What is the role of government?

[PhilipIV]

I don't think many people ask themselves this question. Do people really have no foundation for their political philosophy nor can they follow any principles. They just parrot whatever their trusted experts say at the time.

 

So how many people can give a covers response to this sort of meta question? In your opinion...why do humans do this government thing in the first place and what should its purpose be?

[Zaro]

11 minutes ago, PhilipIV said:

I don't think many people ask themselves this question. Do people really have no foundation for their political philosophy nor can they follow any principles. They just parrot whatever their trusted experts say at the time.

 

So how many people can give a covers response to this sort of meta question? In your opinion...why do humans do this government thing in the first place and what should its purpose be?

^^ thinks gov role is to look at his ancestry and award him the million dollar prize

[PhilipIV]

3 minutes ago, Zaro said:

^^ thinks gov role is to look at his ancestry and award him the million dollar prize

No...that is stupid

[Zaro]

1 minute ago, PhilipIV said:

No...that is stupid

You are stupid

[rippy38]

A local talk show guy here named Phil Valentine pegged this over a decade ago...

 

"Government is there to do only what the private sector won't, can't, or shouldn't do."

[PhilipIV]

1 minute ago, Zaro said:

You are stupid

Well you can't even answer the question but instead feel inclined to attack me with some strawman.

 

I find it amusing that you seem to care so much about politics but cannot say what you believ3 the role of government is. Like you never that it would be important to work that out?

 

You aren't a serious thinker.

[Zaro]

Just now, PhilipIV said:

Well you can't even answer the question but instead feel inclined to attack me with some strawman.

 

I find it amusing that you seem to care so much about politics but cannot say what you believ3 the role of government is. Like you never that it would be important to work that out?

 

You aren't a serious thinker.

I don't do fucking racists

 

Next

[PhilipIV]

1 minute ago, rippy38 said:

A local talk show guy here named Phil Valentine pegged this over a decade ago...

 

"Government is there to do only what the private sector won't, can't, or shouldn't do."

What if the private sector is totally willing and able to replace the government?

 

Whether they should becomes a bit of an irrelevant question if the government cannot stop it.

 

But I suppose the that the private sector should not do is your answer to what government should do.i just don't know what it is.

[PhilipIV]

1 minute ago, Zaro said:

I don't do fucking racists

 

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Well you did. You hopped on this thread just to show everyone what an idiot you are. Other than that you contributed nothing.

[PhilipIV]

2 minutes ago, Zaro said:

I don't do fucking racists

 

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I also don't think you could ever define what a racist is. That is another funny thing about you.

[BatteryPowered]

See Article I, Section 8.

 

Nothing more.

 

[Scout]

25 minutes ago, PhilipIV said:

I don't think many people ask themselves this question. Do people really have no foundation for their political philosophy nor can they follow any principles. They just parrot whatever their trusted experts say at the time.

 

So how many people can give a covers response to this sort of meta question? In your opinion...why do humans do this government thing in the first place and what should its purpose be?

 

Interesting question, Phillip, and I thank you for asking it in such a civilized fashion  😎😘

 

I have not dwelled on this question very deeply..... I will start with a simplistic:   "To do what would not be done or would be done more poorly were the gov't not involved".  

 

I anticipate some problems when you get to the "welfare" wording in the constitution.

[Scout]

13 minutes ago, rippy38 said:

A local talk show guy here named Phil Valentine pegged this over a decade ago...

 

"Government is there to do only what the private sector won't, can't, or shouldn't do."

Which really doesn't limit the gov't in any way.  

[PhilipIV]

3 minutes ago, Scout said:

 

Interesting question, Phillip, and I thank you for asking it in such a civilized fashion  😎😘

 

I have not dwelled on this question very deeply..... I will start with a simplistic:   "To do what would not be done or would be done more poorly were the gov't not involved".  

 

I anticipate some problems when you get to the "welfare" wording in the constitution.

But your answer implies something must be done. What is that?

[Scout]

1 minute ago, PhilipIV said:

But your answer implies something must be done. What is that?

I don't understand your question..... 

 

[PhilipIV]

1 minute ago, Scout said:

I don't understand your question..... 

 

Well you said ' To do what would not be done or done more poorly'...

 

But I don't see why anything must be done at all, from such an answer.

[BatteryPowered]

14 minutes ago, Scout said:

I will start with a simplistic:   "To do what would not be done or would be done more poorly were the gov't not involved".  

 

Who defines "poorly"?  Besides, just because something isn't currently being done, doesn't mean it should be done.

 

[PhilipIV]

15 minutes ago, BatteryPowered said:

See Article I, Section 8.

 

Nothing more.

 

Seems extremely vaguely worded to me

[PhilipIV]

10 minutes ago, Scout said:

I don't understand your question..... 

 

Like another way of asking what the role of government is would be 'What must the government do?'

 

And you are kinda answering 'The government should do what it should do'.

[BatteryPowered]

3 minutes ago, PhilipIV said:

Seems extremely vaguely worded to me

 

Then maybe you should read it;

 

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

[Zaro]

24 minutes ago, PhilipIV said:

Well you did. You hopped on this thread just to show everyone what an idiot you are. Other than that you contributed nothing.

You are so fucking stupid, you don't know where you are at. Hello Philip, this is LF

[PhilipIV]

8 minutes ago, BatteryPowered said:

 

Then maybe you should read it;

 

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

But many of these terms are not defined. What is the ' United states', for example?

 

A people? An economic zone? What?

[BatteryPowered]

2 minutes ago, PhilipIV said:

But many of these terms are not defined. What is the ' United states', for example?

 

A people? An economic zone? What?

 

You really need a definition of The United States?  If so...attempting any discussion with you is a waste of time.

 

[PhilipIV]

11 minutes ago, Zaro said:

You are so fucking stupid, you don't know where you are at. Hello Philip, this is LF

Again you made a baseless assumption and you also didn't make a point.i don't believe that philosophical questions are violating any rules here. Do you?

[Scout]

11 minutes ago, PhilipIV said:

Well you said ' To do what would not be done or done more poorly'...

 

But I don't see why anything must be done at all, from such an answer.

 

If that is the case, then why did the gov't have to construct the interstate highway system?

Why hadn't private enterprise built it already?

Why have we had starvation and poverty in our country if private interests are taking care of it?