Nazis were Socialists, just like Marxist-Leninists were, and pre-WWII Progressives Supported both

[Whitemajikman]

When a socialist calls someone a Nazi today, as they are wont to do if anyone disagrees with their agenda, they are actually calling them a fellow socialist.

Socialism is another word for collectivism, the doctrine that an individual life has no value, that an individual is owned by the collective and lives only to serve the state or group. This is an apt description for both Marxist-Leninist socialism and National Socialism.

 

The term “Nazi” was coined as a derogatory abbreviation for the proper name, “Nationalsozialist” (National socialist), short for “Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei” (National Socialist German Workers’ Party). Nobel Prize winning economist, Friedrich A. Hayek, rightfully considered Nazism to be socialism.

Both National Socialists and Marxist-Leninist socialists rejected laissez-faire capitalism in favor of total state planning. Prior to World War II, western progressives supported both Hitler and Stalin. “Utopianists” were socialists and socialists were dedicated eugenicists. This is a historical truth that even the leftist Guardian newspaper has had to deal with, an article stating “Socialism’s one-time interest in eugenics is dismissed as an accident of history.  But the truth is far more unpalatable…What could be more socialist than planning…If the state was going to plan the production of motor cars in the national interest, why should it not do the same for the production of babies?” 

 

https://canadafreepress.com/article/nazis-were-socialists-just-like-marxist-leninists-were-and-pre-wwii-progressives-supported-both

[Skans]

2 minutes ago, Whitemajikman said:

When a socialist calls someone a Nazi today, as they are wont to do if anyone disagrees with their agenda, they are actually calling them a fellow socialist.

Socialism is another word for collectivism, the doctrine that an individual life has no value, that an individual is owned by the collective and lives only to serve the state or group. This is an apt description for both Marxist-Leninist socialism and National Socialism.

 

The term “Nazi” was coined as a derogatory abbreviation for the proper name, “Nationalsozialist” (National socialist), short for “Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei” (National Socialist German Workers’ Party). Nobel Prize winning economist, Friedrich A. Hayek, rightfully considered Nazism to be socialism.

Both National Socialists and Marxist-Leninist socialists rejected laissez-faire capitalism in favor of total state planning. Prior to World War II, western progressives supported both Hitler and Stalin. “Utopianists” were socialists and socialists were dedicated eugenicists. This is a historical truth that even the leftist Guardian newspaper has had to deal with, an article stating “Socialism’s one-time interest in eugenics is dismissed as an accident of history.  But the truth is far more unpalatable…What could be more socialist than planning…If the state was going to plan the production of motor cars in the national interest, why should it not do the same for the production of babies?” 

 

https://canadafreepress.com/article/nazis-were-socialists-just-like-marxist-leninists-were-and-pre-wwii-progressives-supported-both

Yeah, they were!!!

[Whitemajikman]

Just now, Skans said:

Yeah, they were!!!

And still are .....

 

 

 

 

 

 

[CrimeaRiver]

 

 

Well, the US did support both sides.

 

The goal was for as many Germans and Russians to die as possible.

[Skans]

Just now, CrimeaRiver said:

 

 

Well, the US did support both sides.

 

The goal was for as many Germans and Russians to die as possible.

The US did not support Nazi Germany.  But, it is true, the US did not care too deeply about dead Russians.   I believe that if Germany won the war and ravaged Moscow, the US would have tried to take Eastern Russia for itself.

[CrimeaRiver]

2 minutes ago, Skans said:

The US did not support Nazi Germany.  But, it is true, the US did not care too deeply about dead Russians.   I believe that if Germany won the war and ravaged Moscow, the US would have tried to take Eastern Russia for itself.

 

Many US corps did secretly support Hitler.  And the desire was to prolong the war so as to kill as many Germans and Russians as possible.  Maybe not direct support of Germany, but I think they hoped Germany would win.  The US elite have always preferred Fascism over Socialism.  To this day the foreign policy preference is to force regime change on uncompliant socialist democracies with a brutal fascist leader.  

[Whitemajikman]

Just now, CrimeaRiver said:

 

 

Well, the US did support both sides.

 

The goal was for as many Germans and Russians to die 

 

Karl Pearson in his own Words

Socialism, being collectivism, require as a totalitarian state, and for this Pearson was all in favor, writing “The legislation or measures of police, to be taken against the immoral and anti- social minority, will form the political realization of socialism. Socialists have to inculcate that spirit which would give offenders against the state short shrift and the nearest lamp-post.”

In 1925 Pearson founded a journal, Annals of Eugenics. It was preoccupied with the threat of Jewish Immigration, describing Jews as “ a parasitic race.”, and writing “into a crowded country only the superior stocks should be allowed entrance, not the inferior” and “History shows me one way, and one way only, in which a high state of civilization has been produced, namely, the struggle of race with race, and the survival of the physically and mentally fitter race…on which probably so much of the Aryan’s success depended.”

In 1933 Karl Pearson, who would pass away in 1936 at 79, retired as Chair of National Eugenics at University College London. A 1934 dinner was held in UCL in his honor. Karl Pearson’s remarks at the dinner included “The climax culminated in Galton’s preaching of Eugenics, and his foundation of the Eugenics Professorship. Did I say ‘culmination’? No, that lies rather in the future, perhaps with Reichskanzler Hitler and his proposals to regenerate the German people. In Germany a vast experiment is in hand, and some of you may live to see its results. If it fails it will not be for want of enthusiasm, but rather because the Germans are only just starting the study of mathematical statistics in the modern sense!”

In that very same speech, Pearson recalled after returning to London for legal studies, he “varied legal studies by lecturing on… Marx on Sundays at revolutionary clubs around Soho. Indeed, I contributed to the Socialist Song Book hymns which I believe are still chanted.”

[slideman]

The right needs to stop falsely claiming that the Nazis were socialists

Did you know that “Nazi” is short for “National Socialist”? That means that Hitler and his henchmen were all socialists. Bernie Sanders calls himself a socialist, too. That means Bernie Sanders and his supporters are the same as Nazis … doesn’t it?  Anyone who has been on political Twitter in the past decade has seen a version of this syllogism. Conservatives, seeking to escape the “fascist” and “Nazi” labels tossed at them by leftist critics since the 1960s, have turned the tables. Books such as Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism” have noted that many leading fascists, such as Italian dictator Benito Mussolini, started out as socialists, just as many early 20th-century “progressives” embraced eugenic ideas ultimately linked to Nazi racist genocide. This connection has become a silver bullet for voices on the right like Dinesh D’Souza and Candace Owens: Not only is the reviled left, embodied in 2020 by figures like Sanders, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Elizabeth Warren, a dangerous descendant of the Nazis, but anyone who opposes it can’t possibly have ties to the Nazis’ odious ideas.  There is only one problem: This argument is untrueDid you know that “Nazi” is short for “National Socialist”? That means that Hitler and his henchmen were all socialists. Bernie Sanders calls himself a socialist, too. That means Bernie Sanders and his supporters are the same as Nazis … doesn’t it?  Anyone who has been on political Twitter in the past decade has seen a version of this syllogism. Conservatives, seeking to escape the “fascist” and “Nazi” labels tossed at them by leftist critics since the 1960s, have turned the tables. Books such as Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism” have noted that many leading fascists, such as Italian dictator Benito Mussolini, started out as socialists, just as many early 20th-century “progressives” embraced eugenic ideas ultimately linked to Nazi racist genocide. This connection has become a silver bullet for voices on the right like Dinesh D’Souza and Candace Owens: Not only is the reviled left, embodied in 2020 by figures like Sanders, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Elizabeth Warren, a dangerous descendant of the Nazis, but anyone who opposes it can’t possibly have ties to the Nazis’ odious ideas.  There is only one problem: This argument is untrue.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/

[slideman]

25 minutes ago, Whitemajikman said:

When a socialist calls someone a Nazi today, as they are wont to do if anyone disagrees with their agenda, they are actually calling them a fellow socialist.

Socialism is another word for collectivism, the doctrine that an individual life has no value, that an individual is owned by the collective and lives only to serve the state or group. This is an apt description for both Marxist-Leninist socialism and National Socialism.

 

The term “Nazi” was coined as a derogatory abbreviation for the proper name, “Nationalsozialist” (National socialist), short for “Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei” (National Socialist German Workers’ Party). Nobel Prize winning economist, Friedrich A. Hayek, rightfully considered Nazism to be socialism.

Both National Socialists and Marxist-Leninist socialists rejected laissez-faire capitalism in favor of total state planning. Prior to World War II, western progressives supported both Hitler and Stalin. “Utopianists” were socialists and socialists were dedicated eugenicists. This is a historical truth that even the leftist Guardian newspaper has had to deal with, an article stating “Socialism’s one-time interest in eugenics is dismissed as an accident of history.  But the truth is far more unpalatable…What could be more socialist than planning…If the state was going to plan the production of motor cars in the national interest, why should it not do the same for the production of babies?” 

 

https://canadafreepress.com/article/nazis-were-socialists-just-like-marxist-leninists-were-and-pre-wwii-progressives-supported-both

Hilarious. Nazi makes the I'm rubber your glue argument

[XavierOnassis]

RWNJs refuse to understand the actual history.

[Skans]

1 minute ago, slideman said:

Did you know that “Nazi” is short for “National Socialist”? That means that Hitler and his henchmen were all socialists. Bernie Sanders calls himself a socialist, too. That means Bernie Sanders and his supporters are the same as Nazis … doesn’t it? 

 

Hey, Slideman, glad to see you are beginning to understand the history behind exactly why Nazis were Socialists.  That doesn't explain why you are a Socialist who claims not to be a Nazi, but perhaps you are just confused.

[slideman]

1 minute ago, Skans said:

Hey, Slideman, glad to see you are beginning to understand the history behind exactly why Nazis were Socialists.  That doesn't explain why you are a Socialist who claims not to be a Nazi, but perhaps you are just confused.

Nice try Nazi

They were Nazis they were not socialists.

It's a flat lie

[CrimeaRiver]

9 minutes ago, Whitemajikman said:

 

Karl Pearson in his own Words

Socialism, being collectivism, require as a totalitarian state, and for this Pearson was all in favor, writing “The legislation or measures of police, to be taken against the immoral and anti- social minority, will form the political realization of socialism. Socialists have to inculcate that spirit which would give offenders against the state short shrift and the nearest lamp-post.”

In 1925 Pearson founded a journal, Annals of Eugenics. It was preoccupied with the threat of Jewish Immigration, describing Jews as “ a parasitic race.”, and writing “into a crowded country only the superior stocks should be allowed entrance, not the inferior” and “History shows me one way, and one way only, in which a high state of civilization has been produced, namely, the struggle of race with race, and the survival of the physically and mentally fitter race…on which probably so much of the Aryan’s success depended.”

In 1933 Karl Pearson, who would pass away in 1936 at 79, retired as Chair of National Eugenics at University College London. A 1934 dinner was held in UCL in his honor. Karl Pearson’s remarks at the dinner included “The climax culminated in Galton’s preaching of Eugenics, and his foundation of the Eugenics Professorship. Did I say ‘culmination’? No, that lies rather in the future, perhaps with Reichskanzler Hitler and his proposals to regenerate the German people. In Germany a vast experiment is in hand, and some of you may live to see its results. If it fails it will not be for want of enthusiasm, but rather because the Germans are only just starting the study of mathematical statistics in the modern sense!”

In that very same speech, Pearson recalled after returning to London for legal studies, he “varied legal studies by lecturing on… Marx on Sundays at revolutionary clubs around Soho. Indeed, I contributed to the Socialist Song Book hymns which I believe are still chanted.”

 

Fascinating stuff there

[CrimeaRiver]

9 minutes ago, slideman said:

The right needs to stop falsely claiming that the Nazis were socialists

Did you know that “Nazi” is short for “National Socialist”? That means that Hitler and his henchmen were all socialists. Bernie Sanders calls himself a socialist, too. That means Bernie Sanders and his supporters are the same as Nazis … doesn’t it?  Anyone who has been on political Twitter in the past decade has seen a version of this syllogism. Conservatives, seeking to escape the “fascist” and “Nazi” labels tossed at them by leftist critics since the 1960s, have turned the tables. Books such as Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism” have noted that many leading fascists, such as Italian dictator Benito Mussolini, started out as socialists, just as many early 20th-century “progressives” embraced eugenic ideas ultimately linked to Nazi racist genocide. This connection has become a silver bullet for voices on the right like Dinesh D’Souza and Candace Owens: Not only is the reviled left, embodied in 2020 by figures like Sanders, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Elizabeth Warren, a dangerous descendant of the Nazis, but anyone who opposes it can’t possibly have ties to the Nazis’ odious ideas.  There is only one problem: This argument is untrueDid you know that “Nazi” is short for “National Socialist”? That means that Hitler and his henchmen were all socialists. Bernie Sanders calls himself a socialist, too. That means Bernie Sanders and his supporters are the same as Nazis … doesn’t it?  Anyone who has been on political Twitter in the past decade has seen a version of this syllogism. Conservatives, seeking to escape the “fascist” and “Nazi” labels tossed at them by leftist critics since the 1960s, have turned the tables. Books such as Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism” have noted that many leading fascists, such as Italian dictator Benito Mussolini, started out as socialists, just as many early 20th-century “progressives” embraced eugenic ideas ultimately linked to Nazi racist genocide. This connection has become a silver bullet for voices on the right like Dinesh D’Souza and Candace Owens: Not only is the reviled left, embodied in 2020 by figures like Sanders, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Elizabeth Warren, a dangerous descendant of the Nazis, but anyone who opposes it can’t possibly have ties to the Nazis’ odious ideas.  There is only one problem: This argument is untrue.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/

 

 

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Slidey the Dipshit strikes Again!!!!!

[PhilipIV]

4 minutes ago, slideman said:

The right needs to stop falsely claiming that the Nazis were socialists

Did you know that “Nazi” is short for “National Socialist”? That means that Hitler and his henchmen were all socialists. Bernie Sanders calls himself a socialist, too. That means Bernie Sanders and his supporters are the same as Nazis … doesn’t it?  Anyone who has been on political Twitter in the past decade has seen a version of this syllogism. Conservatives, seeking to escape the “fascist” and “Nazi” labels tossed at them by leftist critics since the 1960s, have turned the tables. Books such as Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism” have noted that many leading fascists, such as Italian dictator Benito Mussolini, started out as socialists, just as many early 20th-century “progressives” embraced eugenic ideas ultimately linked to Nazi racist genocide. This connection has become a silver bullet for voices on the right like Dinesh D’Souza and Candace Owens: Not only is the reviled left, embodied in 2020 by figures like Sanders, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Elizabeth Warren, a dangerous descendant of the Nazis, but anyone who opposes it can’t possibly have ties to the Nazis’ odious ideas.  There is only one problem: This argument is untrueDid you know that “Nazi” is short for “National Socialist”? That means that Hitler and his henchmen were all socialists. Bernie Sanders calls himself a socialist, too. That means Bernie Sanders and his supporters are the same as Nazis … doesn’t it?  Anyone who has been on political Twitter in the past decade has seen a version of this syllogism. Conservatives, seeking to escape the “fascist” and “Nazi” labels tossed at them by leftist critics since the 1960s, have turned the tables. Books such as Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism” have noted that many leading fascists, such as Italian dictator Benito Mussolini, started out as socialists, just as many early 20th-century “progressives” embraced eugenic ideas ultimately linked to Nazi racist genocide. This connection has become a silver bullet for voices on the right like Dinesh D’Souza and Candace Owens: Not only is the reviled left, embodied in 2020 by figures like Sanders, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Elizabeth Warren, a dangerous descendant of the Nazis, but anyone who opposes it can’t possibly have ties to the Nazis’ odious ideas.  There is only one problem: This argument is untrue.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/

I have read a great amount of NSDAP literature, and I actually agree with all of its core tenets. IN fact, you could call me a nazi.

 

And guess what? it is socialist. i mean, the word 'socialism' seems difficult to define and is poorly understood. But national socialism is syndicalist and collectivist.

 

They didnt want to abolish private property, nor did they want to have total control of the markets...so i guess you could say it was a sort of mixed economy. But they reserved the right to nationalize anything they needed, and they did make the central bank fully under state control.

[CrimeaRiver]

 

 

Slidey....Left Wing NUTTER

 

But worships NIGGAR JAILER BIDEN

 

Slidey is a confused lil fella

[Whitemajikman]

Just now, slideman said:

The right needs to stop falsely claiming that the Nazis were socialists

Did you know that “Nazi” is short for “National Socialist”? That means that Hitler and his henchmen were all socialists. Bernie Sanders calls himself a socialist, too. That means Bernie Sanders and his supporters are the same as Nazis … doesn’t it?  Anyone who has been on political Twitter in the past decade has seen a version of this syllogism. Conservatives, seeking to escape the “fascist” and “Nazi” labels tossed at them by leftist critics since the 1960s, have turned the tables. Books such as Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism” have noted that many leading fascists, such as Italian dictator Benito Mussolini, started out as socialists, just as many early 20th-century “progressives” embraced eugenic ideas ultimately linked to Nazi racist genocide. This connection has become a silver bullet for voices on the right like Dinesh D’Souza and Candace Owens: Not only is the reviled left, embodied in 2020 by figures like Sanders, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Elizabeth Warren, a dangerous descendant of the Nazis, but anyone who opposes it can’t possibly have ties to the Nazis’ odious ideas.  There is only one problem: This argument is untrueDid you know that “Nazi” is short for “National Socialist”? That means that Hitler and his henchmen were all socialists. Bernie Sanders calls himself a socialist, too. That means Bernie Sanders and his supporters are the same as Nazis … doesn’t it?  Anyone who has been on political Twitter in the past decade has seen a version of this syllogism. Conservatives, seeking to escape the “fascist” and “Nazi” labels tossed at them by leftist critics since the 1960s, have turned the tables. Books such as Jonah Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism” have noted that many leading fascists, such as Italian dictator Benito Mussolini, started out as socialists, just as many early 20th-century “progressives” embraced eugenic ideas ultimately linked to Nazi racist genocide. This connection has become a silver bullet for voices on the right like Dinesh D’Souza and Candace Owens: Not only is the reviled left, embodied in 2020 by figures like Sanders, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Elizabeth Warren, a dangerous descendant of the Nazis, but anyone who opposes it can’t possibly have ties to the Nazis’ odious ideas.  There is only one problem: This argument is untrue.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/

You can try and revise history all you want but it won't work .....

 

Pearson, the Legacy

The Nazis had an appreciative awareness of Pearson’s contributions to their cause. In 1932, Pearson was awarded the prestigious Rudolf Virchow medal from the Anthropological Society of Berlin, handed to him by Eugen Fischer, author of books that provided racial theories for Hitler (read by the future Fuhrer in prison and quoted in Mein Kampf) and for the Nuremberg laws.(Fischer died in 1967 at 93, basking in glory till the end).

Hitler had great knowledge of American and British eugenists.

Pearson’s Annals of Eugenics and his writings directly influenced Eugenicists such as American Madison Grant, whose book got a fan letter from Hitler, being called by Hitler “His bible”. Hitler wrote he “studied with great interest” the eugenics theories of Sir Francis Galton and Pearson.

Pearson hated democracy, hated individualism, hated the “inferior”. He saw Hitler and Stalin, National Socialism and Marxist-Leninist socialism, as in line with his causes. He knew there was no contradiction between supporting Hitler and Stalin, between supporting National Socialism and Marxist-Leninist socialism, both were socialism, both were collectivism. In addition to influencing the Nazi racial theory, Pearson wrote to Marx to offer to translate Marx’s Das Kapital.

Pearson’s anti-Semitism is of course echoed by the woke left today, but some of his other views offend political correctness. In June 2020, University College London unceremoniously stripped his name from the former Pearson Building and the former Pearson Lecture Theatre. How the mighty have fallen. In his lifetime Pearson was offered a Knighthood, but as a good communist, turned it down.

Colleges are now undergoing review where every memorial and honor to anyone who ever wrote anything that violates 2021 speech regulations is being removed. 

Yet this is unfair to Karl Pearson. He was complimented by Lenin who funded a state run (of course) bureau of Eugenics. Websites and books still present Pearson in his full measure of glory, as a devoted Marxist and enemy of capitalism. For example a recent statistics history book writes glowingly of Pearson “ Pearson gave a lot of thought to issues of social justice” and “Nor did his fascination with socialism diminish. He wrote about socialism and prominent socialists wrote about him. Vladimir Ilyich Lenin… one of the most influential socialists of all time, followed Pearson’s writing and wrote complimentary remarks about Pearson’s ideas.”²

1. Freedland, Jonathan, ”Eugenics: The Skeleton that Rattles Loudest in the Left’s Closet.”, The Guardian, Feb. 17, 2012.
2. Tabak, John, Probability and Statistics: The Science of Uncertainty, Facts on File, New York, NY,  2004.

 

[PhilipIV]

the fundamental difference between fascism and marxism is simply this: how to you inspire cooperation among people? how do you create a collective that acts with a unified purpose?

 

marx thought the answer was to abolish identity. National identity, religion, etc. has to be destroyed.

 

Fascists say the exact opposite. ACCENT national identity. Then the rich and the poor will collaborate because it is for the good of the nation, and the nation provides a purpose for their lives.

[impartialobserver]

This thread is hilarious 

[CrimeaRiver]

9 minutes ago, PhilipIV said:

the fundamental difference between fascism and marxism is simply this: how to you inspire cooperation among people? how do you create a collective that acts with a unified purpose?

 

marx thought the answer was to abolish identity. National identity, religion, etc. has to be destroyed.

 

Fascists say the exact opposite. ACCENT national identity. Then the rich and the poor will collaborate because it is for the good of the nation, and the nation provides a purpose for their lives.

 

 

Never explained any better - well done

[EltonJohnson]

24 minutes ago, slideman said:

The right needs to stop falsely claiming that the Nazis were socialists

Did you know that “Nazi” is short for “National Socialist”? That means that Hitler and his henchmen were all socialists. Bernie Sanders calls himself a socialist, too. That means Bernie Sanders and his supporters are the same as Nazis … doesn’t it? 

 

 

Logic failure ^^^^^

 

What is the  difference between a National Socialist  and a Democratic Socialist 

[slideman]

1 minute ago, EltonJohnson said:

 

 

Logic failure ^^^^^

 

What is the  difference between a National Socialist  and a Democratic Socialist 

The difference is that the national socialists are fascist and democratic socialists are Democrats

I'm sorry the distinction evades you but it doesn't surprise me

[EltonJohnson]

Just now, slideman said:

The difference is that the national socialists are fascist and democratic socialists are Democrats

 

That is  incorrect.   Demcorats are also  fascists.

 

Today   Biden is giving executive orders on  Gun control , which  is fucking  fascist as fuck 

 

1 minute ago, slideman said:

I'm sorry the distinction evades you but it doesn't surprise me

 

no,  your inability to provide a correct or honest answer  was expected.    When you run away form  debate as often as you do,  you  never learn how to do it.

[CrimeaRiver]

5 minutes ago, slideman said:

The difference is that the national socialists are fascist and democratic socialists are Democrats

I'm sorry the distinction evades you but it doesn't surprise me

 

Slideys favorite book...in his new MARXIST post

[slideman]

1 minute ago, EltonJohnson said:

 

That is  incorrect.   Demcorats are also  fascists.

 

Today   Biden is giving executive orders on  Gun control , which  is fucking  fascist as fuck 

 

 

no,  your inability to provide a correct or honest answer  was expected.    When you run away form  debate as often as you do,  you  never learn how to do it.

An ad hominem.

Debate lessons from Elton you're hilarious