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As the Woodward tapes reveal, Trump LIED to us and downplayed the danger of the Coronavirus, when he KNEW that the virus was VERY CONTAGIOUS, and that it could be deadly to MANY us.

He says that he lied, because he didn’t want to cause a panic.
That makes PERFECT sense, if you don’t think about it.
But let’s think about it for a minute.
  Are there any flaws in his excuse for lying to us?

Consider these three possible flaws:

#1:
  What happens when we see MILLIONS of people getting sick, and THOUSANDS of people dying?  Answer:  PANIC!

#2: What happens if we don’t know WHY so many people are getting sick and dying?  Answer:  EVEN MORE PANIC!

#3:  As MOST of us know, if you see a problem heading toward a bunch of people, you should WARN those people about it, so that they KNOW it’s coming their way.  IF they know it’s coming their way, they can PREPARE for it.  That will give them a chance to MITIGATE, or AVOID, its harmful effects.

What Trump did is like a weatherman who sees a DEADLY hurricane heading toward Florida, and decides not warn the Floridians, because he doesn’t want to cause a panic.
  (And Trump says he has good judgment.  What a CROCK!)

And now we know that he lied in order to protect the Stock Market.  And we ALSO know that he told the truth to his investor friends, and as a result, they made out BIGLY in the Stock Market.  

Bottom line:  He lied to us for his POLITICAL GAIN.  If the Stock Market looks good, HE looks good.  And RICHER investor friends mean BIGGER campaign donations.  And to H●LL with the American people!  We were on our own.  (Do the terms “low-life” and “human scum” come to mind?  What about “deplorable”?)

Trump’s “Pandemic Panic” scam is FAR worse than his “Trump University” scam.  His “Trump University” scam cost many people their hard-earned money.  But, his “Pandemic Panic” scam cost MANY MORE people their livelihoods and their lives.   
 

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On 11/1/2020 at 5:50 PM, theLion said:

your scenario is too complicated. tRump isn’t that smart. 
 

I think it’s simpler than that. 
 

tRump is too much of a coward to face his responsibility. 

Trump is plugging herd immunity. That is simply capitalism's response to a pandemic. And the cons were worried about death panels at one time. Figure that

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1 hour ago, Zaro said:

Trump is plugging herd immunity. That is simply capitalism's response to a pandemic. And the cons were worried about death panels at one time. Figure that

 

With due respect, Trump's embrace of a cull of millions of Americans--one that would be futile as no virus had ever been eliminated as a result of immunity though mass infection (real herd immunity could come via vaccinations) has nothing to do with the logic of capitalism.

 

Trumpism isn't a "capitalist response." It is a fascist response.

 

Bill 

 

 

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1 hour ago, SpyCar said:

 

With due respect, Trump's embrace of a cull of millions of Americans--one that would be futile as no virus had ever been eliminated as a result of immunity though mass infection (real herd immunity could come via vaccinations) has nothing to do with the logic of capitalism.

 

Trumpism isn't a "capitalist response." It is a fascist response.

 

Bill 

 

 

The logic of capitalism is similar to fascism - survival of the fittest. Take the corruption of science in regard to climate change, simply follow the money and you see who benefits. And it ain't any nation state. 

 

Trump doesn't have a coherent political philosophy. It's whatever benefits him personally. If he had one, he would have gone into politics a long time ago, not waited until he was flat broke

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On 11/1/2020 at 7:20 AM, RedStone7476 said:

As the Woodward tapes reveal, Trump LIED to us and downplayed the danger of the Coronavirus, when he KNEW that the virus was VERY CONTAGIOUS, and that it could be deadly to MANY us.

He says that he lied, because he didn’t want to cause a panic.
That makes PERFECT sense, if you don’t think about it.
But let’s think about it for a minute.
  Are there any flaws in his excuse for lying to us?

Consider these three possible flaws:

#1:
  What happens when we see MILLIONS of people getting sick, and THOUSANDS of people dying?  Answer:  PANIC!

#2: What happens if we don’t know WHY so many people are getting sick and dying?  Answer:  EVEN MORE PANIC!

#3:  As MOST of us know, if you see a problem heading toward a bunch of people, you should WARN those people about it, so that they KNOW it’s coming their way.  IF they know it’s coming their way, they can PREPARE for it.  That will give them a chance to MITIGATE, or AVOID, its harmful effects.

What Trump did is like a weatherman who sees a DEADLY hurricane heading toward Florida, and decides not warn the Floridians, because he doesn’t want to cause a panic.
  (And Trump says he has good judgment.  What a CROCK!)

And now we know that he lied in order to protect the Stock Market.  And we ALSO know that he told the truth to his investor friends, and as a result, they made out BIGLY in the Stock Market.  

Bottom line:  He lied to us for his POLITICAL GAIN.  If the Stock Market looks good, HE looks good.  And RICHER investor friends mean BIGGER campaign donations.  And to H●LL with the American people!  We were on our own.  (Do the terms “low-life” and “human scum” come to mind?  What about “deplorable”?)

Trump’s “Pandemic Panic” scam is FAR worse than his “Trump University” scam.  His “Trump University” scam cost many people their hard-earned money.  But, his “Pandemic Panic” scam cost MANY MORE people their livelihoods and their lives.   
 

It has only to work till after he gets a second term. Trump doesn't give a shit. He knows his base doesn't either. They open wide to swallow any crap

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53 minutes ago, Zaro said:

The logic of capitalism is similar to fascism - survival of the fittest. Take the corruption of science in regard to climate change, simply follow the money and you see who benefits. And it ain't any nation state. 

 

Trump doesn't have a coherent political philosophy. It's whatever benefits him personally. If he had one, he would have gone into politics a long time ago, not waiting until he flat broke

 

No. You're wrong. Every liberal society on earth--including the social democracies of Europe--embraces capitalism. Liberalism and capitalism are inextricably linked.

 

You are attacking the wrong target. 

 

Trump is a fascist and like other fascist leaders has a narcissistic personality disorder with sociopathic tendencies. Like all these nasty traits with "populism" and one faces a real threat.

 

It seems we have very narrowly defeated him. But no time to turn the guns on a fundamental part of liberalism. Trump is a kleptocrat not a capitalist.

 

Bill 

 

 

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1 hour ago, SpyCar said:

 

No. You're wrong. Every liberal society on earth--including the social democracies of Europe--embraces capitalism. Liberalism and capitalism are inextricably linked.

 

You are attacking the wrong target. 

 

Trump is a fascist and like other fascist leaders has a narcissistic personality disorder with sociopathic tendencies. Like all these nasty traits with "populism" and one faces a real threat.

 

It seems we have very narrowly defeated him. But no time to turn the guns on a fundamental part of liberalism. Trump is a kleptocrat not a capitalist.

 

Bill 

 

 

He ain't a fascist. Fascism is about national unity, and Trump is basically only successful because he is furthering already existing divisions. It's like - vote for me, it's gonna piss the libtards off. 

Why is capitalism embraced. Cause it has the capital to silence any other alternative. Capitalism only works with lots of checks on it's base instincts, which boils down to - I got mine and fugg you. Every yahoo in this country fancies himself a capitalist, even if they don't have a pot to piss in. Just look at the wealth gap

 

With regard to Covid, he's gotta be against what the libtards are for. What kind of cult leader would he be if he were to admit that the libtards are right

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1 hour ago, Zaro said:

He ain't a fascist. Fascism is about national unity, and Trump is basically only successful because he is furthering already existing divisions. It's like - vote for me, it's gonna piss the libtards off. 

Why is capitalism embraced. Cause it has the capital to silence any other alternative. Capitalism only works with lots of checks on it's base instincts, which boils down to - I got mine and fugg you. Every yahoo in this country fancies himself a capitalist, even if they don't have a pot to piss in. Just look at the wealth gap

 

With regard to Covid, he's gotta be against what the libtards are for. What kind of cult leader would he be if he were to admit that the libtards are right

 

The left-wingers who were killed by fascists in Spain, Italy, and Germany might disagree with your notion that fascism is about unity--if they weren't dead.

 

Bill

 

 

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51 minutes ago, SpyCar said:

 

The left-wingers who were killed by fascists in Spain, Italy, and Germany might disagree with your notion that fascism is about unity--if they weren't dead.

 

Bill

 

 

Fascism is capitalism plus murder

 

Upton Sinclair

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2 minutes ago, Zaro said:

Fascism is capitalism plus murder

 

Upton Sinclair

 

On this front, Upton Sinclair was wrong.

 

Capitalism is fundamental to liberalism. Ask Elizabeth "I'm a capitalist to my bones" Warren.

 

Trump isn't a capitalist, he's a kleptocrat.

 

Bill

 

 

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On 11/4/2020 at 3:01 PM, SpyCar said:

Liberalism and capitalism are inextricably linked.

 

Exactly.  

 

As for Trump, I don't think he has an ideological bone in his body, of any stripe.   He cares no more for economic systems than he does rules or truth.  Trump's ideology:  'What's in it for me?  What can I get away with?'

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4 hours ago, Renegade said:

 

Exactly.  

 

As for Trump, I don't think he has an ideological bone in his body, of any stripe.   He cares no more for economic systems than he does rules or truth.  Trump's ideology:  'What's in it for me?  What can I get away with?'

 

I believe that Trump is a fascist, but--as you suggest--this isn't really a fascism born of deep ideological thinking (the man is incapable of such thinking), rather is is an outgrowth of his infantile narcissism.

 

It is his "nature."

 

Bill

 

 

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23 hours ago, Renegade said:

 

Exactly.  

 

As for Trump, I don't think he has an ideological bone in his body, of any stripe.   He cares no more for economic systems than he does rules or truth.  Trump's ideology:  'What's in it for me?  What can I get away with?'

Wrong.

 

Capitalism is inextricably linked to Americanism. And look at us now. Basically a failed state. Half the country howling for more Trump because they feel they done everything right and ended up with the short end of the stick. Real wages stuck back in the sixties or somewhere. They don't trust anything about government and think, really think there are dark forces at work. And those mofos are scared of people like AOC, because she actually LEARNED something from history.

As for Trump, you are right on point. He's a psychopath. 

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13 hours ago, Zaro said:

Capitalism is inextricably linked to Americanism.

 

You can have capitalism without 'Americanism'.  Capitalism is the dominant economic system all over the world, even in places that explicitly reject Americanism.  But, if you're saying Americans are deeply and inescapably capitalist, then I agree with you.

 

13 hours ago, Zaro said:

Basically a failed state.

 

How exactly how is America a "failed state"?   A failed state is one where the institutions of government no longer function properly.  I'm not seeing that at all.  

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14 hours ago, Zaro said:

Wrong.

 

Capitalism is inextricably linked to Americanism. And look at us now. Basically a failed state. Half the country howling for more Trump because they feel they done everything right and ended up with the short end of the stick. Real wages stuck back in the sixties or somewhere. They don't trust anything about government and think, really think there are dark forces at work. And those mofos are scared of people like AOC, because she actually LEARNED something from history.

As for Trump, you are right on point. He's a psychopath. 

 

The United States is a far as it comes from a failed state. Our institutions just held despite the fact that a guy who is clearly a fascist--and one who had dictatorial ambitions--is about to be tossed out on his ass. That's not what happens in failed states.

 

People are right to fear AOC, she's an unalloyed socialist and a nit-wit. AOC and the specter of "socialism" cost us Florida. She does not represent the future of the Democratic Party. If you want to talk about failed ideologies, socialism ranks with fascism at the top of the heap.

 

Bill 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Renegade said:

 

 

You can have capitalism without 'Americanism'.  Capitalism is the dominant economic system all over the world, even in places that explicitly reject Americanism.  But, if you're saying Americans are deeply and inescapably capitalist, then I agree with you.

 

 

How exactly how is America a "failed state"?   A failed state is one where the institutions of government no longer function properly.  I'm not seeing that at all.  

Most other nations have checks on capitalism.

 

Failed in the sense that we can't put a check on it. Our representatives represent corporate interests, which exploit and impoverish us. Through gerrymandering and other scams they pick their voters. 

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3 minutes ago, Zaro said:

Most other nations have checks on capitalism.

 

Failed in the sense that we can't put a check on it. Our representatives represent corporate interests, which exploit and impoverish us. Through gerrymandering and other scams they pick their voters. 

 

Socialist states have checks on nothing. They are all either authoritarian or totalitarian. 

 

All the liberal social democracies have advanced capitalist economies. Every. Single. One.

 

We can do more to spread opportunity, justice, and opportunity, but embracing populism and/or socialism is a dangerous and anti-liberal path.

 

Bill

 

 

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1 minute ago, SpyCar said:

 

Socialist states have checks on nothing. They are all either authoritarian or totalitarian. 

 

All the liberal social democracies have advanced capitalist economies. Every. Single. One.

 

We can do more to spread opportunity, justice, and opportunity, but embracing populism and/or socialism is a dangerous and anti-liberal path.

 

Bill

 

 

What's a socialist state to you? Where people can afford to go see a doctor? Where higher education is free? Where wages keep up with inflation? Where they don't have financial sharks too big to fail?

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5 minutes ago, Zaro said:

What's a socialist state to you? Where people can afford to go see a doctor? Where higher education is free? Where wages keep up with inflation? Where they don't have financial sharks too big to fail?

 

No. None of those things are the litmus test of what makes for a socialist state.

 

The capitalist liberal social democracies are NOT socialist states. Every socialist state is a nightmare that truncates the human rights of its citizens, while often being economics nightmares as well.

 

You are not being intellectually honest.

 

Bill

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2 hours ago, SpyCar said:

 

The United States is a far as it comes from a failed state.

 

 

The very fact that a yahoo like Trump got elected and almost reelected by millions of people makes my point. And he's not the sickness, but the symptom of the underlying sickness

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6 minutes ago, Zaro said:

The very fact that a yahoo like Trump got elected and almost reelected by millions of people makes my point. And he's not the sickness, but the symptom of the underlying sickness

 

No. Not really. The true test of a society and its strength doesn't rest on whether bad people come to power--as such things are almost inevitable, human nature being what it is.

 

The real test is whether there are institutions in place that constrain a would-be despot. We faced a grave challenge. Our institutions  were threatened, undermined, and sorely tested--but they held. Donald J Trump didn't win. He is a loser.

 

The nation held firm. We endured him and will go on to rebuild from the damage he inflicted. There is progress to be made. That's for certain. We are strong. We can do it.

 

Bill

 

 

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6 hours ago, SpyCar said:

 

No. Not really. The true test of a society and its strength doesn't rest on whether bad people come to power--as such things are almost inevitable, human nature being what it is.

 

The real test is whether there are institutions in place that constrain a would-be despot. We faced a grave challenge. Our institutions  were threatened, undermined, and sorely tested--but they held. Donald J Trump didn't win. He is a loser.

 

The nation held firm. We endured him and will go on to rebuild from the damage he inflicted. There is progress to be made. That's for certain. We are strong. We can do it.

 

Bill

 

 

Come on Bill, gimme another canned speech. You can do it

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On 11/7/2020 at 9:00 PM, Zaro said:

Most other nations have checks on capitalism.

 

As do we.   We could have more robust anti-trust enforcement and fewer tax loopholes, but I don't see how you could think that our capitalism is unchecked.  Go read a few thousand pages of banking regulations and then tell me there are no checks on capitalism.

 

On 11/7/2020 at 9:00 PM, Zaro said:

Failed in the sense that we can't put a check on it. Our representatives represent corporate interests, which exploit and impoverish us. Through gerrymandering and other scams they pick their voters. 

 

Our representatives represent the people who vote for them.  If they don't, they get voted out.  If you don't believe me, ask Martha McSally or Cory Gardner.  We are not impoverished.  

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