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12 minutes ago, jerra- said:

  

 

and you are eager to overlook the 500 million dollar loan to trump and trump's announcement after that.

 

Note there is no link to prove this statement nor does it say the Trump family directly benefits from the loan other than possibly being shareholders.

 

the Chinese government also agreed to loan $500 million to a project in Indonesia in which the Trump Organization is a partner.

 

Prove that statement if you can.

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That is stupid, they are smallfry compared to Gates, Bezos, Zuckerberg.

Retard.

We have established on another thread Taipan is a sucker

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8 minutes ago, FredH said:

So 500 million is worse than 1.5 billion that included a breach of national security? Like I said you will need more than your sketchy links to prove your hypothesis. So about that 1.5 billion in trade for not causing the Chinese any grief over the islands and then military bases the Chinese built in the middle of a critical trade route?

 

1. shokin was corrupt

 

2. shokin was not investigating burisma at the time of the grant in question.

 

3. hunter was never investigated by shokin.

 

4. trump lied as usual.

 

 

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16 minutes ago, FredH said:

Note there is no link to prove this statement nor does it say the Trump family directly benefits from the loan other than possibly being shareholders.

 

the Chinese government also agreed to loan $500 million to a project in Indonesia in which the Trump Organization is a partner.

 

Prove that statement if you can.

 

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https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/yep-that-500-m-from-china-to-trump-project-looks-like-a-pretty-big-deal

 

 

You probably saw the news yesterday that just days before President Trump tweeted that he was intent on saving that sanctions-busting Chinese telecommunications company, China had agreed to loan $500 million to a major Trump-backed development in Indonesia. These kinds of situations are now basically commonplace in the Trump Era. But it is important to look at them from a macro- and a micro-perspective. The details are quite complex in the latter case. We are still digging into them. But I wanted to give you a first sense of what we’re finding, because they make Trump’s connection to the operation and potential profits look considerably tighter than what I’d been led to expect yesterday from early reports.

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1 hour ago, FredH said:

Note there is no link to prove this statement nor does it say the Trump family directly benefits from the loan other than possibly being shareholders.

 

the Chinese government also agreed to loan $500 million to a project in Indonesia in which the Trump Organization is a partner.

 

Prove that statement if you can.

 

 

 

and in case you were wondering still.....

 

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2019/06/trump-foreign-business-interests/

 

 

The Trump Organization pledged to contribute all profits from foreign governments to the U.S. Treasury. In February, the company announced it had contributed $191,538 in foreign profits to the U.S. Treasury. Details of how that number is calculated have been kept under wraps and the comparably small sum donated to the Treasury raise questions about what is and isn’t included in that number. For example, Saudi Arabia’s government alone spent more at Trump International Hotel in the four months after Trump won the presidency than the entire Trump Organization donated to cover foreign profits either year.

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1 minute ago, FredH said:

So you are ignoring the Biden China 1.5 billion? Crickets....... Another sketchy leftist site! Still what is the problem with the Trump families legitimate businesses, he is after all an international business man?

 

 

read my above post.

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3 minutes ago, FredH said:

So you are ignoring the Biden China 1.5 billion? Crickets....... Another sketchy leftist site! Still what is the problem with the Trump families legitimate businesses, he is after all an international business man?

The problem is he's president of the United States he was supposed to put his stuff in a blind trust so that there were no conflicts of interest he refused to do so and turned his business over to his kids where he kept his hand in.

Can you say corruption?

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10 minutes ago, FredH said:

Shouldn't bother, try looking for some Biden or Clinton "open secrets".

 

 

 

 

The Center for Responsive Politics is a non-profit, nonpartisan research group based in Washington, D.C., that tracks the effects of money and lobbying on elections and public policy. It maintains a public online database of its information

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1 hour ago, jerra- said:

 

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https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/yep-that-500-m-from-china-to-trump-project-looks-like-a-pretty-big-deal

 

 

You probably saw the news yesterday that just days before President Trump tweeted that he was intent on saving that sanctions-busting Chinese telecommunications company, China had agreed to loan $500 million to a major Trump-backed development in Indonesia. These kinds of situations are now basically commonplace in the Trump Era. But it is important to look at them from a macro- and a micro-perspective. The details are quite complex in the latter case. We are still digging into them. But I wanted to give you a first sense of what we’re finding, because they make Trump’s connection to the operation and potential profits look considerably tighter than what I’d been led to expect yesterday from early reports.

So about that 500 million? Trump is a developer or one of and it does not say the loan went to him does it?

 

First some basic details. The mega project is something called the Lido City development about an hour outside of Jakarta. It’s like a mini-luxury city set on 3,000 hectares, which is just over 7,400 acres. Trump has a hotel there and a golf course and various other facilities. There’s also an amusement park planned on the grounds. That’s going to be built by a subsidiary of a Chinese state-owned company called Metallurgical Corporation of China (MCC). They appear to be essentially bringing with them $500 million in Chinese-government backed loans for the development of the amusement park. Makes sense: they’re both parts of the Chinese government. That’s the commitment that came just before Trump’s tweet and which has gotten all the attention.

 

To be clear, these are phrases. We don’t know what the underlying contractual connections are or what the value of these various relationships and management contracts are. If experience is any guide, Trump tends to keep his investments limited and relies on the Trump brand to leverage upsides and revenues from management and licensing. But the press references to this project being “connected to” Trump seem to significantly understate the relationship.

 

TMC is another sketchy "Blog" which means opinion site/conspiracy theory.

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2 minutes ago, FredH said:

Well that says it all! Not a word about that 1.5 billion, interesting. Or even a whisper about Biden's Ukraine scandal where he blackmailed Ukraine to get rid of a prosecutor with a billion of our tax dollars. He even admitted it on video.

They got rid of a prosecutor who was completely corrupt.

They hounded our ambassador out of office as she was against corruption.

Get a grip on reality

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8 minutes ago, slideman said:

The problem is he's president of the United States he was supposed to put his stuff in a blind trust so that there were no conflicts of interest he refused to do so and turned his business over to his kids where he kept his hand in.

Can you say corruption?

 

 

yes!

 

he used presidential authority as leverage.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, slideman said:

The problem is he's president of the United States he was supposed to put his stuff in a blind trust so that there were no conflicts of interest he refused to do so and turned his business over to his kids where he kept his hand in.

Can you say corruption?

OK fine the little things Trump may have done are nothing compared to the scams the Biden family is in right now! By the way it is nice of you to refer to Trump as the president of the US, appreciate that.  How about the Biden hedge fund given 1.5 billion from China? Why is this OK? Just because he is a leftist POS?

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Just now, FredH said:

OK fine the little things Trump may have done are nothing compared to the scams the Biden family is in right now! By the way it is nice of you to refer to Trump as the president of the US, appreciate that.  How about the Biden hedge fund given 1.5 billion from China? Why is this OK? Just because he is a leftist POS?

Biden's son served on the board of that company he did not pocket 1.5 billion that is a conservative lie.

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2 minutes ago, FredH said:

Well that says it all! Not a word about that 1.5 billion, interesting. Or even a whisper about Biden's Ukraine scandal where he blackmailed Ukraine to get rid of a prosecutor with a billion of our tax dollars. He even admitted it on video.

 

 

he didn't blackmail anyone. he withheld money unless ukraine got rid of the corrupt prosecutor.

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1 minute ago, slideman said:

They got rid of a prosecutor who was completely corrupt.

They hounded our ambassador out of office as she was against corruption.

Get a grip on reality

More of your delusional BS. Both lies that you believe because you are a duped and stupid fool. Prove that those two things are true? Even if the first is true is using a billion of our dollars to blackmail a country legal? Especially for personal reasons? Our ambassador? You need to do some real research into her as for corruption. Did you actually watch the first impeachment?

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