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In the last election (and this one), Michigan had 16 electoral votes

from its 9.9 million people in the 2010 census.  

 

TRUMP (votes and percentage)

 
2,279,543            
47.59%
 

 

CLINTON

 

2,268,839            
47.36%

 

So, Trump received 100% of the 16 electoral votes

and Hillary received NONE.  Nearly the same number

of voters picked Hillary, but they gave her none of the

EC.  THEREFORE RENDERING ALL OPPONENT VOTES

of NO VALUE WHATSOEVER WHEN SELECTING THE NEXT PRESIDENT.

There was NO REASON for anybody else to show up

at the polls that day except Trump voters.  

 

And HOW THE FUCK IS THAT A 'GOOD SYSTEM'?

NONE OF YOU CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. 

You like it because it gives you a method of winning

when you can't win in an honest straightforward vote.

aka, lets you CHEAT because your lack of popularity

with Americans stops you from winning with one man, one vote. 

 

 

 

 

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You need to admit that you got conned by trump and you owe an apology to every citizen in this country for voting for and supporting the most incompetent and corrupt president in this nation's history

Saw an article today saying trump is going all in to win Pennsylvania. Why? Because they've all but written off taking Wisconsin and Arizona. Biden has $466 million in the bank, and with Mike Bloomber

cnn...hope springs eternal...

On five occasions, the Electoral College vote  percentage was higher than the popular vote percentage

1824, JQ Adams got fewer popular votes than Andrew Jackson

1876, Rutherford Hayes got fewer popular votes than Samuel Tilden

1888, Benjamin Harrison got fewer popular votes than Grover Cleveland

2000, Juniorbush got fewer popular votes votes than  Al Gore

Jackson won in 1828 and illegally forced the Five Civilized Tribes to move to Oklahoma. The Supreme Court ruled against this,

Hayes is still exceptionally popular in Paraguay, they named a city and a province after him. He mediated a conflict between Paraguay and Argentina over the Chaco Boreal and decided in Paraguay's favor. He also withdrew the Freedman's Bureau from the South and allowed Jim Crow to prevent Black citizens from voting.

Harrison was largely inept, and was defeated by Cleveland for a second term.

Juniorbush gave us the disastrous and unnecessary second Iraq War, which forced half of all Iraqis to leave their homes and supplied weapons to enemies of  Assad so the Syrian Civil War could last over a decade, as a result Isis was born, and Shia Muslims (allies of Iran) began to rule Iraq and did it very poorly.

Trump is poised to destroy Obamacare and replace it with nothing. His wall is quite incomplete and his handling of the Covid crisis was handled worse in the US than in most other countries.

 

The Electoral College has been a bad thing overall. It served to unify the country under a Constitution (that the people never voted on), so perhaps was a necessary compromise at the time, but overall, it has sucked. It should be removed or nullified in some way. It has poisoned our political system.

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28 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

The polls in 2016 failed to correctly consider the Electoral College. However, in past years, polls have been mostly accurate on both the popular and electoral college vote.

so the over-whelming guaranteed of the predicted clintan landslide victory with coat-tails that would sweep dems into the House and Senate was just a fluke ...  lol 

 

Perhaps the dem pick the on candidate in the entire world that Trump could beat.   (which is probably more of what happened

... hilary tried to hid the fact her past was filled with deceit, lies, and corruptions   - - while Trumps pas was a open book.  The American people know who and what Trump was and made him President

 

... Biden ran in the primary rose to the top and faded, Pocahontas rose to the top and faded, Harris never really had any following ... so then Bernie rose to the top ... and looked like he was going to stay

 

.... Then suddenly the dem realized that they were going to be running someone who was not a dem as their Candidate ... the dems got scare

...Dems screwed Bernie (again) --- the dems made some deals and everyone to drop out- - leaving Bernie and Biden in the primary race

 .... all of the sudden bidden is back ...

 

lol ... while losing all of the bernie votes again ... just like 4 years ago.

 

 

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1 hour ago, ROG62 said:

and 5 in the Presidential History of the US...doesn't sound frequent at all...

False.   There have only been three elections where the popular vote

did NOT pick the same person as the Electoral College in the last nearly 250 yrs. 


I never said anything about somebody not getting a majority.  That was fabricated by a GOP chatter (like you wouldn't have guessed :D  ) 

 

We are talking about a plurality in the popular 

vote as always. 

 

Plurality:  the number of votes cast for a candidate who receives more than any other but does not receive an absolute majority.

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42 minutes ago, Scout said:

 

No, it doesn't.  Read my previous post.

You know NOTHING about the EC obviously

After a U.S. presidential election in which the Electoral College worked perfectly to enhance the popular vote outcome, a movement is now afoot to dismantle the college. 

Instead of trying to amend the Constitution, the argument goes, the nation should opt for the National Popular Vote plan, which asks state legislatures to give their state’s electoral votes to whoever wins the national popular vote, no matter how their own citizens vote. Eight states and Washington, D.C., already have passed the plan. 

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It’s a bad idea. 

Making this runaround of the Constitution will result in dire consequences for our nation’s ability to choose its top leader fairly and effectively. 

Why? Because abolishing the current system will strongly tilt elections in favor of candidates who can win huge electoral margins in the country’s major metropolitan areas. 

Some are calling for a “direct democracy” in which an 18-year-old voter in California and an 18-year-old voter in Oklahoma will not be ignored. But abolishing the Electoral College would mean ignoring every rural and small-state voter in our country. If you don’t believe it, just look at the electoral maps and the numbers. 

Barack Obama received 3.3 million more votes than Mitt Romney in the Nov. 6 election, but won 3.6 million more votes than Romney in just four cities — Chicago, Philadelphia, New York and Los Angeles. He won those margins without much of a campaign. Now, imagine an Obama candidacy free of the need to appeal to Ohio factory workers, Colorado cattlemen, Iowa hog farmers and Virginia police officers, and you start to get the picture. 

 

If the United States does away with the Electoral College, future presidential elections will go to candidates and parties willing to cater to urban voters and skew the nation’s policies toward big-city interests. Small-town issues and rural values will no longer be their concern. 

Cities already are the homes of America’s major media, donor, academic and government centers. A simple, direct democracy will centralize all power — government, business, money, media and votes — in urban areas to the detriment of the rest of the nation. 

The Electoral College has, on the other hand, given us competitive and fair elections for more than two centuries. One reason Republicans feel so bitter about the 2012 presidential election is that their party lost when it had a real shot at winning, and they know it. It wasn’t the fault of the Electoral College. 

What’s more, supporters of the popular vote plan haven’t stopped to consider the problems inherent in managing such a system. Will we have to create and pay for a new federal agency to verify the accuracy of popular vote totals? Probably. 

One can only guess at the other nightmare scenarios that could arise, such as runoff elections and precinct-by-precinct national recounts in close races. 

If we want presidential elections to be fair and representative — as well as efficient — we should push to keep the Electoral College in place, not dissolve it. 

It’s a balanced way to choose our presidents that has proved its value over time.

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You can still unfairly weight the votes of 

people from certain states, unpopulated or whatever with

an electoral vote, but give EC votes out according to 

proportion of total votes.  That would help

stop the corrupt results most of the time. 

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3 minutes ago, king of the county said:

It’s a bad idea. 

Making this runaround of the Constitution will result in dire consequences for our nation’s ability to choose its top leader fairly and effectively. 

Why? Because abolishing the current system will strongly tilt elections in favor of candidates who can win huge electoral margins in the country’s major metropolitan areas

It tilts it that direction because they get the most votes from Americans.

You rightwingers MUST circumvent the vote of Americans because you

would lose everytime.  You only win when you devalue the votes of others.

Yes, you are that slimy.  

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2 minutes ago, Scout said:

You can still unfairly weight the votes of 

people from certain states, unpopulated or whatever with

an electoral vote, but give EC votes out according to 

proportion of total votes.  That would help

stop the corrupt results most of the time. 

Did you read above?  Your idea is bad!

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Just now, Scout said:

It tilts it that direction because they get the most votes from Americans.

You rightwingers MUST circumvent the vote of Americans because you

would lose everytime.  You only win when you devalue the votes of others.

Yes, you are that slimy.  

Oooooh so look who is saying that the left is crying cause there is an opening on the SC and a Republican President is in office so the left says stack the court appoint more justices make DC and puerto Rico a state 

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1 minute ago, king of the county said:

Did you read above?  Your idea is bad!

No it isn't.  Your articles never made a case it is bad for America.

It just said it is bad for Republicans.  We already knew that.

As I have said, it is Affirmative Action for Republicans. 

Thanks for help making my case.

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Just now, Scout said:

No it isn't.  Your articles never made a case it is bad for America.

It just said it is bad for Republicans.  We already knew that.

As I have said, it is Affirmative Action for Republicans. 

Thanks for help making my case.

wow you really are a retarded cunt

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5 minutes ago, king of the county said:

Oooooh so look who is saying that the left is crying cause there is an opening on the SC and a Republican President is in office so the left says stack the court appoint more justices make DC and puerto Rico a state 

 

Change the law.  I won't whine about it like you do when

you lose the electoral college and the party of corrupt bastards dies. 

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54 minutes ago, Scout said:

No it isn't.  Your articles never made a case it is bad for America.

It just said it is bad for Republicans.  We already knew that.

As I have said, it is Affirmative Action for Republicans. 

Thanks for help making my case.

The article does not use republican nor democrat 

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