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I've wondered this for a while, because supposedly one of the reasons that the Soviet Union collapsed was because of the threat of the US and its capitalist economy.  If communism really is a superior system, how would capitalism be a threat to it?

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We on the left are frequently accused of being communists but I don't know any communists. I do believe there is a role for government in healthcare education and the welfare of the people. That is not communism. That is the role of government as delineated by the US Constitution.

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13 minutes ago, slideman said:

We on the left are frequently accused of being communists but I don't know any communists. I do believe there is a role for government in healthcare education and the welfare of the people. That is not communism. That is the role of government as delineated by the US Constitution.

There is a rise in the number of people that espouse Marxism lately.   Mostly poor people that are jealous of others and want to get something for just existing but it is definitely a growing movement.   

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Just now, crazyhole said:

There is a rise in the number of people that espouse Marxism lately.   Mostly poor people that are jealous of others and want to get something for just existing but it is definitely a growing movement.   

They should reflect on Stalin and Mao

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Capitalism is NOT a governmental system. It is a tool for raising money  from individuals, by limiting the liability of each investor to the amount invested.

NO ONE has used it more effectively that the Communist government of the People's Republic of China. Growth rates of up to 15% annually have been attained.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

Capitalism is NOT a governmental system. It is a tool for raising money  from individuals, by limiting the liability of each investor to the amount invested.

NO ONE has used it more effectively that the Communist government of the People's Republic of China. Growth rates of up to 15% annually have been attained.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So you agree that capitalism is superior to communism and socialism.  Weird how that works, isn't it?   Capitalism knows exactly how many hotdogs to produce, and communism just makes hotdogs until there's no use for them then kills the people that make the hotdogs.   

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5 hours ago, crazyhole said:

I've wondered this for a while, because supposedly one of the reasons that the Soviet Union collapsed was because of the threat of the US and its capitalist economy.  If communism really is a superior system, how would capitalism be a threat to it?

Communism failed because command systems are very inefficient economies. 
 

 

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7 minutes ago, crazyhole said:

So you agree that capitalism is superior to communism and socialism.  Weird how that works, isn't it?   Capitalism knows exactly how many hotdogs to produce, and communism just makes hotdogs until there's no use for them then kills the people that make the hotdogs.   

 No. it is superior to ownership by one individual or ownership by state-owned mercantile companies like the British East India Company or the Hudson's Bay Company for the purpose of amassing capital and establishing a  business enterprise. It is NOT superior to Democratic Socialism in providing roads, potable water, mail delivery to every citizen.

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2 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

 No. it is superior to ownership by one individual or ownership by state-owned mercantile companies like the British East India Company or the Hudson's Bay Company for the purpose of amassing capital and establishing a  business enterprise. It is NOT superior to Democratic Socialism in providing roads, potable water, mail delivery to every citizen.

That’s not the definition of Democratic socialism. 

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2 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

 No. it is superior to ownership by one individual or ownership by state-owned mercantile companies like the British East India Company or the Hudson's Bay Company for the purpose of amassing capital and establishing a  business enterprise. It is NOT superior to Democratic Socialism in providing roads, potable water, mail delivery to every citizen.

Huh.   So we were actually democratic socialists back in the early 1800s when the post office was established, in the late 1800s when water works systems were laid in place, and in the 1900s when the majority of roads and highways in the US were created? 

 

At some point you ideologues are going to have to stop co-opting the accomplishments of capitalism and the free market by claiming that they are attributable to (x) socialism.   It's embarrassing that you even try.   

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1 minute ago, crazyhole said:

Huh.   So we were actually democratic socialists back in the early 1800s when the post office was established, in the late 1800s when water works systems were laid in place, and in the 1900s when the majority of roads and highways in the US were created? 

 

At some point you ideologues are going to have to stop co-opting the accomplishments of capitalism and the free market by claiming that they are attributable to (x) socialism.   It's embarrassing that you even try.   

@XavierOnassisis an uneducated moron. 

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17 minutes ago, Str8tEdge said:

Communism failed because command systems are very inefficient economies. 
 

 

Chinese Communism has been a roaring success at developing the Chinese economy. It was smaller that Portugal's after the disastrous Great Leap Forward, and now it the world's second largest. In the 1950's, the majority of the competent Chinese engineers. being middle class, were killed or escaped to Hong Kong, Singapore or Taiwan. Those left were simply untrained and incompetent.  Ideologues are poor managers of  planning and building manufacturing plants, electrical and other infrastructure projects.

 

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7 minutes ago, crazyhole said:

Huh.   So we were actually democratic socialists back in the early 1800s when the post office was established, in the late 1800s when water works systems were laid in place, and in the 1900s when the majority of roads and highways in the US were created? 

 

At some point you ideologues are going to have to stop co-opting the accomplishments of capitalism and the free market by claiming that they are attributable to (x) socialism.   It's embarrassing that you even try.   

The post office is socialist as are the roads and bridges. I am not an ideologue, I am a capitalist.

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The post office is socialist as are the roads and bridges. I am not an ideologue, I am a capitalist.

You are a fucking Cuban commie POS

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3 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

Chinese Communism has been a roaring success at developing the Chinese economy. It was smaller that Portugal's after the disastrous Great Leap Forward, and now it the world's second largest. In the 1950's, the majority of the competent Chinese engineers. being middle class, were killed or escaped to Hong Kong, Singapore or Taiwan. Those left were simply untrained and incompetent.  Ideologues are poor managers of  planning and building manufacturing plants, electrical and other infrastructure projects.

 

Less than an hour ago you said that China has used capitalism more effectively than anyone else.   

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3 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

The post office is socialist as are the roads and bridges. I am not an ideologue, I am a capitalist.

The post office is not socialist.   I have to buy a stamp to send a letter.   It may be subsidized, but there is a direct exchange of goods and services there.   

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1 minute ago, crazyhole said:

Less than an hour ago you said that China has used capitalism more effectively than anyone else.   

When Mao and Chao EnLai were in charge, China failed at development. Deng XaoiPing in the 1980's recognized that the Great Leap Forward and thr Cultural Revolution were disastrous to optimal development and modelled the Chinese economy on the examples of Taiwan, Singapore, Japan, S. Korea and  Hong Kong.  He saw that Capitalism was the best tool to use for development and scrapped ideology and encouraged mainland China to manufacture consumer goods for  export, He guaranteed investors from the Asian Dragons (Taiwan, S Korea, Singapore and Hong Kong) that they could invest in Mainland companies and not risk being nationalized. He guaranteed that there would be a labor force that would not unionize or threaten strikes.

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12 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

The post office is socialist as are the roads and bridges. I am not an ideologue, I am a capitalist.

False. That is not the definition of socialism. 

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14 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

Chinese Communism has been a roaring success at developing the Chinese economy. It was smaller that Portugal's after the disastrous Great Leap Forward, and now it the world's second largest. In the 1950's, the majority of the competent Chinese engineers. being middle class, were killed or escaped to Hong Kong, Singapore or Taiwan. Those left were simply untrained and incompetent.  Ideologues are poor managers of  planning and building manufacturing plants, electrical and other infrastructure projects.

 

False. China’s economy got going when they switched from communism to market systems. 

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Just now, Str8tEdge said:

False. China’s economy got going when they switched from communism to market systems. 

He's agreeing that China has thrived under a capitalist economic approach.   Instead of just saying that outright, he's trying to obfuscate the conversation to avoid doing it.   XO knows that capitalism is superior to communism and socialism but its too painful to admit it directly.  

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3 minutes ago, crazyhole said:

He's agreeing that China has thrived under a capitalist economic approach.   Instead of just saying that outright, he's trying to obfuscate the conversation to avoid doing it.   XO knows that capitalism is superior to communism and socialism but its too painful to admit it directly.  

And she’s too indoctrinated. 
 

 

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It's far past time for socialists and communists to actually define in detail what their system entails.   No more of this idealistic esoteric bullshit where they assume the virtues of capitalism and conservative political structures, and claim the best parts are socialist.  No, once you guys admit that countries like China, the USSR, Venezuela, and Cuba really are examples of socialism/communism and agree that the outcomes have pretty much sucked for those people, then we can discuss the virtues of your beloved system.   Until then, stop saying stupid bullshit like the fire department and police are examples of socialism.   

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30 minutes ago, ClownCrusher said:

Marx's prediction of withering capitalism failed to materialize.  Instead, today's liberal communist focuses on cultural Marxism.

 

 

That is true, and it will not wither because there are power hungry people who crave power more than civilization or equity.

What the fuck is "cultural Marxism"? 

Marx was not into culture. He said very little about art and aesthetics.

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