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2 minutes ago, Scout said:

 

I delivered.  It is done. 

 

No...you didn't.  But I know you are a cowardly bitch who makes shit up all the time, so I didn't really expect you to backup the stupid shit you posted.

 

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Just now, BatteryPowered said:

 

No...you didn't.  But I know you are a cowardly bitch who makes shit up all the time, so I didn't really expect you to backup the stupid shit you posted.

 

 

And I know you to be poorly informed and dishonest.

That is why I don't respect you enuf to contemplate the content of any response I give you.  

Your words only merit pablum in response.  

 

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11 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Hmmmm... and you think that absentee ballots are the same as mail-in? Damn, you are funny. 

Absentee ballots are mailed in.  There is fraud associated with absentee ballots.  From what I can tell, what you call "mail in" ballots, as arbitrarily distinguished from absentee ballots, have not been used in federal elections.

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Just now, Skans said:

Absentee ballots are mailed in.  There is fraud associated with absentee ballots.  From what I can tell, what you call "mail in" ballots, as arbitrarily distinguished from absentee ballots, have not been used in federal elections.

Absentee ballots... one has to request one via online or mailed in paper form. Mail in is where the state sends one ballot to every registered voter. If you can't see the one key difference then my faith in humanity just took a huge hit and this is pointless. 

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2 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Absentee ballots... one has to request one via online or mailed in paper form. Mail in is where the state sends one ballot to every registered voter. If you can't see the one key difference then my faith in humanity just took a huge hit and this is pointless. 

Fact:  Both types of ballots are mailed in.

Fact:  There has been documented fraud with mail-in absentee ballots.

Fact:  There can be other types of mail-in ballots, like the one you described, and yes they can have differences.

Logical Extrapolation:  When drawing a venn diagram of ALL MAIL IN BALLOTS, Absentee ballots would be a circle wholly within the circle of all mail in ballots.

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Just now, Skans said:

Fact:  Both types of ballots are mailed in.

Fact:  There has been documented fraud with mail-in absentee ballots.

Fact:  There can be other types of mail-in ballots, like the one you described, and yes they can have differences.

Logical Extrapolation:  When drawing a venn diagram of ALL MAIL IN BALLOTS, Absentee ballots would be a circle wholly within the circle of all mail in ballots.

Ok, so you do not see the difference. Damn, I thought better of you. My expectations were again too high. Oh well. 

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Just now, impartialobserver said:

Ok, so you do not see the difference. Damn, I thought better of you. My expectations were again too high. Oh well. 

You know that I see the difference.  You know that when dealing with categories of things, one set can be wholly inside of another larger set.  All sets of things are not "this" or "that", and the mail-in-ballots vs. absentee mail-in-ballots is a false dichotomy.   You are intelligent enough to understand this.  You simply don't like losing, and thus the smart ass comment directed at me personally. 

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2 minutes ago, Skans said:

You know that I see the difference.  You know that when dealing with categories of things, one set can be wholly inside of another larger set.  All sets of things are not "this" or "that", and the mail-in-ballots vs. absentee mail-in-ballots is a false dichotomy.   You are intelligent enough to understand this.  You simply don't like losing, and thus the smart ass comment directed at me personally. 

Again, you fail to point out the ONE key difference between the two. So this discussion is pointless. May as well be trying to converse with a brick, BTW, I work indirectly with the database and intimately know of that ONE difference. 

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13 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Again, you fail to point out the ONE key difference between the two. So this discussion is pointless.

This complete lack of logical understanding on your part is uncharacteristic of you - it is more like something I would expect to see from Xavier.  Of course, I do not point out one key difference between the two systems.  YOU are the one claiming that the two systems are different, not I.  I maintain that absentee ballots are a form of mail-in ballots; and that there could be other forms (perhaps even infinite forms) of mail-in ballots, the implementation of which we have not seen yet.  But, we have seen how mail-in absentee ballots work and how there has been documented fraud with this system. 

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May as well be trying to converse with a brick, BTW, I work indirectly with the database and intimately know of that ONE difference. 

Then tell us what "one difference" of absentee ballots would keep them completely outside of the category of mail-in ballots.  Before you jump down that rabbit hole with a bloated head and get trapped, remember, you will need to explain how absentee ballots are not transmitted via U.S. mail. 

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24 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Absentee ballots... one has to request one via online or mailed in paper form. Mail in is where the state sends one ballot to every registered voter. If you can't see the one key difference then my faith in humanity just took a huge hit and this is pointless. 

 

I urge you all to read this article.  https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/21/us/vote-by-mail-trump.html

 

Follow some of its links - you will be glad you did because some of you obviously know nothing about this subject. 

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13 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Again, you fail to point out the ONE key difference between the two.

 

NUMBERS is the difference.  Lots of one, not so much the other.

It is a lot easier to provide significant security for a few ballots than the number when ALL are mail-in.  

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1 minute ago, Skans said:

This complete lack of logical understanding on your part is uncharacteristic of you - it is more like something I would expect to see from Xavier.  Of course, I do not point out one key difference between the two systems.  YOU are the one claiming that the two systems are different, not I.  I maintain that absentee ballots are a form of mail-in ballots; and that there could be other forms (perhaps even infinite forms) of mail-in ballots, the implementation of which we have not seen yet.  But, we have seen how mail-in absentee ballots work and how there has been documented fraud with this system. 

Then tell us what "one difference" of absentee ballots would keep them completely outside of the category of mail-in ballots.  Before you jump down that rabbit hole with a bloated head, remember, you will need to explain how absentee ballots are not transmitted via U.S. mail. 

Lets quit here. You again fail to understand that one pesky KEY difference between the two. There is this pesky column in the database about voter-initiated or not.. Hmm.. that data simply magically appears... correct?

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Just now, impartialobserver said:

Lets quit here. You again fail to understand that one pesky KEY difference between the two. There is this pesky column in the database about voter-initiated or not.. Hmm.. that data simply magically appears... correct?

No.  I'm not going to quit here, not yet. 

 

This is the first time you have mentioned that "pesky key difference" - a column in the database about "voter-initiated".  Now, if you were to have explained that you are using the term "mail-in ballots" to arbitrarily define a set of ballots which are not voter initiated, and then distinguished the two types of ballots based on voter-initiated and government-initiated (what you call "mail-in" ballots), we would have an accord here.

 

But, what you said was "mail in is where the state sends one ballot to every registered voter. If you can't see the one key difference then my faith in humanity just took a huge hit and this is pointless."  And, that is where I proceeded to pick apart your position.   You jumped the shark and presumed that the term "mail-in ballot" excluded absentee ballots, which are also mailed out and mailed in.  What you actually meant was government-initiated ballot vs. voter-initiated ballot. 

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1 minute ago, Skans said:

No.  I'm not going to quit here, not yet. 

 

This is the first time you have mentioned that "pesky key difference" - a column in the database about "voter-initiated".  Now, if you were to have explained that you are using the term "mail-in ballots" to arbitrarily define a set of ballots which are not voter initiated, and then distinguished the two types of ballots based on voter-initiated and government-initiated (what you call "mail-in" ballots), we would have an accord here.

 

But, what you said was "mail in is where the state sends one ballot to every registered voter. If you can't see the one key difference then my faith in humanity just took a huge hit and this is pointless."  And, that is where I proceeded to pick apart your position.   You jumped the shark and presumed that the term "mail-in ballot" excluded absentee ballots, which are also mailed out and mailed in.  What you actually meant was government-initiated ballot vs. voter-initiated ballot. 

I thought that I was clear in the first post... if you a ballot is sent to every registered voter (which in a lot of states is directly tied to DMV records) then it is a cluster___. If the voter has to make the effort to pursue the absentee ballot form, receive it, and then still mail it back in... that's a whole other ball of wax.

 

My mother does not vote and could not care less about politics... oh guess what? She does not receive a ballot and no vote for her is counted. 

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1 hour ago, Scout said:

 

Republicans want them to end.

I do not.

I do agree, however, with presenting an ID in order to vote.  

The gov't should issue a FREE ID for that purpose.  I think many states already do, 

but they stop short of REQUIRING a person without other ID to possess one.  

  

 

No...Trump and his acolytes want that...

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12 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

I thought that I was clear in the first post...

You were not clear until the post where you expressed what you saw as that pesky key difference.  What I really object to is terming something a "mail-in ballot" and saying that is completely different from an absentee ballot.  Believe me, I know and understand the difference.  I have also been hearing how even Conservatives have been taking it for granted that there is this huge difference between mail-in ballots and absentee ballots - I heard Hugh Hewitt glaze over this on his radio show this morning, and it didn't sit well with me then. 

 

I don't like when government agencies use contradictory and confusing terms to describe something and then arbitrarily distinguish it from something quite similar but distinguishable on "one pesky key difference" as you call it.  Sorry for taking all of this out on you - you tripped up and simultaneously brought back my forgotten morning rage on this point, so I decided to address it.

 

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1 minute ago, Skans said:

You were not clear until the post where you expressed what you saw as that pesky key difference.  The fact is, and this is what I really object to, is terming something a "mail-in ballot" and saying that is completely different from an absentee ballot.  Believe me, I know and understand the difference.  I have also been hearing how even Conservatives have been taking it for granted that there is this huge difference between mail-in ballots and absentee ballots - I heard Hugh Hewitt glaze over this on his radio show this morning, and it didn't sit well with me then. 

 

I don't like when government agencies use contradictory and confusing terms to describe something and then arbitrarily distinguish it from something quite similar but distinguishable on "one pesky key difference" as you call it.  Sorry for taking all of this out on you - you tripped up and simultaneously brought back my forgotten morning rage on this point, so I decided to address it.

 

From the database perspective, there is a huge difference. If the voter goes through all of the trouble to request and submit, it is much easier to ferret out fraud. If you send a ballot to everyone regardless of their intent to vote, it gets very messy very quickly.

 

Both have potential for fraud. There is fraud when it comes to just about everything. We had someone at our office embezzling from the chip and snack fund... We figured that they netted $6.00 per month out of it. 

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The Trumpists are getting very (very) desperate.

 

The GOP is going to get crushed. They deserve the massive rebuke that coming. They've failed the American people, bigly.

 

Bill

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5 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

We had someone at our office embezzling from the chip and snack fund... We figured that they netted $6.00 per month out of it. 

Now, that's pathetic.  What do you do in that case?  Tar and feather them and publish the video on Youtube?  Or, take up a collection of groceries and deliver them to his/her door anonymously.  What a moral dilemma.

 

You are too close to the situation, and I understand that from a database perspective there can be a huge difference.  I also acknowledge that one method would be more prone to fraud than the other - the fraud potential is far from equivalent.

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3 minutes ago, SpyCar said:

The Trumpists are getting very (very) desperate.

 

The GOP is going to get crushed. They deserve the massive rebuke that coming. They've failed the American people, bigly.

 

Bill

Not desperate, But I will not live under socialist rule. That's what the 2nd amendment is for. I will be war if crazy socialists take over.

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5 minutes ago, Skans said:

Now, that's pathetic.  What do you do in that case?  Tar and feather them and publish the video on Youtube?  Or, take up a collection of groceries and deliver them to his/her door anonymously.  What a moral dilemma.

 

You are too close to the situation, and I understand that from a database perspective there can be a huge difference.  I also acknowledge that one method would be more prone to fraud than the other - the fraud potential is far from equivalent.

Luckily, she retired and nothing had to be done. It was humorous as to why someone would go through all that trouble for $6.00

 

1827386 registered voters in NV. Its not like any agency/dept has the manpower to call, knock on doors, etc. in order to verify that there are in fact... 12 John Colsen's in Clark County especially if the address given is unique (even by one number or character) to each of them. Imagine this on a national scale. 

 

back to the point, I do not support a blanket, government-initiated mail in voting. Absentee has the potential for fraud but is unlikely to change the election and therefore I would be ok with it. 

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16 minutes ago, Skans said:

Now, that's pathetic.  What do you do in that case?  Tar and feather them and publish the video on Youtube?  Or, take up a collection of groceries and deliver them to his/her door anonymously.  What a moral dilemma.

 

You are too close to the situation, and I understand that from a database perspective there can be a huge difference.  I also acknowledge that one method would be more prone to fraud than the other - the fraud potential is far from equivalent.

Anyways, it seems as if we are not that far apart from a philosophical/ideological standpoint. Anyways, Back to battling tree roots for myself. 

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11 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Anyways, it seems as if we are not that far apart from a philosophical/ideological standpoint. Anyways, Back to battling tree roots for myself. 

We aren't.  We never were.

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57 minutes ago, Skans said:

We aren't.  We never were.

I do not have the time to investigate this to its fullest but it would be interesting to see the number of absentee votes counted per state in the last election and then compare it to the overall turnout. If there were 1,000 absentee ballots in a given state with a population 5,000,000 and the margin of victory for Trump was 37,000 (just an example) then no matter how the absentee votes panned out is a formality being that 37,000 > 1,000. 

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1 hour ago, Wallco1 said:

Not desperate, But I will not live under socialist rule. That's what the 2nd amendment is for. I will be war if crazy socialists take over.

 

You are in luck. No socialists on the presidential ballot to my awareness. 

 

Joe Biden will be our next president. We will return this nation to competence and decency.

 

Bill

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