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Florida Amendment 2. Raise Minimum Wage
Raises the minimum wage to $10.00 per hour effective September 30th, 2021 and then increases it annually by $1.00 per hour until the minimum wage reaches $15.00 per hour in 2026 and then reverts back to being adjusted annually for inflation.
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  60.8% 6,377,444
 
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  39.2% 4,111,094
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8 minutes ago, Scout said:
Florida Amendment 2. Raise Minimum Wage
Raises the minimum wage to $10.00 per hour effective September 30th, 2021 and then increases it annually by $1.00 per hour until the minimum wage reaches $15.00 per hour in 2026 and then reverts back to being adjusted annually for inflation.
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Yes
  60.8% 6,377,444
 
No
  39.2% 4,111,094

Urban sprawl does it again. Why democaries fail every time as ancestrally repeated for thousands of years so far.

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The Fed deliberately does its best to maintain an annual inflation rate  of 2-3%.  This means that everyone making the minimum wage takes a  2 to 3%  cut in buying power annually. So by the time the FL minimum rises to $15,that $15 will be  $14 and change.

The government does not try to control the prices of rent,food, electricity,  and other needed services.

The present scheduled inflation is an institutionalized impoverishment of the poorest Americans,and I voted for the $15 raise because of this.

Because understand how the system screws the poor systematically.

 

Silly sole blames "urban sprawl" for this. He cannot explain how, he just likes the sound of it.

There are NO systems of human governance that are permanent.

The system that tries the hardest to prevent change is prescribed by the Koran, by the way.

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29 minutes ago, sole result said:

Urban sprawl does it again.

 

Actually made a good point ... for once.

 

Inner city moves out to the suburbs, because they kill their own neighborhoods and they are no longer safe.

 

Government pays for them to move, through Section 8, which now destroys the neighborhoods they are moving to.

 

Cycle repeats itself, until there are no safe, livable areas within a 50 mile radius of any major city in America.

 

Corporations move in to try and help clean things up so that people can have a safe place to live, and are accused of gentrification.

 

Welcome to the United States ... enjoy.

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1 hour ago, whiteboy said:

 

Actually made a good point ... for once.

 

Inner city moves out to the suburbs, because they kill their own neighborhoods and they are no longer safe.

 

Government pays for them to move, through Section 8, which now destroys the neighborhoods they are moving to.

 

Cycle repeats itself, until there are no safe, livable areas within a 50 mile radius of any major city in America.

 

Corporations move in to try and help clean things up so that people can have a safe place to live, and are accused of gentrification.

 

Welcome to the United States ... enjoy.

Reality governs corrupted in socially engineered outcomes last generation in, next generation corrupting out.  What is the historical missing link?  Every generation ignores life is physically limited to mutually evolving replacements so far.

 

You stay in character as well as everyone else you blame while sticking with shaming and flaming anyone suggesting how life actually works in plain sight.

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3 minutes ago, whiteboy said:

 

Actually made a good point ... for once.

 

Inner city moves out to the suburbs, because they kill their own neighborhoods and they are no longer safe.

 

Government pays for them to move, through Section 8, which now destroys the neighborhoods they are moving to.

 

Cycle repeats itself, until there are no safe, livable areas within a 50 mile radius of any major city in America.

 

Corporations move in to try and help clean things up so that people can have a safe place to live, and are accused of gentrification.

 

Welcome to the United States ... enjoy.

As long as people are given things they didn't earn, they will never respect what they are give.

 

Section 8 housing is a prime example.

 

Most reduced or "free" housing is destroyed by the tenants within a decade.

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13 minutes ago, whiteboy said:

 

Actually made a good point ... for once.

 

Inner city moves out to the suburbs, because they kill their own neighborhoods and they are no longer safe.

 

Government pays for them to move, through Section 8, which now destroys the neighborhoods they are moving to.

 

Cycle repeats itself, until there are no safe, livable areas within a 50 mile radius of any major city in America.

 

Corporations move in to try and help clean things up so that people can have a safe place to live, and are accused of gentrification.

 

Welcome to the United States ... enjoy.

Tax laws inflate the price of all housing, both prices and rent.

Tax laws also allow those moving into new  homes in the suburbs to deduct the interest on their mortgages.

Neither of these is any sort of "free market", because of government interference.

 

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16 minutes ago, whiteboy said:

 

Actually made a good point ... for once.

 

Inner city moves out to the suburbs, because they kill their own neighborhoods and they are no longer safe.

 

Government pays for them to move, through Section 8, which now destroys the neighborhoods they are moving to.

 

Cycle repeats itself, until there are no safe, livable areas within a 50 mile radius of any major city in America.

 

Corporations move in to try and help clean things up so that people can have a safe place to live, and are accused of gentrification.

 

Welcome to the United States ... enjoy.

Tax laws inflate the price of all housing, both prices and rent.

Tax laws also allow those moving into new  homes in the suburbs to deduct the interest on their mortgages.

Neither of these is any sort of "free market", because of government interference.

 

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7 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

Tax laws inflate the price of all housing, both prices and rent.

Tax laws also allow those moving into new  homes in the suburbs to deduct the interest on their mortgages.

Neither of these is any sort of "free market", because of government interference.

 

 

I wasn't talking about tax law, rather Section 8.

 

Learn to read.

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8 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

Tax laws inflate the price of all housing, both prices and rent.

Tax laws also allow those moving into new  homes in the suburbs to deduct the interest on their mortgages.

Neither of these is any sort of "free market", because of government interference.

 

 

Stop repeating yourself.

 

One wrong comment is sufficient ...

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6 minutes ago, whiteboy said:

 

I wasn't talking about tax law, rather Section 8.

 

Learn to read.

This has nothing to do with Section 8.

We have a lot of Section 8 housing here in the Miami Area, some of it is quite nice, some of it is not.

The price of housing is not nearly as affected by Section 8 subsidies as the tax laws regarding mortgages for the upper middle class and rental property.

Here in Miami, no one but the upper middle class can actually buy a home. I am not obliged to accept the crap you post as germane to the discussion.

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21 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

Tax laws inflate the price of all housing, both prices and rent.

Tax laws also allow those moving into new  homes in the suburbs to deduct the interest on their mortgages.

Neither of these is any sort of "free market", because of government interference.

 

 

Until we (the country) decide to stop using our federal tax code to support certain industries and promote various behaviors we will have those issues.  We need to go to a system that is strictly for generating funds for the government and stop the social engineering.

 

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2 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

This has nothing to do with Section 8.

We have a lot of Section 8 housing here in the Miami Area, some of it is quite nice, some of it is not.

The price of housing is not nearly as affected by Section 8 subsidies as the tax laws regarding mortgages for the upper middle class and rental property.

Here in Miami, no one but the upper middle class can actually buy a home. I am not obliged to accept the crap you post as germane to the discussion.

 

Wasn't talking about the price of anything, was talking about the desirability of the neighborhoods.

 

Once Section 8 hits, the neighborhoods go to trash.

 

People who dont work, and dont have to pay their own bills, dont care about taking care of the property.

 

You dont have to be obliged to shit you stupid mother fucker.

 

You make a fool out of yourself every-time you post.

 

66,360 times and counting ...

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24 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

Tax laws inflate the price of all housing, both prices and rent.

Tax laws also allow those moving into new  homes in the suburbs to deduct the interest on their mortgages.

Neither of these is any sort of "free market", because of government interference.

 

Get ready for more of that once the socialists are installed.

 

You advocated for it, so don't complain when you get served a big ol' plate of it.

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2 minutes ago, whiteboy said:

 

Wasn't talking about the price of anything, was talking about the desirability of the neighborhoods.

The discussion is actually about raising the minimum wage, so that the lest well paid people can afford to live indoors, stay warm and dry and not starve. That means that affordable housing is a huge element of the issue of the living wage for all.

 

Once Section 8 hits, the neighborhoods go to trash.

 That is untrue in my experience.

 

People who dont work, and dont have to pay their own bills, dont care about taking care of the property.

People in Section 8 are mostly employed. You are a slave to racist news you follow on Fox and Breitbart.

 

You dont have to be obliged to shit you stupid mother fucker.

I suggest you endeavor to trying not to shit and see how that goes. But that is not really the issue.

 

You make a fool out of yourself every-time you post.

Au contraire.

I am not the one advocating voluntary constipation in a discussion about a $15 minimum wage.

 

 

 

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Wages were going up until this COVID crap. Pretty simple, low unemployment - companies have to battle each other to get the people they want....wages go up. My industry is a perfect example.

 

Conversely, higher unemployment, such as the present situation.....more people than jobs - the dynamics are reversed where people will accept lower pay to remain employed - or gain employment. My industry is a perfect example of this as well.

 

A key factor for the individual is to have a marketable skill. If you’re an adult flipping burgers for a living, that is not a marketable skill. 

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46 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

Tax laws inflate the price of all housing, both prices and rent.

Tax laws also allow those moving into new  homes in the suburbs to deduct the interest on their mortgages.

Neither of these is any sort of "free market", because of government interference.

 

Of course it isn't.  The Real Estate lobby has ALWAYS had tremendous control over the Hill.  

 

I just think it is interesting how such a RED state is adopting liberal policies.  

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51 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

Tax laws inflate the price of all housing, both prices and rent.

Tax laws also allow those moving into new  homes in the suburbs to deduct the interest on their mortgages.

Neither of these is any sort of "free market", because of government interference.

 

That sure looks like a diversion tactic Xavier.  What is a free market beyond giving away one's time mutually evolving so far to play a role in ignoring life is limited to muutally evolving now?

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6 minutes ago, LaughinAtLefty said:

Wages were going up until this COVID crap. Pretty simple, low unemployment - companies have to battle each other to get the people they want....wages go up. My industry is a perfect example.

 

Conversely, higher unemployment, such as the present situation.....more people than jobs - the dynamics are reversed where people will accept lower pay to remain employed - or gain employment. My industry is a perfect example of this as well.

 

A key factor for the individual is to have a marketable skill. If you’re an adult flipping burgers for a living, that is not a marketable skill. 

If people wish to eat burgers flipped by someone else, it is just like people wishing to live in homes built by masons and carpenters. 

Only when people stop demanding a product or service can we say that something is not a marketable skill.  Perhaps buggy whip manufacture is a valid example of a valuable skill. Nearly all of the people at the Checkers where I buy my burgers appear to be adults, and I like the burgers they flip. If they are paid $15 an hour, I suppose I will have to pay a bit more. 

Everyone deserves a living wage. Everyone deserves  to be healthy. Everyone deserves to eat, Everyone deserves to improve themselves with a good education.

A couple of my very first jobs were in food service. It was unpleasant work, and I soon quit and found a better job, and that was because there was a labor shortage at the time.

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I do not expect the real estate and tax laws involving real estate to change. I am simply pointing out that they are by no means a free market. An actual "free market" would be different, but might be even worse.

 

I think that a $15 minimum wage within 4 years is a good idea and that is why I voted for it. If you disagree,  tough shit.

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9 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

I do not expect the real estate and tax laws involving real estate to change. I am simply pointing out that they are by no means a free market. An actual "free market" would be different, but might be even worse.

 

I think that a $15 minimum wage within 4 years is a good idea and that is why I voted for it. If you disagree,  tough shit.

You think life cannot be limited to mutually evolving as reproductively present never staying the same form since added as a fertilized cell or body at birth until decomposed after dead.

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36 minutes ago, PhilipIV said:

i would not call this some great win. 15$/hr is still not enough to live in many parts of florida.

I agree. But $15 will not be the equivalent of $15 in 2020 terms by 2025. Again, inflation is deliberately built into the value of the dollar. The system actually STEALS 2 to 3% of value of the dollar every year. I am not saying that this inflation is unnecessary, by the way. It may be needed to prevent a boom or bust economy.

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9 minutes ago, sole result said:

You think life cannot be limited to mutually evolving as reproductively present never staying the same form since added as a fertilized cell or body at birth until decomposed after dead.

Why do you think you can tell me what I think, sole?

I say you are clueless. All you do is spout silly gibberish.

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5 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

Why do you think you can tell me what I think, sole?

I say you are clueless. All you do is spout silly gibberish.

Because my brain spontaneously alive can empathize with your simultaneous scripted social behavior mind as a type cast personality on the world stage supporting theaters of doubt ancestrally here so far.

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