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15 hours ago, BatteryPowered said:


Really?  From the Christian standpoint, exactly who does the forcing? 
 

Why do liberals always ignore free will?

Because they don't understand it, being mind numbed robots.

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11 hours ago, lucifershammer said:

The Sikhs  encourage  your own interpretation of their religion. 

The Sikhs are a peaceful and honest people. I have never heard that they expect anything from peoples of other religion other than be left alone.

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16 hours ago, Pastafarian said:

Conservatives love to say that America was founded on Judeo-Christian principles, it wasn’t.

Have you noticed how Satan has increasingly owned your mind as you post in this forum? You likely don't know this but the holy scriptures refer to Satan as "the father of lies". The preamble to the Declaration of Independence reads:  "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

Our framers understanding as to who our "Creator" is, came from the scriptures of Jews and Christians. But then your amorality likely makes you morally reprobate enough to count yourself among the destroyers that are out tearing down statues and engaging in malicious destruction of public and private property.

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10 minutes ago, freeman said:

Because they don't understand it, being mind numbed robots.

I do not think that Free will is an easy concept to comprehend. Why would God have given free will to angels, thereby risking a rebellion among them? An intelligent and perfect designer who knows the future would have foreseen the stupidity of giving angels free will.

The same can be said about the Noah story. If God knws everything, then God knows the future, and you cannot do anything other than what God knows you will do.

Either God cannot see into the future (and therefore is not omniscient) or free will  does not exist.

Flooding the entire planet is a stupid way to remove most of the members of just one of thousands of species. A viral disease would be far better. All those innocent animals and plants would have been spared.

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2 minutes ago, freeman said:

Have you noticed how Satan has increasingly owned your mind as you post in this forum? You likely don't know this but the holy scriptures refer to Satan as "the father of lies". The preamble to the Declaration of Independence reads:  "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

Our framers understanding as to who our "Creator" is, came from the scriptures of Jews and Christians. But then your amorality likely makes you morally reprobate enough to count yourself among the destroyers that are out tearing down statues and engaging in malicious destruction of public and private property.

I do not think that Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are Biblical concepts. Life for the Hebrews was one of oppression and one invasion and conquest after another.

Life Liberty and the pursuit of happiness  are certainly to be pro-ized, and who would not want them?, but the phrase is far more reminiscent of Jeremy Bentham  and other British philosophers than the Bible.

 

A Deist generally believed that God created the universe as a watchmaker might make a watch. Then he wound it up and walked away. Such a deity would not leave behind a written directive that all sentient beings be given specific rights that were denied to damn near everyone on the planet in the 1700's.

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12 hours ago, jerra- said:

the old testament version of God is a lot different from Christ's version of God. Christ's version is kinder  and would never tell the israelites to kill babies.

 

Does your post reflect a view geared toward this world or the next? Aren't any babies - or other innocents - that were killed in Canaan, residing with the Lord today?

 

Yahweh waited patiently for over four hundred years for the Canaanites to repent of their iniquity, which included sorcery, spiritism, divination, idolatry, incest, pedophilia, adultery, homosexuality, bestiality, ritualistic prostitution, and even sacrifice of children to idols. The Canaanites were wicked in Abraham's day, and even though they had the witness of Abraham and his altars and were aware of the power of his God, they continued to worship gods of their own creation.

 

I can't know God's judgments, but it would seem that everyone that ever died or was killed, while in a state of ignorance to the things of the Spirit of God, may well be with the Lord today. As Paul wrote:

 

Romans 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

 

Which seems to indicate that if someone has never been brought the Gospel like a remote tribesman for example, or someone is too mentally challenged or young to understand the Gospel, they may be saved by virtue of their ignorance to it. This would include faithful Jews that may remain blinded to the Gospel by God Himself, so they can't sin against it. However it is a different matter for someone who has been quickened by the Spirit of God, but then chooses to reject Him.

 

Eventually Yahweh's patience with the Canaanites turned to judgment, as He sent Moses and His people to the Promised Land.

 

From our 21st century perspective the historical record of this isolated event of a few thousand years ago, regarding Yahweh's judgment on a whole people, may seem appalling. Yet the very reason our sensibilities are challenged by these passages, is testament to the effectiveness of these early lessons regarding divine judgment, that have been consciously and subconsciously transmitted down through generations, over the ages. Developing and instilling in mankind what some unregenerates might identify simply as a conscience, and what others of us recognize as the Spirit of God striving with mankind, enabling us to discern the difference between right and wrong as if it were instinctive.

 

Some folks question as to whether the Canaanites engaged in all of those sinful behaviors, but with a simple web search - sins of the canaanites - one can explore the source material. However a far better question is, which of those sinful behaviors are not practiced in the world, even today? God's people disobeyed Him, and failed to kill all those He directed them to, who eventually became not only the bane of God's people, but may well be part of the reason the world remains poisoned by their abominations unto today. For a little more insight as to how the entirety of the community may have been physically affected by their abominations, consider the "widespread" Muslim practice of "mufa’khathat", or sex with infants and children by "thighing".

 

So from what we know about the sexual and other abominations of these tribes, and the faithfulness and morality of Moses and his people who were given the law, it would seem God's effort may have been to not only prevent His people from being poisoned spiritually as indicated by Genesis 20:18, but likely also God's way of preventing His people from being poisoned physically, by halting the spread of diseases related to sexual immorality that could have been spread throughout the entirety of the community:

 

Numbers 31:19 And do ye abide without the camp seven days: whosoever hath killed any person, and whosoever hath touched any slain, purify [both] yourselves and your captives on the third day, and on the seventh day.

 

Perhaps as if to suggest, "If ya got any on ya, wash it off!"

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28 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

Life Liberty and the pursuit of happiness  are certainly to be pro-ized, and who would not want them?

Indeed, who wouldn't want them! But unlike countries where governments assign rights to citizens, our framers understood that all of our rights come from God Himself, and wrote our founding documents to preclude infringement on our God-given rights by our government.

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17 hours ago, Pastafarian said:

If one dissented and found Stalin’s dictates were not objectively correct, they were sent to the gulags. Remind you of anyone?

 

Stalin was educated in a seminary. So it ain’t no surprise he picked up some great pointers from the original genocidal maniac. 
 

Conservatives love to say that America was founded on Judeo-Christian principles, it wasn’t. The Soviet Union is a whole lot closer fit with Judeo-Christian principles. Both communism and Judeo-Christian principles force you into a belief system or punishment here on earth or in the “afterlife”. The first four commandments are about worship. Communists worship the state first and foremost. And just like God, the state is infallible. 
 

Suffering is an afterthought for God. God is anti-humanist as evidenced by the Bible story of the Canaanite genocide. Even Canaanite babies were slaughtered. How is a baby held to the same standard as an adult? And why would God kill the babies cuz Canaanite adults were sacrificing them?  How is this moral?

 

God sending Jesus to earth as his sacrifice for all the wrong He did is like Krushchev’s denouncement of Stalin era purges and his cult of personality. 


 

 

  God is the creator of the natural world Stalin and other communistic socialistic leaders can only try to usurp and steal Gods authority by disallowing natural conditions with various mandatory group contracts and socialist administrative authority kangaroo court laws etc.

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Just now, freeman said:

Indeed, who wouldn't want them! But unlike countries where governments assign rights to citizens, our framers understood that all of our rights come from God Himself, and wrote our founding documents to preclude infringement on our God-given rights by our government.

They SAID that, but I think this was more because it sounded nice. A Deist does not generally believe that God takes any role whatever in human activity. Again the phrase is from Bentham, other utilitarians, and British thinkers of the Enlightenment.

 

The Founding Fathers  basically wanted to do away with the British nobility, monarchy and its privileges. The Virginians wanted to be country gentlemen whose physical labor would be done by slaves, just as in Britain it was done by the peasantry. They wanted more control over what facilities (seaport, roads, canals dams) would be financed by there taxes. And they did not want to pay for British colonial military adventures abroad. 

 

The New Englanders also wanted to do away with import taxes and prohibitions about what they could manufacture and sell. They also saw the British nobility and crown as useless expenditures. They disliked mercantilism and preferred capitalism.

 

Note that the spiel of the aristocracy of Virginia and New England did not seem to appeal to the people of either French or British Canada.

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17 hours ago, Pastafarian said:

God is anti-humanist as evidenced by the Bible story of the Canaanite genocide. Even Canaanite babies were slaughtered. How is a baby held to the same standard as an adult? And why would God kill the babies cuz Canaanite adults were sacrificing them?  How is this moral?

Yes sadly, such judgements took the lives of everyone sometimes throughout history. However, if you take things out of context like dropping an Atom bomb on Japan which took the lives of men women and children....and yet was justified Given the historical context and what was going on in history.
Likewise with the global flood and the Canaanites.

Take the example of king Saul In the book of Samuel where he was recorded not obeying God‘s command to take the lives of all, and yet, the lives that were spared rose up to be More than just a thorn in Israel’s side, such people reeked havoc And destruction in their land.
much like the ‘Left’ Do to America now.
keep in mind God‘s knowledge and wisdom are infinite and if he gives a command there is good reason for it. And only if you take things out of context you can turn a holy being into a terrible Genocidal one.


just as atheists like yourself rely on major dating technique assumptions and Fossil misinterpretations to create a lie like evolution. Maybe because these ideas tickle your ears?

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17 hours ago, Pastafarian said:

If one dissented and found Stalin’s dictates were not objectively correct, they were sent to the gulags. Remind you of anyone?

 

Stalin was educated in a seminary. So it ain’t no surprise he picked up some great pointers from the original genocidal maniac. 
 

Conservatives love to say that America was founded on Judeo-Christian principles, it wasn’t. The Soviet Union is a whole lot closer fit with Judeo-Christian principles. Both communism and Judeo-Christian principles force you into a belief system or punishment here on earth or in the “afterlife”. The first four commandments are about worship. Communists worship the state first and foremost. And just like God, the state is infallible. 
 

Suffering is an afterthought for God. God is anti-humanist as evidenced by the Bible story of the Canaanite genocide. Even Canaanite babies were slaughtered. How is a baby held to the same standard as an adult? And why would God kill the babies cuz Canaanite adults were sacrificing them?  How is this moral?

 

God sending Jesus to earth as his sacrifice for all the wrong He did is like Krushchev’s denouncement of Stalin era purges and his cult of personality. 


 

 

Nice to see the left is still upholding the long tradition of defending Stalin. 

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4 hours ago, Pastafarian said:

Jesus promises one eternal torment for not following him. 
 

He doesn’t sound that nice a guy.

Choices have repercussions. If you choose to reject a heavenly society of law and order and choose lawlessness (instead of choosing his way of life) you’ll land urself in jail.

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2 minutes ago, Redoctober said:

 

Nice to see the left is still upholding the long tradition of defending Stalin. 

No one defends Stalin. However without Stalin's help, the Nazis would NOT have been defeated. Most German casualties occurred on the Eastern Front.

Stalin cannot be criticized for defending the USSR against Hitler: he was attacked, after all.

Stalin was a brutal dictator who was cruel as a leader and incompetent about how to accomplish many of his projects,

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10 minutes ago, Hellongoodbye said:

Choices have repercussions. If you choose to reject a heavenly society of law and order and choose lawlessness (instead of choosing his way of life) you’ll land urself in jail.

Jesus as a jailer, there is an interesting concept.

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1 hour ago, XavierOnassis said:

And she was entirely correct....

 

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29 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

No one defends Stalin. However without Stalin's help, the Nazis would NOT have been defeated. Most German casualties occurred on the Eastern Front.

Stalin cannot be criticized for defending the USSR against Hitler: he was attacked, after all.

Stalin was a brutal dictator who was cruel as a leader and incompetent about how to accomplish many of his projects,

 

Why do so many leftists thank Stalin for throwing hundreds of thousands Soviet soldiers at the nazis? This nazis pushed in and winter stopped them. Mean while your hero Stalin was hiding and getting drunk because he thought they were going to lose.

 

 

 

And yes you lefties defended Stalin during his reign of terror.  That is a matter of historical fact.

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42 minutes ago, Old Mack said:

 

April | 2013 | the jay report

 

Fundamentalist Christians are assholes. So are fundamentalist Muslims.

I don't see how a cartoon could be "hate speech".  Certainly not that one. It suggests hypocrisy, which is something cartoons do quite well.

 

There was a contest among cartoonists to comment on Islam's prohibition of drawings or representations of the human form.

Had Smartphones and digital cameras existed in Mohammad's time, I am sure he would have never banned images.

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27 minutes ago, Redoctober said:

 

Why do so many leftists thank Stalin for throwing hundreds of thousands Soviet soldiers at the nazis? This nazis pushed in and winter stopped them. Mean while your hero Stalin was hiding and getting drunk because he thought they were going to lose.

 

 

 

And yes you lefties defended Stalin during his reign of terror.  That is a matter of historical fact.

 

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Again, Stalin  was essential to winning WWII against the Nazis. I am not supporting Stalin for doing this or even saying that he was the best possible leader. He had some of his best generals killed. But it is a FACT: without Stalin's leadership, the Nazis would have won. Historians agree on this.

Churchill was a horrid racist, but again, his resolve was necessary to defeat the Nazis.

 

I am not a member of the group you call "lefties".

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14 hours ago, drvoke said:

 

An aside, I am currently reading Kolyma Tales by Varlam Shalamov. I am only 300+ pages in, but it is one of the best books that I have ever read. (And I have read a ton of books) The stories are set in Stalin's gulags. Shalamov spent over 10 years in the gulags. 

Must be really gruesome stuff! I used to read stuff about Nazi atrocities, but it made me sick, so I stopped it.

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5 minutes ago, nuckin futz said:

Must be really gruesome stuff! I used to read stuff about Nazi atrocities, but it made me sick, so I stopped it.

There has been a lot of good literature written about the gulags. Most of it is ignored in the US. Good translaters are hard to find.

A lot of Russian poetry, like Spanish poetry, really loses its soul when put into English.

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18 hours ago, BatteryPowered said:


Really?  From the Christian standpoint, exactly who does the forcing? 
 

Why do liberals always ignore free will?


'Free will'? 😂

The 'Free will' to do what your God commands or suffer eternal torment. No wonder why you are a Trump-Slave.

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14 hours ago, jerra- said:

 

 

the old testament version of God is a lot different from Christ's version of God. Christ's version is kinder  and would never tell the israelites to kill babies.

 

It is the same God, moron.

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2 hours ago, BatteryPowered said:

 

Prove it's forced.

 

I'll wait...

 

Forced because the audience is captive.

You lose.

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