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7 hours ago, crazyhole said:

I've wondered this for a while, because supposedly one of the reasons that the Soviet Union collapsed was because of the threat of the US and its capitalist economy.  If communism really is a superior system, how would capitalism be a threat to it?

The ussr collapsed because of its diversity. The various ethnic groups in the ussr did not wish to become russian, but the ussr was pushing russification. 

 

The official end of the ussr happened because their military refused to fire at estonian nationals.

 

The story you were probably TOLD is bullshit. It had nothing to do with the usa at all, in fact.

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9 hours ago, crazyhole said:

I've wondered this for a while, because supposedly one of the reasons that the Soviet Union collapsed was because of the threat of the US and its capitalist economy.  If communism really is a superior system, how would capitalism be a threat to it?

 

True communism has never been achieved.

 

The USSR was a state capitalist society that collapsed when its centralized economy became a burden to maintain and it loosened its grip on its territories and institutions. They were in the process of transitioning to a more decentralized state with more market competition when everything collapsed. What happened then was that the mafia took over and all of the state-owned enterprises ended up in the hands of warlords and oligarchs who now run the country alongside Putin.

 

The USA really didn't play much of a role in it. All Reagan did was re-escalate the nuclear arms race and jeopardize the survival of the human race for no good reason, and continue to fund future terrorists in Afghanistan to give the Soviets their own Vietnam. But the USSR was already on the verge of collapse and it would have happened regardless... sort of like how the US is currently on the same precipice.

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58 minutes ago, crazyhole said:

In a communist system, how does someone go about taking an idea from concept to reality?   They can't get paid for it, they have no ability to develop it, and no ability to market their concept.   

 

Of course they have the ability to develop and at least inform people of their concept. There probably wouldn't be as much 'value added' marketing but if there's demand for something then people will believe in it and want to make it happen.

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18 minutes ago, Toldya said:

 

Of course they have the ability to develop and at least inform people of their concept. There probably wouldn't be as much 'value added' marketing but if there's demand for something then people will believe in it and want to make it happen.

There’s not really any incentive to create nor is there the efficiency profit margin brings to business. 
 

Capitalism has brought the highest standards of living humans have ever enjoyed.

 

Command system economics died with Soviet Russia. 
 

All you support now is an endless welfare state off the back of capitalism.

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7 minutes ago, Str8tEdge said:

There’s not really any incentive to create nor is there the efficiency profit margin brings to business. 
 

Capitalism has brought the highest standards of living humans have ever enjoyed.

 

Command system economics died with Soviet Russia. 
 

All you support now is an endless welfare state off the back of capitalism.

Fascism has resulted in the biggest economic gains and technological advances in the history of mankind.  

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4 minutes ago, crazyhole said:

Fascism has resulted in the biggest economic gains and technological advances in the history of mankind.  

Depends on your definition of fascism. 

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1 hour ago, Str8tEdge said:

You’d have to flesh out the definition. 

It's not terribly hard to understand.   The ideal economic system is a blend of capitalism and fascism.  Of course nobody supports the fascism of the 1930s, but those were bastardized versions of a perfectly legitimate economic theory that really does work.   

 

In essence, the free market dictates the level of production in any industry via demand.   Workers are allowed to unionize or not unionize (based on their preference) to determine the value of the labor that goes into production of any good or service.   When disputes come up between the managers of capital and the laborers on how the profits should be dispersed, a 3rd party entity like the government can mediate negotiations to find the equilibrium between the 2 that is both beneficial to the economy, and to the producers/managers. 

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24 minutes ago, crazyhole said:

It's not terribly hard to understand.   The ideal economic system is a blend of capitalism and fascism.  Of course nobody supports the fascism of the 1930s, but those were bastardized versions of a perfectly legitimate economic theory that really does work.   

 

In essence, the free market dictates the level of production in any industry via demand.   Workers are allowed to unionize or not unionize (based on their preference) to determine the value of the labor that goes into production of any good or service.   When disputes come up between the managers of capital and the laborers on how the profits should be dispersed, a 3rd party entity like the government can mediate negotiations to find the equilibrium between the 2 that is both beneficial to the economy, and to the producers/managers. 

Don't really see any fascism in that model. That's basically a mixed market economy. 

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4 hours ago, Str8tEdge said:

There’s not really any incentive to create nor is there the efficiency profit margin brings to business. 
 

Capitalism has brought the highest standards of living humans have ever enjoyed.

 

Command system economics died with Soviet Russia. 
 

All you support now is an endless welfare state off the back of capitalism.

 

People created things before money existed.

Even today, people still create things without being paid to do so.

The incentive is that you get to create something.

 

And it isn't capitalism that brought the highest standards of living, it's thousands of years of social and intellectual and philosophical and technological development that brought them.

 

And stop fucking telling me what I support.

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1 hour ago, Toldya said:

 

People created things before money existed.

Even today, people still create things without being paid to do so.

The incentive is that you get to create something.

 

And it isn't capitalism that brought the highest standards of living, it's thousands of years of social and intellectual and philosophical and technological development that brought them.

 

And stop fucking telling me what I support.

False. Profit motive brought the highest standards of living with the greatest efficiency. You’re an uneducated twit. 
 

Democratic socialism=entitlement monkeys looking for a free ride off the backs of productive citizens. 

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20 minutes ago, Str8tEdge said:

False. Profit motive brought the highest standards of living with the greatest efficiency. You’re an uneducated twit. 

 

Prove it.

 

20 minutes ago, Str8tEdge said:

Democratic socialism=entitlement monkeys looking for a free ride off the backs of productive citizens.

 

Just repeating shit over and over doesn't make it true, even if your RWNJ media has convinced you otherwise.

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1 minute ago, Toldya said:

 

Prove it.

Sure. take a college level economics course, dummy. 

 

1 minute ago, Toldya said:

 

Just repeating shit over and over doesn't make it true, even if your RWNJ media has convinced you otherwise.

OK. Prove me wrong. Name ONE policy you support that  doesn't take from productive citizens and hand to non-productive citizens?

 

Social democrat is a polite way of stealing other citizens shit you never earned, kid.

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15 hours ago, slideman said:

We on the left are frequently accused of being communists but I don't know any communists. I do believe there is a role for government in healthcare education and the welfare of the people. That is not communism. That is the role of government as delineated by the US Constitution.

 

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2 hours ago, Str8tEdge said:

Sure. take a college level economics course, dummy. 

 

You're an ignorant fuck.

 

Soviet Russia went from a backwards agrarian society to a global superpower in a very short period of time. Within decades the population was educated and they were competitive with the US, and this was AFTER being invaded by the Nazis and losing 27 million citizens in WWII. It wasn't about profit-- it was because they believed they were building a great society.

 

The same thing mostly drives all entrepreneurs-- the money is not the sole reason, and if it wasn't an issue, people would still innovate. If people weren't naturally compelled to innovate, we would still be hanging out in the jungles and scavenging kills left by other animals... and Duck615 would be a typical human instead of a borderline subhuman.

 

2 hours ago, Str8tEdge said:

OK. Prove me wrong. Name ONE policy you support that  doesn't take from productive citizens and hand to non-productive citizens?

 

How wealthy you are has nothing to do with how productive you are.  The rich are not more productive than a janitor or a cop or a teacher or a firefighter. Many are less productive or even destructive. A fucking hedge fund manager or advertising copywriter isn't productive in a way that benefits society. You're not talking about productivity, you're talking about wealth worship.

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11 hours ago, crazyhole said:

In a communist system, how does someone go about taking an idea from concept to reality?   They can't get paid for it, they have no ability to develop it, and no ability to market their concept.   

They certainly did build roads, bridges, railroads, factories and hydroelectric projects successfully. The Soviets sent up the first satellite and many more after that, so obviously they did not need any ad campaign.

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1 minute ago, XavierOnassis said:

They certainly did build roads, bridges, railroads, factories and hydroelectric projects successfully. The Soviets sent up the first satellite and many more after that, so obviously they did not need any ad campaign.

 

First man in space as well.

 

The bottom line is that most nations in the world never rose to the heights that Soviet Russia did, and that includes most capitalist nations. If Communism had been a total failure, then it wouldn't have lasted as long as it did.

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9 hours ago, crazyhole said:

Fascism has resulted in the biggest economic gains and technological advances in the history of mankind.  

That is nonsense. Germany and Italy were better off in 1946 than in 1933?  Get serious!  Fascism put party officials rather than educated specialists in charge of industry.  Otto Schindler was awarded a factory in Poland only because he was a Nazi party member. He was an admirable humanitarian, but not any success as an industrialist.

By 1946, Italy and Germany were pretty much destroyed. Fascism was the reason for this. It was unnecessary for either country to go to war.

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9 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

That is nonsense. Germany and Italy were better off in 1946 than in 1933?  Get serious!  Fascism put party officials rather than educated specialists in charge of industry.  Otto Schindler was awarded a factory in Poland only because he was a Nazi party member. He was an admirable humanitarian, but not any success as an industrialist.

By 1946, Italy and Germany were pretty much destroyed. Fascism was the reason for this. It was unnecessary for either country to go to war.

 

 Socialism was the reason, the idea that your person/persons are God, the creator is not God and your commune group needs to fix everything the right way via (slaver) manipulation and control of the population.

 

The socialist theory is that your person/persons have somehow randomly self generated from a rock soup having the power of all creation right there in the cells of your own person/persons but must now suffer all kinds of expensive mandatory experimental medical help just to survive another day.
 

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Fascism has been the ideology of many countries: Nazi Germany. Fascist Italy, as well as Spain, Portugal, as well as  Taiwan before the 1980's, Indonesia, Thailand and many Muslim nations.

In NONE of these have workers been able to form unions and bargain collectively with employers. Functional trade unionism is NEVER a part of Fascism.

Fascism denies that there is a class struggle between workers and employers.

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2 hours ago, Toldya said:

How wealthy you are has nothing to do with how productive you are.  The rich are not more productive than a janitor or a cop or a teacher or a firefighter. Many are less productive or even destructive. A fucking hedge fund manager or advertising copywriter isn't productive in a way that benefits society. You're not talking about productivity, you're talking about wealth worshi

An important distinction. We spend billions of dollars on advertising. Does it add any value to the economy?

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3 hours ago, XavierOnassis said:

Fascism has been the ideology of many countries: Nazi Germany. Fascist Italy, as well as Spain, Portugal, as well as  Taiwan before the 1980's, Indonesia, Thailand and many Muslim nations.

In NONE of these have workers been able to form unions and bargain collectively with employers. Functional trade unionism is NEVER a part of Fascism.

Fascism denies that there is a class struggle between workers and employers.

Fascism led to Spain being the 2nd fastest growing economy in the world for 25 years and pulled thousands out of poverty.  They went from an agrarian economy to and industrialized nation in record time.   Their auto industry averaged almost 22% growth annually for nearly 30 years, which led to high paying jobs.   

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