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There are THREE THINGS that must never be operated for a profit:

(1) health care

(2) prisons

(3) Education.

 

These correspond exactly to

(1)  Life

(2) Liberty

(3) The Pursuit of Happiness.

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8 minutes ago, crazyhole said:

So doctors, cops, and teachers shouldn't get paid?

Of course they should be paid.

But hospitals, prisons and schools should not be run to earn a profit.

Salaries are not profits.

A profit is a return on an investment to be paid to investors.

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1 minute ago, XavierOnassis said:

Of course they should be paid.

But hospitals, prisons and schools should not be run to earn a profit.

Salaries are not profits.

A profit is a return on an investment to be paid to investors.

So if you need to expand a hospital, how should it be funded?

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1 minute ago, crazyhole said:

Should the bonds pay interest?

All bonds pay interest. And the taxpayers do as well.

Money in the present is more valuable than money in the future, even if inflation is not present. That is the nature of money.

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Just now, XavierOnassis said:

All bonds pay interest. And the taxpayers do as well.

Money in the present is more valuable than money in the future, even if inflation is not present. That is the nature of money.

So.....profit.   

 

 

If a doctor came to me and wanted me to invest in an Urgent Care clinic so they could put up a building and buy equipment, can I charge him interest?     

 

If I develop a new medical tech device that saves lives, should I be allowed to sell it at a profit?

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1 minute ago, crazyhole said:

So.....profit.   

 

 

If a doctor came to me and wanted me to invest in an Urgent Care clinic so they could put up a building and buy equipment, can I charge him interest?     

 

If I develop a new medical tech device that saves lives, should I be allowed to sell it at a profit?

We should fund the inventions and new drugs with a public institute that pays innovators to develop such things, and pay them a bonus for useful discoveries.

There are really no unsettled problems with socialized medicine. It exists in dozens of countries. And in many countries, people live longer than they do in the US. 

But there should be no for-profit drug or equipment makers.  Costa Ricans live longer than Americans.

 

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2 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

We should fund the inventions and new drugs with a public institute that pays innovators to develop such things, and pay them a bonus for useful discoveries.

There are really no unsettled problems with socialized medicine. It exists in dozens of countries. And in many countries, people live longer than they do in the US. 

But there should be no for-profit drug or equipment makers.  Costa Ricans live longer than Americans.

 

I doubt they live longer because of their health care. They live a different life style. American diet sucks. Everyone is fat.

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1 minute ago, XavierOnassis said:

We should fund the inventions and new drugs with a public institute that pays innovators to develop such things, and pay them a bonus for useful discoveries.

There are really no unsettled problems with socialized medicine. It exists in dozens of countries. And in many countries, people live longer than they do in the US. 

But there should be no for-profit drug or equipment makers.  Costa Ricans live longer than Americans.

 

A bonus?     Like a profit?   

 

 

Maybe it would be easier if you just said who wouldn't be making money in your system that currently is.  Because so far, you've said that everyone involved in Healthcare should be making money, and have even endorsed making more for better performance.  

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47 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

There are THREE THINGS that must never be operated for a profit:

(1) health care

(2) prisons

(3) Education.

 

These correspond exactly to

(1)  Life

(2) Liberty

(3) The Pursuit of Happiness.

 

They are Business opportunities, Comrade.

 

IF Communists and the Federal Government would stay out of Education, Communities would have no trouble w/ public school.

 

IF Communists and Democrat National Socialists would stay out of the courts, our prisons would be small and unprofitable, and Cemeteries would be the profit centers.

 

IF Communists and the Federal Government stayed out of Health Care, and Providers were able to contract across State Lines like any other business. And if Point of Service charges were instituted, Health Care would be no more expensive for Americans that Automobile ownership.

 

So, Comrade... it is exactly YOU, and your Communist Federal Government, that is screwing things up.

 

...and you are whining about.

 

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30 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

A profit is a return on an investment to be paid to investors.

 

Not always.  Non profits use their profits to create endowment funds for "mission" growth/expansion, to mitigate insurance needs, set-up operational endowments to cover periods with gifts and fund-raising results are down, etc.

 

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1 minute ago, crazyhole said:

A bonus?     Like a profit?   

 

 

Maybe it would be easier if you just said who wouldn't be making money in your system that currently is.  Because so far, you've said that everyone involved in Healthcare should be making money, and have even endorsed making more for better performance.  

No, a bonus is a one shot affair.  Invent a useful device, you get paid  $X. You can choose to receive the bonus all at once or over the years, for tax purposes.

A profit is that every time a device is sold, you and your estate gets paid a share forever. or until a patent runs out. I say the inventor gets paid ONCE and the device or drug passes intro the public domain for use by all.

 

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1 minute ago, XavierOnassis said:

No, a bonus is a one shot affair.  Invent a useful device, you get paid  $X. You can choose to receive the bonus all at once or over the years, for tax purposes.

A profit is that every time a device is sold, you and your estate gets paid a share forever. or until a patent runs out. I say the inventor gets paid ONCE and the device or drug passes intro the public domain for use by all.

 

So you want to do away with patents?     How will you determine what the bonus should be?   And again, who is making money now that won't be making money under your system?

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6 minutes ago, crazyhole said:

A bonus?     Like a profit?   

 

 

Maybe it would be easier if you just said who wouldn't be making money in your system that currently is.  Because so far, you've said that everyone involved in Healthcare should be making money, and have even endorsed making more for better performance.  

This is not meant to be a challenge for you to practice your wise assery on.

 

The basic principle of medicine should be to make the sick well and to keep everyone well... NOT to make money, like the asshole Sackler Family/.

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3 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

I say the inventor gets paid ONCE and the device or drug passes intro the public domain for use by all.

 

Then that one time payment better be HUGE...like high 9 figures...or you just took the incentive out of future R&D.

 

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5 minutes ago, crazyhole said:

Who is currently making money in education that shouldn't be?

The for profit schools like the University of Phoenix. There are hundreds of them, They are required to state that they are for-profit institutions. I do not need to name them. Many private academies and schools for younger children also exist.

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1 minute ago, XavierOnassis said:

The for profit schools like the University of Phoenix. There are hundreds of them, They are required to state that they are for-profit institutions. I do not need to name them. Many private academies and schools for younger children also exist.

Would they be ok in your opinion if the government and tax dollars were paying the bills instead of the students?

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