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Nazis were Socialists, just like Marxist-Leninists were, and pre-WWII Progressives Supported both


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1 minute ago, PhilipIV said:

If you wind up not being part of the national identity of a fascist state, then things will wind up going quite poorly for you. Fascism does rely on the population having a rather homogeneous identity...and if it does not then the population must be altered.

 

Is this a kind and loving process? no of course not. But no state has ever been kind and loving. Nuking japan wasnt so nice, was it? Power always does what it needs to do. Fascism works.

 

The glaring difference here seems to be that the US was at war with Japan, but the Nazis were not exactly at war with the Jews. I also don't think that the Nazis were ever going to accept a Jewish surrender.

 

And even without those considerations, if the alternative to what we have now is death camps in which I would probably also be killed, I would much rather live in a world where the biggest worry is whether or not a man wants to be a woman or if people are bad for the environment.

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When a socialist calls someone a Nazi today, as they are wont to do if anyone disagrees with their agenda, they are actually calling them a fellow socialist. Socialism is another word for collect

The difference is that the national socialists are fascist and democratic socialists are Democrats I'm sorry the distinction evades you but it doesn't surprise me

And still are .....            

16 minutes ago, Toldya said:

Since you are unwilling to listen to me or consult  the vast resources of the internet to figure out why liberals are not fascists,

 

 

I  have listened to you,     fascism is  not a difficult concept tp understand.    Liberals,   or more  accurately, progressives,   engage in collectivism, which requires  fascism to make it work 

 

 

33 minutes ago, Toldya said:

WHY don't you seize this opportunity and ask the actual self-proclaimed fascist in this thread what fascism is? He's actually pretty articulate and supports a lot of your views, especially when it comes to libruls.

 

OK

 

 

33 minutes ago, Toldya said:

e if you listened to him and actually finally understood what fascism is, you could stop embarrassing yourself over and over.

 

I am correct.

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2 minutes ago, Toldya said:

 

The glaring difference here seems to be that the US was at war with Japan, but the Nazis were not exactly at war with the Jews. I also don't think that the Nazis were ever going to accept a Jewish surrender.

 

And even without those considerations, if the alternative to what we have now is death camps in which I would probably also be killed, I would much rather live in a world where the biggest worry is whether or not a man wants to be a woman or if people are bad for the environment.

dude, the nazis allied with zionists to move their jews to israel.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

 

moving people who are inconvenient for the state is not generally considered an atrocity...even ghandi did that with the muslims and millions of muslims did die in the journey.

 

All the germans assumed that jews were simply going to be moved. The german fascists did not want to kill the jews.

 

But i dont really feel like debating the veracity of the holocaust. Even if you are going to rely on consequentialist thinking..like lets assume it happened...correlation is not causation and there is nothing within fascist philosophy itself which requires genocide.

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5 minutes ago, EltonJohnson said:

 

 

I  have listened to you,     fascism is  not a difficult concept tp understand.    Liberals,   or more  accurately, progressives,   engage in collectivism, which requires  fascism to make it work 

 

 

 

OK

 

 

 

I am correct.

That is your claim but I am probably a better capitalist than you.

 

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1 minute ago, EltonJohnson said:

 

You're like a  ChiCom, we know

No man I ran a successful business  I like money as much as anyone else.

I believe capitalism tempered by a social safety net is the best economic system

You desperately try to paint us as extremists but we are not We just want people to have a decent retirement medical care and enough to eat and a roof over their heads what is your problem with that?

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8 minutes ago, PhilipIV said:

All the germans assumed that jews were simply going to be moved. The german fascists did not want to kill the jews.

 

They seemed pretty eager to kill the ones who didn't leave.

 

10 minutes ago, PhilipIV said:

Even if you are going to rely on consequentialist thinking..like lets assume it happened...correlation is not causation and there is nothing within fascist philosophy itself which requires genocide.

 

Fascism promotes dehumanization of the outgroups, which is almost definitely more likely to lead to genocide than multiculturalism.

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1 minute ago, Toldya said:

 

 

They seemed pretty eager to kill the ones who didn't leave.

 

 

Fascism promotes dehumanization of the outgroups, which is almost definitely more likely to lead to genocide than multiculturalism.

I actually disagree. Because the fascist understands the importance of his OWN identity, he is better able to RESPECT and empathize with an outgroup.

 

I mean look...the axis was literally a MORE DIVERSE coalition than the allies....ever notice that?

 

You have to respect the concept of nationalism to also respect sovereignty of other people.

 

If you see no difference between people...then what is imperialism? what is colonialism? those words lose their meaning.

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4 minutes ago, PhilipIV said:

mean look...the axis was literally a MORE DIVERSE coalition than the allies....ever notice that?

 

You have to respect the concept of nationalism to also respect sovereignty of other people.

 

 

What is the  difference  between a National Socialist and a  Democratic  Socialist ?

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Just now, PhilipIV said:

well there are many differences...the most obvious one being in the name lol...democratic socialists are not nationalist

 

 

the  biggest difference is  that National Socialist  love their  county  and Democrat Socialist   hate their own country as they hate themselves 

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Just now, PhilipIV said:

I actually disagree. Because the fascist understands the importance of his OWN identity, he is better able to RESPECT and empathize with an outgroup.

 

WTF... you've openly disparaged other races on this forum... now you're saying your fascism actually makes you LESS racist than someone like me? This is getting really weird.

 

4 minutes ago, PhilipIV said:

I mean look...the axis was literally a MORE DIVERSE coalition than the allies....ever notice that?

 

So what?

 

9 minutes ago, PhilipIV said:

You have to respect the concept of nationalism to also respect sovereignty of other people.

 

If you see no difference between people...then what is imperialism? what is colonialism? those words lose their meaning.

 

Respecting diversity isn't about 'seeing no difference between people'. It's more about seeing people as individuals whose culture and race is part of who they are but not ALL that they are or even necessarily the most significant or important thing about them. 

 

Imperialism and colonialism are about dominance and exploitation... multiculturalism is egalitarian.

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