Toldya Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 7 hours ago, king of the county said: In 2019, China was the biggest emitter of fossil fuel carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions. With a share of almost 30 percent of the world's total CO2 emissions that year, this was roughly twice the amount emitted by the second largest emitter the United States. They also have over 4 times the population. That's why I said per capita. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tunafish Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 14 hours ago, Toldya said: The most democratic option would be to have a national referendum on this-- each person having a say in whether or not the US should join. But of course, you would lose that one easily. Correct, the results would be RIGGED, just like the election. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pastafarian Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Joking the Paris Climate Agreement makes no difference. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crazyhole Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 4 hours ago, Toldya said: They also have over 4 times the population. That's why I said per capita. Why does per Capita make any difference here? The atmosphere doesn't care how many people are doing it, it only cares about the total amount going out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
king of the county Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 4 hours ago, Toldya said: They also have over 4 times the population. That's why I said per capita. More is more you can have your cake but you can’t eat it too Quote Link to post Share on other sites
king of the county Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 28 minutes ago, crazyhole said: Why does per Capita make any difference here? The atmosphere doesn't care how many people are doing it, it only cares about the total amount going out. Boom 💥 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Toldya Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 8 hours ago, king of the county said: More is more you can have your cake but you can’t eat it too So it's not relevant that the average person in China still pollutes half as much as the average American? It seems to me that modifying American consumption patterns are a much easier fix than trying to reduce the population of China. It's not like Americans only change the climate in America. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Toldya Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 8 hours ago, crazyhole said: Why does per Capita make any difference here? The atmosphere doesn't care how many people are doing it, it only cares about the total amount going out. Because consumption patterns are easily modified, whereas population levels are not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crazyhole Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 4 minutes ago, Toldya said: Because consumption patterns are easily modified, whereas population levels are not. Sounds nice, but consumption isn't necessarily the issue, it's production. China produces half of the world's industrial goods, largely due to the use of fossil fuels. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
king of the county Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 24 minutes ago, Toldya said: So it's not relevant that the average person in China still pollutes half as much as the average American? It seems to me that modifying American consumption patterns are a much easier fix than trying to reduce the population of China. It's not like Americans only change the climate in America. Uh try limiting the pollution in chyna or monitoring it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Toldya Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 19 minutes ago, king of the county said: Uh try limiting the pollution in chyna or monitoring it China has taken steps towards doing that. The GOP wants to increase emissions and pollution as much as possible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
king of the county Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 hour ago, Toldya said: China has taken steps towards doing that. The GOP wants to increase emissions and pollution as much as possible. It ain’t showing up in their statistics Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bgr39 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 On 2/19/2021 at 3:22 PM, Toldya said: The most democratic option would be to have a national referendum on this-- each person having a say in whether or not the US should join. But of course, you would lose that one easily. Are you talking about a referendum where each citizen over the age of 18 gets to vote. Or are you talking about each person living in America, including illegal aliens and other people here illegally? And what is the minimum age of the person voting? Are you talking about people voting that are so severely handicapped that they cannot even take of their own needs? Just wondering!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bgr39 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 On 2/19/2021 at 5:09 PM, Toldya said: USA's emissions are still double the per capita rate of China's. Seems to me that wayyy before the china virus was even known of (several years ago) I saw pictures of people in china's cities wearing face masks because the air pollution was so bad. America's cities haven't been THAT bad for at least 50 years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XavierOnassis Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 On 2/20/2021 at 8:11 PM, king of the county said: It ain’t showing up in their statistics As if you had any familiarity with any statistics whatever. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
king of the county Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 9 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said: As if you had any familiarity with any statistics whatever. They are the biggest largest most polluter in the world Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XavierOnassis Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 3 minutes ago, king of the county said: They are the biggest largest most polluter in the world Sez the guy who says., "just try to monitor" China's pollution. If it cannot be monitored properly, then how can you say it is greater? The Chinese are trying harder to build mass transit and promote electrical vehicles than the US. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
king of the county Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 14 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said: Sez the guy who says., "just try to monitor" China's pollution. If it cannot be monitored properly, then how can you say it is greater? The Chinese are trying harder to build mass transit and promote electrical vehicles than the US. From your buddies at google Top 10 polluters China, with more than 10,065 million tons of CO2 released. United States, with 5,416 million tons of CO2. India, with 2,654 million tons of CO2. Russia, with 1,711 million tons of CO2. Japan, 1,162 million tons of CO2. Germany, 759 million tons of CO2. Iran, 720 million tons of CO2. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Toldya Posted Tuesday at 09:42 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:42 AM 12 hours ago, bgr39 said: Seems to me that wayyy before the china virus was even known of (several years ago) I saw pictures of people in china's cities wearing face masks because the air pollution was so bad. America's cities haven't been THAT bad for at least 50 years. We're only talking about greenhouse gases, not ALL air pollution. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pastafarian Posted Tuesday at 09:44 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:44 AM 12 hours ago, bgr39 said: Seems to me that wayyy before the china virus was even known of (several years ago) I saw pictures of people in china's cities wearing face masks because the air pollution was so bad. America's cities haven't been THAT bad for at least 50 years. 25 years more like it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kfools Posted Tuesday at 11:56 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 11:56 AM On 2/19/2021 at 3:09 PM, Toldya said: I'm pretty sure that doing something that the majority of Americans support is entirely democratic. Considering how wrong polls have been for five years I am highly suspicious at "How many" people always seem supportive of the progressive agenda. I never seem to run into these people though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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