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7 hours ago, king of the county said:

In 2019, China was the biggest emitter of fossil fuel carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions. With a share of almost 30 percent of the world's total CO2 emissions that year, this was roughly twice the amount emitted by the second largest emitter the United States.

 

They also have over 4 times the population.

That's why I said per capita.

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Of course they do.

Yes, I know. Real democracy is a threat to you.    

14 hours ago, Toldya said:

 

The most democratic option would be to have a national referendum on this-- each person having a say in whether or not the US should join.

 

But of course, you would lose that one easily.

 

Correct, the results would be RIGGED, just like the election.

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4 hours ago, Toldya said:

 

They also have over 4 times the population.

That's why I said per capita.

Why does per Capita make any difference here?   The atmosphere doesn't care how many people are doing it, it only cares about the total amount going out.   

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8 hours ago, king of the county said:

More is more you can have your cake but you can’t eat it too  

 

So it's not relevant that the average person in China still pollutes half as much as the average American?

 

It seems to me that modifying American consumption patterns are a much easier fix than trying to reduce the population of China. It's not like Americans only change the climate in America.

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8 hours ago, crazyhole said:

Why does per Capita make any difference here?   The atmosphere doesn't care how many people are doing it, it only cares about the total amount going out.   

 

Because consumption patterns are easily modified, whereas population levels are not.

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4 minutes ago, Toldya said:

 

Because consumption patterns are easily modified, whereas population levels are not.

Sounds nice, but consumption isn't necessarily the issue, it's production.   China produces half of the world's industrial goods, largely due to the use of fossil fuels.    

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24 minutes ago, Toldya said:

 

So it's not relevant that the average person in China still pollutes half as much as the average American?

 

It seems to me that modifying American consumption patterns are a much easier fix than trying to reduce the population of China. It's not like Americans only change the climate in America.

Uh try limiting the pollution in chyna or monitoring it 

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19 minutes ago, king of the county said:

Uh try limiting the pollution in chyna or monitoring it 

 

China has taken steps towards doing that.

The GOP wants to increase emissions and pollution as much as possible.

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On 2/19/2021 at 3:22 PM, Toldya said:

 

The most democratic option would be to have a national referendum on this-- each person having a say in whether or not the US should join.

 

But of course, you would lose that one easily.

 

  Are you talking about a referendum where each citizen over the age of 18 gets to vote.

  Or are you talking about each person living in America, including illegal aliens and other people here illegally?

  And what is the minimum age of the person voting?

  Are you talking about people voting that are so severely handicapped that they cannot even take of their own needs?

  Just wondering!!!                 :)

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On 2/19/2021 at 5:09 PM, Toldya said:

 

USA's emissions are still double the per capita rate of China's.

  Seems to me that wayyy before the china virus was even known of (several years ago) I saw pictures of people in china's cities wearing face masks because the air pollution was so bad.

  America's cities haven't been THAT bad for at least 50 years.

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3 minutes ago, king of the county said:

They are the biggest largest most polluter in the world 

Sez the guy who says., "just try to monitor" China's pollution.

 

If it cannot be monitored properly, then how can you say it is greater?

 

The Chinese are trying harder to build mass transit and promote electrical vehicles than the US.

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14 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

Sez the guy who says., "just try to monitor" China's pollution.

 

If it cannot be monitored properly, then how can you say it is greater?

 

The Chinese are trying harder to build mass transit and promote electrical vehicles than the US.

From your buddies at google 

 

 

 

Top 10 polluters
  • China, with more than 10,065 million tons of CO2 released.
  • United States, with 5,416 million tons of CO2.
  • India, with 2,654 million tons of CO2.
  • Russia, with 1,711 million tons of CO2.
  • Japan, 1,162 million tons of CO2.
  • Germany, 759 million tons of CO2.
  • Iran, 720 million tons of CO2.
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12 hours ago, bgr39 said:

  Seems to me that wayyy before the china virus was even known of (several years ago) I saw pictures of people in china's cities wearing face masks because the air pollution was so bad.

  America's cities haven't been THAT bad for at least 50 years.

 

We're only talking about greenhouse gases, not ALL air pollution.

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12 hours ago, bgr39 said:

  Seems to me that wayyy before the china virus was even known of (several years ago) I saw pictures of people in china's cities wearing face masks because the air pollution was so bad.

  America's cities haven't been THAT bad for at least 50 years.

25 years more like it. 

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On 2/19/2021 at 3:09 PM, Toldya said:

 

I'm pretty sure that doing something that the majority of Americans support is entirely democratic.

 

 

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Considering how wrong polls have been for five years I am highly suspicious at "How many" people always seem supportive of the progressive agenda.

 

I never seem to run into these people though.

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