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The fairest way to tax people would be a national sales tax.


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Just now, Duck615 said:

He pays more you fucking retard

I am not the mentally deficient one here.

You apparently can't grasp the idea that somebody who makes a billion dollars should pay maybe the same percentage of his income as someone who makes $100,000.

In practice in this country he is supposed to pay more.

You are the cat's paw of the billionaires

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2 minutes ago, slideman said:

Yes the billionaire is paying a much smaller proportion of his income and taxes than the guy who was making $100,000.

Are you stupid

 

Communist Fraud.

 

Do they pay More than people who earn less?

 

Yes, they do.

 

Should they?

 

No, they should not.

 

Ya Marxist fuck.

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Just now, slideman said:

I am not the mentally deficient one here.

You apparently can't grasp the idea that somebody who makes a billion dollars should pay maybe the same percentage of his income as someone who makes $100,000.

In practice in this country he is supposed to pay more.

You are the cat's paw of the billionaires

People are people, Why would a poor person spend more than a rich person.  

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Just now, Blue Devil said:

 

Communist Fraud.

 

Do they pay More than people who earn less?

 

Yes, they do.

 

Should they?

 

No, they should not.

 

Ya Marxist fuck.

You are the tool of the billionaires little man.

There's more in the world than you have in your concept of reality.

You are a mere tool

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1 minute ago, slideman said:

Yes the billionaire is paying a much smaller proportion of his income and taxes than the guy who was making $100,000.

Are you stupid

 

You are obviously hung up on "percentage of income".  You are overlooking that they don't pay the same percentages NOW because they have different types of income...taxed at different rates and under different conditions.  Hell, some income is not even taxed.

 

A consumption tax captures almost all types of income.  Currently, people paid in cash report a small percentage of it as income...and some report none of it as income.  Income from illegal activities isn't taxed.  Income from visitors (tourist) isn't taxed in the US.

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4 minutes ago, slideman said:

I am not the mentally deficient one here.

You apparently can't grasp the idea that somebody who makes a billion dollars should pay maybe the same percentage of his income as someone who makes $100,000.

In practice in this country he is supposed to pay more.

You are the cat's paw of the billionaires

Just to play devils advocate here:   what value does the money that a billionaire have until he spends it?   

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Just now, slideman said:

You are the tool of the billionaires little man.

There's more in the world than you have in your concept of reality.

You are a mere tool

 

You are an Entitlement Marxist fuck, Comrade.

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36 minutes ago, slideman said:

They spend a smaller proportion of their income on consumer goods by far.

Sales tax is regressive and unfair

 

I am pretty sure that the majority of wealthy people have bigger houses, more and more expensive cars, private schools, yachts, clothing, artworks, etc. 

 

If they didn't flaunt it and use it to buy the shit everyone wants, there would be no point to being rich. 

 

The poor would get far more back than they put in if the revenue funded their health care or university or basic necessities.

 

I have no idea how we have right wingers supporting it and left wingers opposed... but here we are.

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3 minutes ago, Wallco1 said:

The poor use more services than the rich.  

 

Reforming Maine's Welfare System

  • Reduced Food Stamp and MaineCare enrollment by over 20% each by tightening eligibility requirements. Maine's Medicaid enrollment in 2010 was No. 2 in the nation per capita; by 2015, it was reduced to the national average.
  • Reinstated work requirements for able-bodied, childless adults on Food Stamps, reducing welfare dependency by over 80%. They must now work 20 hours per week, volunteer or pursue job training to receive benefits.
  • Implemented an "asset test" for welfare, prohibiting those with boats, RVs, ATVs, jet skis, or other non-essential assets worth over $5,000 from receiving benefits.
  • Limited on the number of replacement EBT cards that may be issued, preventing the trafficking of EBT cards for drugs. 
  • Strengthened DHHS's welfare fraud unit, increasing its investigation referrals to prosecutors by ten-fold.
  • Removed Maine's status as a "Sanctuary State."
  • Banned the purchase of tobacco, alcohol, lottery tickets, bail and tattoos with TANF cash.
  • Placed a five-year limit on cash welfare benefits, resulting in almost a 64% reduction in cases. 
  • Brought accountability to the welfare system by requiring drug testing for welfare recipients convicted of drug crimes.
  • Alleviated fraud and discouraged the trading of EBT cards for illegal drugs by putting photo ID on EBT cards.

 

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17 minutes ago, slideman said:

I am not the mentally deficient one here.

You apparently can't grasp the idea that somebody who makes a billion dollars should pay maybe the same percentage of his income as someone who makes $100,000.

In practice in this country he is supposed to pay more.

You are the cat's paw of the billionaires

So do the math.. he is paying more

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2 minutes ago, Duck615 said:

10% of 100,000 = 

10% of 1,000,000 =

10% of 10,000,000 =

SEE WHERE I AM GOING WITH THIS ASSHOLE?

 

I like this even better:

 

$5,000 per Adult of Working Age (AWA)
A Fair Tax That Actually Is!


It's as Simple as This:

Population of the United States between the ages of 18 and 65 (Adults of Working Age)?

~ 200,000,000. (Two-Hundred-Million AWA )

Annual Budget of the United States?

~ $1,000,000,000,000. (One-Trillion Dollars)

$1,000,000,000,000/200,000,000 AWA = $10,000/2 AWA or $5,000/AWA.

Now THAT sounds Fair!

Everybody:
- Uses.
- Pays.
- Has skin in the game.

Be interesting to see how fast those Democrat National Socialists shrink the Government when it starts coming out of their own pocket.

 

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1 minute ago, Blue Devil said:

 

I like this even better:

 

$5,000 per Adult of Working Age (AWA)
A Fair Tax That Actually Is!


It's as Simple as This:

Population of the United States between the ages of 18 and 65 (Adults of Working Age)?

~ 200,000,000. (Two-Hundred-Million AWA )

Annual Budget of the United States?

~ $1,000,000,000,000. (One-Trillion Dollars)

$1,000,000,000,000/200,000,000 AWA = $10,000/2 AWA or $5,000/AWA.

Now THAT sounds Fair!

Everybody:
- Uses.
- Pays.
- Has skin in the game.

Be interesting to see how fast those Democrat National Socialists shrink the Government when it starts coming out of their own pocket.

 

Libs don't understand simple math

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1 minute ago, Blue Devil said:

 

I like this even better:

 

$5,000 per Adult of Working Age (AWA)
A Fair Tax That Actually Is!


It's as Simple as This:

Population of the United States between the ages of 18 and 65 (Adults of Working Age)?

~ 200,000,000. (Two-Hundred-Million AWA )

Annual Budget of the United States?

~ $1,000,000,000,000. (One-Trillion Dollars)

$1,000,000,000,000/200,000,000 AWA = $10,000/2 AWA or $5,000/AWA.

Now THAT sounds Fair!

Everybody:
- Uses.
- Pays.
- Has skin in the game.

Be interesting to see how fast those Democrat National Socialists shrink the Government when it starts coming out of their own pocket.

 

I probably paid more in taxes in my life than you have made.

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Just now, slideman said:

I probably paid more in taxes in my life than you have made.

 

And you would be wrong, as usual.

 

... this time by several decimal points.

 

... ya Marxist fuck.

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Just now, Blue Devil said:

 

I like this even better:

 

$5,000 per Adult of Working Age (AWA)
A Fair Tax That Actually Is!


It's as Simple as This:

Population of the United States between the ages of 18 and 65 (Adults of Working Age)?

~ 200,000,000. (Two-Hundred-Million AWA )

Annual Budget of the United States?

~ $1,000,000,000,000. (One-Trillion Dollars)

$1,000,000,000,000/200,000,000 AWA = $10,000/2 AWA or $5,000/AWA.

Now THAT sounds Fair!

Everybody:
- Uses.
- Pays.
- Has skin in the game.

Be interesting to see how fast those Democrat National Socialists shrink the Government when it starts coming out of their own pocket.

 

I'm ok with the idea, But a guy who makes 40 k a year paying 5000 compared to a guy who makes a million. 

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9 minutes ago, slideman said:

I probably paid more in taxes in my life than you have made.

 

I know,

 

Why don't you ask the FBI to get a copy of my tax returns, as well as my payroll and balance sheets, when you send they to kick down my door?

 

Ha!

 

... You Stasi fuck.

 

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7 minutes ago, Wallco1 said:

I'm ok with the idea, But a guy who makes 40 k a year paying 5000 compared to a guy who makes a million. 

 

What Government Services or funded products do wealthy people use more than poor people?

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Actually, Slideman, is correct. The more one earns, the smaller percentage is attributed to consumption spending. What is consumption spending? It is purchasing of goods such as food, cars, clothes, etc. that are physical and not purchased SOLELY for purposes of growing in value (stocks, bonds, collectors items). One person can only consume so much. Whether one is rich or poor, our capacity for consumption is about the same. 

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1 hour ago, Wallco1 said:

I don't know the exact percentage, but the more you buy the more tax you pay. Rich people buy more and expensive items than poor people so they would pay more. No deductions, no loopholes. People cannot work under the table. 

ONLY if included with a repeal of the 16th amendment.

 

The "Fair Tax" as it has been called is IMO the best idea for taxation in this country.

 

There are ways to deal with not taxing the first $20k, $30k whatever the number to minimize the effect on the spending of essentials for low income.

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Just now, impartialobserver said:

Whether one is rich or poor, our capacity for consumption is about the same.

How so? If I but single pickup truck for $50k and a rich person buys 3 or 4 more expensive cars they would pay a great deal more tax.

 

This is but one example, this could be applied across the board on many other areas.

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Just now, superds77 said:

How so? If I but single pickup truck for $50k and a rich person buys 3 or 4 more expensive cars they would pay a great deal more tax.

 

This is but one example, this could be applied across the board on many other areas.

You are quantifying this by dollar amount which is disingenuous. Of course, the rich person is going to spend more. 1 new BMW is worth as much as 5,6,7 used junker cars. 

 

Ask yourself, does a rich person ate more food in absolute amount (not the amount paid for it) than a poor person? 

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