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Some years ago , I recall speaking with some elderly Germans who had actually attended   Hitler  rallies before and during the war.. One related how he and some of his tough guy buddies would stand out in the cold drizzle night for hours waiting to hear Hitler speak.. Despite their tough guy reps , they would break down in tears screaming Heil Hitler.. 

One instance ,after spending hours in the rain and ,after the speech had ended hours earlier ,one of the them still couldn't stop screaming Seig Heil ,as he walked all the way home for hours in the rain.. 

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2 minutes ago, Toldya said:

The trick is to stir up emotions to the point where they override a person's ability to think clearly.

This is how fascism works.

 Fascism has many sides to it and works in many different ways. The USA may well be one of the major fascist nations in the world. but you would never know it.

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2 minutes ago, falconduler said:

 Fascism has many sides to it and works in many different ways. The USA may well be one of the major fascist nations in the world. but you would never know it.

 

Yeah, I agree. Obviously, nobody would come out and say 'I'm running as a Nazi' or 'I believe in fascism' and have any hopes of being elected. They would embrace as much of the ideology as they could while still maintaining a plausible amount of deniability.

 

Trump has demonstrated just how quickly the US can move towards fascism without alienating the majority. As long as you keep everyone disoriented and unfocused while feeding them fear and outrage and paranoia, you can do it and people will still support you. I think the genie is out of the bottle now.

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7 minutes ago, Toldya said:

 

Yeah, I agree. Obviously, nobody would come out and say 'I'm running as a Nazi' or 'I believe in fascism' and have any hopes of being elected. They would embrace as much of the ideology as they could while still maintaining a plausible amount of deniability.

 

Trump has demonstrated just how quickly the US can move towards fascism without alienating the majority. As long as you keep everyone disoriented and unfocused while feeding them fear and outrage and paranoia, you can do it and people will still support you. I think the genie is out of the bottle now.

 fascist symbols appear in US capital and many state capitals and legislatures.. .. someone once told me that Hitler gave Fascism a bad name.. 

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2 hours ago, Toldya said:

The trick is to stir up emotions to the point where they override a person's ability to think clearly.

This is how fascism works.

The only fascism in this country is brought to us by the left, dumbass. 

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3 hours ago, Toldya said:

The trick is to stir up emotions to the point where they override a person's ability to think clearly.

This is how fascism works.

 

 

Thats not fascism.    Jesus Christ.

 

fascism is about wielding government power over citizens .. something Trump never did , and you continue to push lies anyway. 

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39 minutes ago, EltonJohnson said:

 

 

Holy shit..  it’s nothing but lies from them. 

They heard it from some crazed pundit. They call Trump a Nazi, racist, fascist with literally zero evidence to back up their rhetoric. It’s really pathetic. 

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6 minutes ago, EltonJohnson said:

 

 

Thats not fascism.    Jesus Christ.

 

fascism is about wielding government power over citizens .

 

I didn't say it WAS fascism, I said it was how it WORKS, as in, it's a way that fascists gain power.

And what you're describing is totalitarianism/authoritarianism.

 

https://www.thoughtco.com/totalitarianism-authoritarianism-fascism-4147699

 

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The Foundations of Fascism

 

The foundation of fascism is a combination of ultranationalism—an extreme devotion to one’s nation over all others—along with a widely held belief among the people that the nation must and will be somehow saved or “reborn.” Rather than working for concrete solutions to economic, political, and social problems, fascist rulers divert the peoples’ focus, while winning public support, by elevating the idea of a need for a national rebirth into a virtual religion. To this end, fascists encourage the growth of cults of national unity and racial purity.

In pre-World War II Europe, fascists movements tended to promote the belief that non-Europeans were genetically inferior to non-Europeans. This passion for racial purity often led fascist leaders to undertake mandatory genetic modification programs intended to create a pure “national race” through selective breeding.

Historically, the primary function of fascist regimes has been to maintain the nation in a constant state of readiness for war. Fascists observed how rapid, mass military mobilizations during World War I blurred the lines between the roles of civilians and combatants. Drawing on those experiences, fascist rulers strive to create a rabidly nationalistic culture of “military citizenship” in which all citizens are willing and prepared to take on some military duties during times of war, including actual combat.

In addition, fascists view democracy and the electoral process as an obsolete and unnecessary obstacle to maintaining constant military readiness. They also consider a totalitarian, one-party state as the key to preparing the nation for war and its resulting economic and social hardships.

Today, few governments publicly describe themselves as fascist. Instead, the label is more often used pejoratively by those critical of particular governments or leaders. The term “neo-fascist," for example, describes governments or individuals espousing radical, far-right political ideologies similar to those of the World War II fascist states.

 

 

 

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49 minutes ago, EltonJohnson said:

 

 

Damn... you are clueless.  Obama was a fascist, so was FDR 

 

trump is a libertarian.

 

Libertarians don't impose shitloads of tariffs on things, dumbfuck.

 

No, he fits the definition almost perfectly.

If he had gotten a second term (or if he overturns this election), he would have gotten worse.

 

https://www.thoughtco.com/totalitarianism-authoritarianism-fascism-4147699

 

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The Foundations of Fascism

 

The foundation of fascism is a combination of ultranationalism—an extreme devotion to one’s nation over all others (AMERICA FIRST)

 

—along with a widely held belief among the people that the nation must and will be somehow saved or “reborn.” (MAGA)

 

Rather than working for concrete solutions to economic, political, and social problems, fascist rulers divert the peoples’ focus, while winning public support, by elevating the idea of a need for a national rebirth into a virtual religion. (THE MAGA CULT AND DRAIN THE SWAMP)

 

To this end, fascists encourage the growth of cults of national unity and racial purity.(Fine people on both sides, rapists and murderers, Muslim bans, etc)

 

In pre-World War II Europe, fascists movements tended to promote the belief that non-Europeans were genetically inferior to non-Europeans. This passion for racial purity often led fascist leaders to undertake mandatory genetic modification programs intended to create a pure “national race” through selective breeding.

Historically, the primary function of fascist regimes has been to maintain the nation in a constant state of readiness for war. (tearing up nuclear treaties, modernizing the arsenal, pumping even more money into the military)

 

Fascists observed how rapid, mass military mobilizations during World War I blurred the lines between the roles of civilians and combatants. Drawing on those experiences, fascist rulers strive to create a rabidly nationalistic culture of “military citizenship” in which all citizens are willing and prepared to take on some military duties during times of war, including actual combat.

In addition, fascists view democracy and the electoral process as an obsolete and unnecessary obstacle to maintaining constant military readiness. They also consider a totalitarian, one-party state as the key to preparing the nation for war and its resulting economic and social hardships. (trade war, everyone else is always exploiting poor USA)

 

Today, few governments publicly describe themselves as fascist. Instead, the label is more often used pejoratively by those critical of particular governments or leaders. The term “neo-fascist," for example, describes governments or individuals espousing radical, far-right political ideologies similar to those of the World War II fascist states.

 

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13 minutes ago, Toldya said:

Libertarians don't impose shitloads of tariffs on things, dumbfuck.

 

 

They absolutely do when they are combatting other countries tariffs.   What do you even know about libertarianism?   Or the unfair trade policies he campaigned on and delivered?

 

13 minutes ago, Toldya said:

he fits the definition almost perfectly.

 

 

He doesnt fit it all.    Trump has forced none of us to do anything.     Has he forced other countries to play ball on his terms?   Damn right.  That’s is his job.

 

 

13 minutes ago, Toldya said:

if he overturns this election

 

 

This obvious fraud election?

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14 minutes ago, EltonJohnson said:

They absolutely do when they are combatting other countries tariffs.   What do you even know about libertarianism?   Or the unfair trade policies he campaigned on and delivered?

 

What do you know about Germany in the 1930s, when they all saw themselves as victims of the Treaty of Versailles and decided to embrace Hitler? Obviously the biggest economy in the world, the one that has basically colonized the entire world is a victim... how could it not be?

 

16 minutes ago, EltonJohnson said:

He doesnt fit it all.    Trump has forced none of us to do anything.     Has he forced other countries to play ball on his terms?   Damn right.  That’s is his job.

 

He HAS forced people to accept his policies, despite the fact that they're EXTREMELY unpopular with over HALF of the population. And he has manipulated everyone else into rabidly defending them by tapping into RWNJ paranoia. 

 

And he has made everything worse. He has pushed other countries towards China. He has alienated allies like Germany and Japan. He has made terrible trade deals simply because they're 'new' and he can claim them as PR wins.

 

'Lock her up' isn't REALLY about Hilary's 'crimes', it's about imprisoning a political opponent... the same with 'Obamagate'.

'Election fraud' isn't REALLY about fraud, it's about overturning the will of the people.

'Fake news' isn't REALLY about fake news, it's about undermining anyone who would try to hold Trump accountable.

He isn't even trying to hide the fact that he thinks the SCOTUS will overturn the election simply because he appointed 3 justices.

 

This is why he's ALWAYS right about absolutely EVERYTHING, and you are always given reasons to DEFEND him. It's all so fucking transparent, but because you've sunk so much time and effort into it, you're incapable of accepting reality.

 

 

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Just now, Toldya said:

 

Obama was a nationalist??

He valued racial purity?

 

LOL no.

 

 

Obama is a racist and anti American, he is also a fascist.   Fascism is not actually defined correctly as nationalist, that is an attempt by the left to mischaracterize it.  It’s old goes back to Ancient Rome 

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3 minutes ago, EltonJohnson said:

 

 

Obama is a racist and anti American, he is also a fascist.   Fascism is not actually defined correctly as nationalist, that is an attempt by the left to mischaracterize it.  It’s old goes back to Ancient Rome 

 

Nationalism is a component of fascism you stupid piece of shit.

I've already showed you a definition but you're too fucking lazy to even read it, and too fucking pigheaded to accept it.

 

I'm done with you.

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5 minutes ago, Toldya said:

'Lock her up' isn't REALLY about Hilary's 'crimes',

 

 

It was exactly that.   

 

5 minutes ago, Toldya said:

crimes', it's about imprisoning a political opponent... the same with 'Obamagate'.

 

 

Obamagate is real.   He spied on Trump illegally.  Biden is corrupt and the laptop proved it.   

 

 

7 minutes ago, Toldya said:

'Fake news' isn't REALLY about fake news, it's about undermining anyone who would try to hold Trump accountable.

 

 

Wrong, the fake news is fake.   They print lies and when caugh print retractions after the fact.  Trump has nothing to be held accountable for.   He is great, you are a fool who supports the ruling class.  

 

8 minutes ago, Toldya said:

He isn't even trying to hide the fact that he thinks the SCOTUS will overturn the election simply because he appointed 3 justices.

 

 

The election is getting more fucked by the hour.  

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6 minutes ago, Toldya said:

 

You quote 8 words from my post and think you've debunked it.

Talking to you is such a waste of time.

 

You are such a fucking loser.

 

 

 

Your statement is asinine.   You can’t refute tha he hasn’t forced anyone to do anything, so you make up shit like “well he forced us to accept his policies”.  

 

 

He was elected to make policy you fool.   

 

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