impartialobserver Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Belief is for when you do not have all the facts/knowledge to back up your views. The more knowledge one acquires less need for blindly believing in something. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XavierOnassis Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 On 2/21/2021 at 6:38 PM, SixShooter said: She couldn't even define her concept of God. Dead giveaway that she's in over her head. So you think that defining the concept of God is ever so easy. Can you do it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SixShooter Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 2 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said: So you think that defining the concept of God is ever so easy. Can you do it? I probably worded that poorly. What I was trying to get at is, what type of entity are we talking about? Religion claims God to be an omnipotent supernatural being. Typically atheists won't concede to that description Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SixShooter Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 And that's because they can't defeat such an entity. They have to invent a finite, mortal god that they can defeat Quote Link to post Share on other sites
impartialobserver Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 3 minutes ago, SixShooter said: I probably worded that poorly. What I was trying to get at is, what type of entity are we talking about? Religion claims God to be an omnipotent supernatural being. Typically atheists won't concede to that description I am a nearly life-long atheist. As you can predict, I have only a cursory knowledge of religion, the bible, christianity, etc. Difference is that I can admit to not being an expert unlike most atheists. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XavierOnassis Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Just now, SixShooter said: I probably worded that poorly. What I was trying to get at is, what type of entity are we talking about? Religion claims God to be an omnipotent supernatural being. Typically atheists won't concede to that description The existence of God cannot be proven. Therefore, none of the attributes of God can be proven, either. Is omnipotence possible? Is omniscience, omnipresence possible? "Concede " is a word used to admit that something that is known to exists, actually does. Therefore it is the wrong word to be used here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SixShooter Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 2 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: I am a nearly life-long atheist. As you can predict, I have only a cursory knowledge of religion, the bible, christianity, etc. Difference is that I can admit to not being an expert unlike most atheists. No offense, but I would think a non-believer who hasn't studied hard on how to be atheist would be agnostic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XavierOnassis Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 4 minutes ago, SixShooter said: And that's because they can't defeat such an entity. They have to invent a finite, mortal god that they can defeat You seem to be inventing a different entity as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
impartialobserver Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 3 minutes ago, SixShooter said: No offense, but I would think a non-believer who hasn't studied hard on how to be atheist would be agnostic Its semantics. Atheist means that there is no god. Agnostic would mean that you do not care or am not certain. Or at least, that is my view of the two groups. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SixShooter Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Just now, XavierOnassis said: The existence of God cannot be proven. Therefore, none of the attributes of God can be proven, either. Is omnipotence possible? Is omniscience, omnipresence possible? "Concede " is a word used to admit that something that is known to exists, actually does. Therefore it is the wrong word to be used here. Whatever If someone is gonna debate about God it's fair to use an agreed-upon definition of what type of being you're discussing Otherwise the conversation is pointless Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SixShooter Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 2 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said: You seem to be inventing a different entity as well. I invented nothing. What did I invent? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XavierOnassis Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, SixShooter said: No offense, but I would think a non-believer who hasn't studied hard on how to be atheist would be agnostic Since the existence and nature of God can neither be proven nor disproven, and neither can the alleged attributes of God can be proven, agnosticism seems to be the only logical conclusion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SixShooter Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Just now, impartialobserver said: Its semantics. Atheist means that there is no god. Agnostic would mean that you do not care or am not certain. Or at least, that is my view of the two groups. So Atheism makes a positive claim that can't be proven? To me, Agnostic means you're undecided on the existence. Like I said, I would think a non-believer who isn't well studied on the subject would lean more agnostic. But whatever Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XavierOnassis Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, SixShooter said: Whatever If someone is gonna debate about God it's fair to use an agreed-upon definition of what type of being you're discussing Otherwise the conversation is pointless To discuss God, you must provide proof that God exists or at least that God is logically possible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SixShooter Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, XavierOnassis said: Since the existence and nature of God can neither be proven nor disproven, and neither can the alleged attributes of God can be proven, agnosticism seems to be the only logical conclusion. Whatever Religion claims God is omnipotent, infinite, etc etc. Supernatural attributes. That's the basis for the belief I don't care what you think or believe Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SixShooter Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Just now, XavierOnassis said: To discuss God, you must provide proof that God exists or at least that God is logically possible. No, I must not The end 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XavierOnassis Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Just now, SixShooter said: No, I must not The end You cannot. No one has come up with an irrefutable proof of the existence of God yet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XavierOnassis Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 3 minutes ago, SixShooter said: Whatever Religion claims God is omnipotent, infinite, etc etc. Supernatural attributes. That's the basis for the belief I don't care what you think or believe What purpose is your caring what I think? That is like caring that 1+1=2. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
impartialobserver Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 10 minutes ago, SixShooter said: So Atheism makes a positive claim that can't be proven? Hence why I find debate on this topic to be mostly pointless. Neither side can definitively prove the existence or non-existence of a god. Therefore, it seems like mental masturbation to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XavierOnassis Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 54 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: Hence why I find debate on this topic to be mostly pointless. Neither side can definitively prove the existence or non-existence of a god. Therefore, it seems like mental masturbation to me. It is a question that has no provable answer. That does not mean that one cannot learn something by debating it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crazyhole Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 On 2/21/2021 at 3:22 PM, calguy said: I'll say that I've been studying the works of Joseph Benner and Neville Goddard for many years. Reading their fascinating work will tell you where I am spiritually. Any thoughts on Edgar Cayce? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Taipan Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 On 2/22/2021 at 4:23 PM, leomon said: Christianity values the poor Why is American Evangelism so deeply rooted in success and money. Jesus hung out with the prostitutes' and sinners. All u guys want to do is make money, follow joel Osteen in his prosperity gospel and have your guns. He came on a donkey not on a F350 rolling coal. Jesus taught u to turn the other cheek, but u just want to shoot your guns and protect your gun rights. American Evangelism is not Christianity. I think Jesus wants us to give to the poor............"voluntarily". Charity. I don't think Jesus is a socialist who would ask people to work 6mo. a year for the gov. The Dem socialist seek 50% in taxes for Americans. This not American Freedom in my eyes. The gov. should not steal from its citizens. How about 10% to gov. & 10% to Charity. The other 80% goes to the family of the earner......or to more 'voluntary' charity. Does this sound reasonable to Canada ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zaro Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 2 hours ago, SixShooter said: No offense, but I would think a non-believer who hasn't studied hard on how to be atheist would be agnostic Hey bitch ass, look at the title of this thread. Christianity. Debating the fucking god of Christianity, the god described in the Bible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zaro Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 2 hours ago, XavierOnassis said: To discuss God, you must provide proof that God exists or at least that God is logically possible. Yup Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zaro Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 20 minutes ago, Zaro said: Hey bitch ass, look at the title of this thread. Christianity. Debating the fucking god of Christianity, the god described in the Bible. That's the one. The one who flooded the earth, turned Lot's wife into a pillar of salt, who gave is only begotten son and the one who left his opinion on gays off his top ten list Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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