Scout Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Which makes Trump's gesture even more corrupt..... people against whom crimes were proven in court, he says should be immune from punishment. BUT TRUMP tried to have the gov't MURDER the INNOCENT Central Park 5. Stuff like RUSSIAN COLLUSION, eh? I knew it was true. Trump is garbage like his voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteboy Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Scout said: Trump is garbage like his voters. Are all Biden voters pedophiles? Are you Bob? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyhole Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Weak take. TDS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EltonJohnson Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 the answer is NO Flynn didn't even do anything 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, Scout said: Which makes Trump's gesture even more corrupt..... people against whom crimes were proven in court, he says should be immune from punishment. BUT TRUMP tried to have the gov't MURDER the INNOCENT Central Park 5. Stuff like RUSSIAN COLLUSION, eh? I knew it was true. Trump is garbage like his voters. The answer is no. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Dontlooknow said: So a man that pleas guilty should walk? Your question: Doesn't Gen. Flynn have to admit guilt for any crime for which he gets a pardon? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Just now, Dontlooknow said: But he already had admitted guilt. And then withdrew it. You forgot that part. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scout Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Huey said: The answer is no. I am not convinced now that I have done some research. Whether accepting a pardon is inherently an admission of guilt is still debated by many law historians. According to Associate Justice Joseph McKenna, writing the majority opinion in the U.S. Supreme Court case Burdick v. United States, a pardon "carries an imputation of guilt; acceptance a confession of it." And another view from a Washington Post article: Myth No. 4 Pardons are only for guilty people; accepting one is an admission of guilt. In 1915, the Supreme Court wrote in Burdick v. United States that a pardon “carries an imputation of guilt; acceptance a confession of it.” Over the years, many have come to see a necessary relationship between a pardon and guilt. Ford carried the Burdick quote in his wallet, defending the Nixon pardon by noting that it established Nixon’s guilt. More recently, MSNBC host Ari Melber taunted Arpaio by saying he had admitted he was guilty when he accepted Trump’s pardon. But Burdick was about a different issue: the ability to turn down a pardon. The language about imputing and confessing guilt was just an aside — what lawyers call dicta. The court meant that, as a practical matter, because pardons make people look guilty, a recipient might not want to accept one. But pardons have no formal, legal effect of declaring guilt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scout Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dontlooknow said: But he already had admitted guilt. That's right. SEVERAL times. This seals his guilt in concrete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Scout said: I am not convinced now that I have done some research. Whether accepting a pardon is inherently an admission of guilt is still debated by many law historians. According to Associate Justice Joseph McKenna, writing the majority opinion in the U.S. Supreme Court case Burdick v. United States, a pardon "carries an imputation of guilt; acceptance a confession of it." And another view from a Washington Post article: Myth No. 4 Pardons are only for guilty people; accepting one is an admission of guilt. In 1915, the Supreme Court wrote in Burdick v. United States that a pardon “carries an imputation of guilt; acceptance a confession of it.” Over the years, many have come to see a necessary relationship between a pardon and guilt. Ford carried the Burdick quote in his wallet, defending the Nixon pardon by noting that it established Nixon’s guilt. More recently, MSNBC host Ari Melber taunted Arpaio by saying he had admitted he was guilty when he accepted Trump’s pardon. But Burdick was about a different issue: the ability to turn down a pardon. The language about imputing and confessing guilt was just an aside — what lawyers call dicta. The court meant that, as a practical matter, because pardons make people look guilty, a recipient might not want to accept one. But pardons have no formal, legal effect of declaring guilt. That’s nice. But this was the question: Doesn't Gen. Flynn have to admit guilt for any crime for which he gets a pardon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrock2310 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Interesting question, & I don't know the answer. What I do know is he previously plead guilty of a crime (twice) that landed him in jail in the first place. To be pardoned doesn’t exonerate, but rather usurps justice, unless the pardoned in question can be proven not guilty, or even innocent in some cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calguy Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Getting a pardon from an impeached lame duck president does not make Michael Flynn any less of a traitor to his country. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scout Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 15 minutes ago, calguy said: Getting a pardon from an impeached lame duck president does not make Michael Flynn any less of a traitor to his country. He has ruined his professional credentials with all but corrupt Republicans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 17 minutes ago, calguy said: Getting a pardon from an impeached lame duck president does not make Michael Flynn any less of a traitor to his country. You guys are so gullible. There should be an intelligence test for lefties in order to vote. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROG62 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 35 minutes ago, Dontlooknow said: But he already had admitted guilt. To what, lying? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EltonJohnson Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 50 minutes ago, Dontlooknow said: Yes he did he even admitted it. Retard what did he do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calguy Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, EltonJohnson said: what did he do? If you have to ask the question you'll never comprehend the answer. As someone so eloquently said earlier, Elton knows nothing about everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, EltonJohnson said: what did he do? We should ask him to take the 302 and the FBI notes and show us what question he lied about but all that would happen is a dazed and confused look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slideman Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Flynn lied repeatedly stating that he did not discuss sanctions with kislyak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EltonJohnson Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 22 minutes ago, calguy said: If you have to ask the question you'll never comprehend the answer. As someone so eloquently said earlier, Elton knows nothing about everything. I know the case I was asking you to explain to show how dumb this case is for libs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EltonJohnson Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 22 minutes ago, Huey said: We should ask him to take the 302 and the FBI notes and show us what question he lied about but all that would happen is a dazed and confused look. They don't even know why they hate Flynn. Flynn used to be Obama's boi... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, EltonJohnson said: They don't even know why they hate Flynn. Flynn used to be Obama's boi... only because they were told to, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slideman Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 minute ago, EltonJohnson said: They don't even know why they hate Flynn. Flynn used to be Obama's boi... Until he began inventing falsehoods which became known as Flynn facts. Obama is not fond of falsehoods. Commentary: Flynn facts: a threat to national security https://www.reuters.com/article/us-flynn-national-security-commentary/commentary-flynn-facts-a-threat-to-national-security-idUSKBN15S28E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmurT Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Scout said: Question: Doesn't Gen. Flynn have to admit guilt for any crime for which he gets a pardon? This is a pretty dumb question, considering the tens of thousands of citizens convicted of crimes they never committed ---especially those who were then pardoned for those convictions, but not those crimes--- since they never took responsibility for the crime they're accuseed of. So once again, one of you lunatic's deranged hatred for President Trump, caused you to create a nonsensical discussion thread where you embarassed your own intelligence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROG62 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 12 hours ago, Huey said: We should ask him to take the 302 and the FBI notes and show us what question he lied about but all that would happen is a dazed and confused look. Not new being they're nothing but mouth breathers anyways... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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