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I know that to some, following the constitution is a quaint notion. You know, "rule of law" and stuff like that. Some frankly do not care about that whatsoever.

 

I am praying that this bill fails.  They better get reading fast, 2700 pages! Schumer promising a final vote in days. What a bad joke on the American people. This is wrong.

 

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2021/08/01/us-senate-one-trillion-dollar-infrastructure-bill/5450382001/

 

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Washington — After much delay, senators unveiled a nearly $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure package Sunday night, wrapping up days of painstaking work on the inches-thick bill and launching what is certain to be a lengthy debate over President Joe Biden’s big priority. 

The Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act clocked in at some 2,700 pages, and senators could begin amending it soon. Despite the hurry-up-and-wait during a rare weekend session, the final product was not intended to stray from the broad outline senators had negotiated for weeks with the White House.

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said a final vote could be held “in a matter of days.”"

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6 minutes ago, superds77 said:

I know that to some, following the constitution is a quaint notion. You know, "rule of law" and stuff like that. Some frankly do not care about that whatsoever.

 

I am praying that this bill fails.  They better get reading fast, 2700 pages! Schumer promising a final vote in days. What a bad joke on the American people. This is wrong.

 

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2021/08/01/us-senate-one-trillion-dollar-infrastructure-bill/5450382001/

 

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Washington — After much delay, senators unveiled a nearly $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure package Sunday night, wrapping up days of painstaking work on the inches-thick bill and launching what is certain to be a lengthy debate over President Joe Biden’s big priority. 

The Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act clocked in at some 2,700 pages, and senators could begin amending it soon. Despite the hurry-up-and-wait during a rare weekend session, the final product was not intended to stray from the broad outline senators had negotiated for weeks with the White House.

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said a final vote could be held “in a matter of days.”"

 

Never expect Democrat National Socialists and Communists to follow the Constitution.

 

Democrat National Socialists - rule by Fiat.

 

Communists - rule by Politburo.

 

America - defends itself and the Constitution from both at the voting booth.

 

And when that fails, the Second Amendment.

 

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2 minutes ago, Blue Devil said:

Never expect Democrat National Socialists and Communists to follow the Constitution.

 

Democrat National Socialists - rule by Fiat.

 

Communists - rule by Politburo.

 

America - defends itself and the Constitution from both at the voting booth.

 

And when that fails, the Second Amendment.

Yup. Many on this site readily admit their preference for "rule of man" as opposed to "rule of law".

 

The tell us "the constitution is outdated..." blah, blah, blah. Nothing new under the sun.

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1 minute ago, superds77 said:

Yup. Many on this site readily admit their preference for "rule of man" as opposed to "rule of law".

 

The tell us "the constitution is outdated..." blah, blah, blah. Nothing new under the sun.

 

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31 minutes ago, superds77 said:

I know that to some, following the constitution is a quaint notion. You know, "rule of law" and stuff like that. Some frankly do not care about that whatsoever.

 

I am praying that this bill fails.  They better get reading fast, 2700 pages! Schumer promising a final vote in days. What a bad joke on the American people. This is wrong.

 

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2021/08/01/us-senate-one-trillion-dollar-infrastructure-bill/5450382001/

 

"

Washington — After much delay, senators unveiled a nearly $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure package Sunday night, wrapping up days of painstaking work on the inches-thick bill and launching what is certain to be a lengthy debate over President Joe Biden’s big priority. 

The Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act clocked in at some 2,700 pages, and senators could begin amending it soon. Despite the hurry-up-and-wait during a rare weekend session, the final product was not intended to stray from the broad outline senators had negotiated for weeks with the White House.

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said a final vote could be held “in a matter of days.”"

 

The way they usually get around this is to take a piece of legislation from the House and amend the shit out of it, to the point it bears little (if any) resemblance to the original bill.

 

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32 minutes ago, Blue Devil said:

 

Never expect Democrat National Socialists and Communists to follow the Constitution.

 

Democrat National Socialists - rule by Fiat.

 

Communists - rule by Politburo.

 

America - defends itself and the Constitution from both at the voting booth.

 

And when that fails, the Second Amendment.

 

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Except the Thomas Paine didn't say that you ignorant f***

The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government." This is from Edward Abbey in A Voice Crying in the Wilderness, pg.19. And the actual quote is “A patriot must be ready to defend his country from his government.†The version presented here is the one used on the Internet.

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42 minutes ago, superds77 said:

I know that to some, following the constitution is a quaint notion. You know, "rule of law" and stuff like that. Some frankly do not care about that whatsoever.

 

I am praying that this bill fails.  They better get reading fast, 2700 pages! Schumer promising a final vote in days. What a bad joke on the American people. This is wrong.

 

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2021/08/01/us-senate-one-trillion-dollar-infrastructure-bill/5450382001/

 

"

Washington — After much delay, senators unveiled a nearly $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure package Sunday night, wrapping up days of painstaking work on the inches-thick bill and launching what is certain to be a lengthy debate over President Joe Biden’s big priority. 

The Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act clocked in at some 2,700 pages, and senators could begin amending it soon. Despite the hurry-up-and-wait during a rare weekend session, the final product was not intended to stray from the broad outline senators had negotiated for weeks with the White House.

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said a final vote could be held “in a matter of days.”"

 

Rules? Dems dont need no stinking rules!

 

 

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4 minutes ago, slideman said:

Except the Thomas Paine didn't say that you ignorant f***

The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government." This is from Edward Abbey in A Voice Crying in the Wilderness, pg.19. And the actual quote is “A patriot must be ready to defend his country from his government.†The version presented here is the one used on the Internet.

 

I said it, too, Comrade.

(but didn't have a meme)

 

You are truly a Wing'ed Monkey.

 

Ha!

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Not really. Article one section seven says “All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.”

 

…but says nothing about where SPENDING bills come from. 

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3 minutes ago, theLion said:

Not really. Article one section seven says “All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.”

 

…but says nothing about where SPENDING bills come from. 

 

Of course that is true.

 

Although, I think some revenue might be needed for a $1 trillion + bill, when we already have a significant budget deficit. They usually try and convince us that these MASSIVE spending bills are "paid for" by some changes in tax code etc.

 

 

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21 minutes ago, BatteryPowered said:

 

The way they usually get around this is to take a piece of legislation from the House and amend the shit out of it, to the point it bears little (if any) resemblance to the original bill.

 

Yes, that is a typical tactic. Not sure if that is what has happened here though.

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Just now, crazyhole said:

Regardless of the number of dollars, a 2700 page bill is ridiculous.   

As a well known democrat once said "We have to pass the bill to see what is in it."

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2 hours ago, superds77 said:

I know that to some, following the constitution is a quaint notion. You know, "rule of law" and stuff like that. Some frankly do not care about that whatsoever.

 

The bill has bipartisan support. What do you even mean by 'rule of law'?

 

Why do you always seem to claim that everything you don't like is somehow illegal?

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1 hour ago, Toldya said:

The bill has bipartisan support. What do you even mean by 'rule of law'?

If there was "bipartisan support" for the government to censor speech, would that make it legal? If not, why?

 

The phrase "rule of law" means exactly what it says. It is the opposite of the "rule of men".

 

Encyclopedia Britannica gives a good comprehensive definition for your edification:

 

https://www.britannica.com/topic/rule-of-law

 

"Rule of law, the mechanism, process, institution, practice, or norm that supports the equality of all citizens before the law, secures a nonarbitrary form of government, and more generally prevents the arbitrary use of power. Arbitrariness is typical of various forms of despotism, absolutism, authoritarianism, and totalitarianism. Despotic governments include even highly institutionalized forms of rule in which the entity at the apex of the power structure (such as a king, a junta, or a party committee) is capable of acting without the constraint of law when it wishes to do so."

 

So do you agree with the notion of "rule of law"? Surprised you were unaware of such a concept.

 

1 hour ago, Toldya said:

Why do you always seem to claim that everything you don't like is somehow illegal?

Because the first test of any action by the federal government is (or at least SHOULD BE) "Is this action constitutional?"

 

Do you agree?

 

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2 hours ago, superds77 said:

If there was "bipartisan support" for the government to censor speech, would that make it legal? If not, why?

 

I just don't know why you think infrastructure is unconstitutional. It seems like you use that word to describe literally everything the Democrats do, mostly because you want to make it seem like it's illegitimate. 

 

I gotta ask... do you seriously not think they might know more about it than you do? Because I kinda think they do.

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8 hours ago, superds77 said:

I know that to some, following the constitution is a quaint notion. You know, "rule of law" and stuff like that. Some frankly do not care about that whatsoever.

 

I am praying that this bill fails.  They better get reading fast, 2700 pages! Schumer promising a final vote in days. What a bad joke on the American people. This is wrong.

 

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2021/08/01/us-senate-one-trillion-dollar-infrastructure-bill/5450382001/

 

"

Washington — After much delay, senators unveiled a nearly $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure package Sunday night, wrapping up days of painstaking work on the inches-thick bill and launching what is certain to be a lengthy debate over President Joe Biden’s big priority. 

The Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act clocked in at some 2,700 pages, and senators could begin amending it soon. Despite the hurry-up-and-wait during a rare weekend session, the final product was not intended to stray from the broad outline senators had negotiated for weeks with the White House.

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said a final vote could be held “in a matter of days.”"

They probably stripped out all the language of another bill and replaced it.

 

Like they did with the ACA. They stripped all the language out of a house bill that had already passed. A house bill that had nothing about levying taxes or Healthcare in it at all.

 

Somehow, there is nothing wrong with that.

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8 hours ago, superds77 said:

I know that to some, following the constitution is a quaint notion. You know, "rule of law" and stuff like that. Some frankly do not care about that whatsoever.

 

I am praying that this bill fails.  They better get reading fast, 2700 pages! Schumer promising a final vote in days. What a bad joke on the American people. This is wrong.

 

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2021/08/01/us-senate-one-trillion-dollar-infrastructure-bill/5450382001/

 

"

Washington — After much delay, senators unveiled a nearly $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure package Sunday night, wrapping up days of painstaking work on the inches-thick bill and launching what is certain to be a lengthy debate over President Joe Biden’s big priority. 

The Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act clocked in at some 2,700 pages, and senators could begin amending it soon. Despite the hurry-up-and-wait during a rare weekend session, the final product was not intended to stray from the broad outline senators had negotiated for weeks with the White House.

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said a final vote could be held “in a matter of days.”"

How do you know the Senate bill did not originate in the House?  

The HOuse has voted on it.  The Senate amended that version when it came over.

And now they must 'Reconcile" their differences.   And then both chambers revote

if the previous version they voted on changed in Reconcilation.  If approved by 

both chambers, the President gets it.  

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14 hours ago, Toldya said:

I just don't know why you think infrastructure is unconstitutional. It seems like you use that word to describe literally everything the Democrats do, mostly because you want to make it seem like it's illegitimate. 

 

Well, nearly all of what the democrats do, and much of what the republicans do and go along with, frankly, is unconstitutional. You know how I know that? I can read.

 

Back to the specifics of this thread...

 

First of all, what constitutes "infrastructure" to some  is not the same as others. As we have seen with the typical democrat semantic arguments like "HUMAN infrastructure" etc. Point being, not all infrastructure is necessarily unconstitutional. Much of what is being proposed most likely is, but alas, the devil is in the details. 2700 pages of those details. Most of which has not been read by most of the people voting, unfortunately.

 

14 hours ago, Toldya said:

I gotta ask... do you seriously not think they might know more about it than you do? Because I kinda think they do.

Some of them, yes of course. Some of them, absolutely not. Being elected does not make one "expert". AOC being a prime example of ignorance gone to seed.

 

My initial point was a process argument, just exposing how twisted it really is.

 

16 hours ago, superds77 said:
18 hours ago, Toldya said:

Why do you always seem to claim that everything you don't like is somehow illegal?

Because the first test of any action by the federal government is (or at least SHOULD BE) "Is this action constitutional?"

 

Do you agree?

Do you agree with the above?

 

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21 hours ago, superds77 said:

I know that to some, following the constitution is a quaint notion. You know, "rule of law" and stuff like that. Some frankly do not care about that whatsoever.

 

I am praying that this bill fails.  They better get reading fast, 2700 pages! Schumer promising a final vote in days. What a bad joke on the American people. This is wrong.

 

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2021/08/01/us-senate-one-trillion-dollar-infrastructure-bill/5450382001/

 

"

Washington — After much delay, senators unveiled a nearly $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure package Sunday night, wrapping up days of painstaking work on the inches-thick bill and launching what is certain to be a lengthy debate over President Joe Biden’s big priority. 

The Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act clocked in at some 2,700 pages, and senators could begin amending it soon. Despite the hurry-up-and-wait during a rare weekend session, the final product was not intended to stray from the broad outline senators had negotiated for weeks with the White House.

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said a final vote could be held “in a matter of days.”"

 

It WAS originated in the House.

 

This is a total "rework" of the House passed version and is basically "amendments" to that Bill.

 

 

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1 minute ago, MidnightMax said:

 

It WAS originated in the House.

 

This is a total "rework" of the House passed version and is basically "amendments" to that Bill.

 

 

Thanks, yeah I saw that. They are staying within the letter, certainly not the spirit, of the constitutional strictures.

 

Nothing new under the sun.

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