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2 hours ago, Str8tEdge said:

Context? 😂 Blacks commit 2.3 times more crime than whites. Blacks are "roughed up" 2.4 times more than whites. 

 

Now, my stats include Latinos in the white category. Does your 2.4 times number? 

 Your stats do not account for unreported or unsolved crimes. This is data we need in order to determine who commits more crimes, and nobody has it, so we can't know the answer. The stats only reflect arrest and conviction rates. In other words, they don't tell us who commits more crimes, only who gets caught more.   Dumbass...

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https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-43   Blacks are  12%of the population and commit 27% of the crime. Guess what? That's 2.3 times more crime than

Context? 😂 Blacks commit 2.3 times more crime than whites. Blacks are "roughed up" 2.4 times more than whites.    Now, my stats include Latinos in the white category. Does your 2.4 times num

What context have you given me?     All you’ve given are stats.    Stats don’t mean shit without what is written behind those stats. 

1 minute ago, feelinit said:

 Your stats do not account for unreported or unsolved crimes. This is data we need in order to determine who commits more crimes, and nobody has it, so we can't know the answer. The stats only reflect arrest and conviction rates. In other words, they don't tell us who commits more crimes, only who gets caught more.   Dumbass...

Ah, so you admit you have absolutely no argument to begin with. Cool. 

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3 minutes ago, Str8tEdge said:

Is this your ridiculous spin on why the stats don't actually support your premise? 

 

Get bent, tard. 

 I'm going to assume you're trolling, because I find it hard to believe you're too stupid to understand this.

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Just now, feelinit said:

 I'm going to assume you're trolling, because I find it hard to believe you're too stupid to understand this.

I merely argued the stats that were presented. You completely obliterated the premise of racism to begin with. 

 

Bad lefty. They gonna take away your get out of racist jail for free card. 

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6 minutes ago, Str8tEdge said:

I merely argued the stats that were presented. You completely obliterated the premise of racism to begin with. 

 

Bad lefty. They gonna take away your get out of racist jail for free card. 

Yeah, carry on. I'm used to people getting their feelings hurt when I knock the stool out from under them. I just don't get why people let their egos get in the way of increasing their knowledge and understanding, but wtf ya gonna do? There's no cure for willful ignorance. Later...

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7 hours ago, Blue Devil said:

 

Explain this, Racist:

 

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Ha!

This graph, as I have already explained, only accounts for solved homicides. Your argument is based on flawed interpretations of the stats. The stats do not support your conclusion. Just want to see if you're smarter than str8edge...   If you deny it, reasonably intelligent readers will know you're either dishonest or too stupid to grasp elementary logic (like str8edge).

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16 minutes ago, feelinit said:

Yeah, carry on. I'm used to people getting their feelings hurt when I knock the stool out from under them. I just don't get why people let their egos get in the way of increasing their knowledge and understanding, but wtf ya gonna do? There's no cure for willful ignorance. Later...

You basically just demolished the argument the police act differently against blacks than whites. 🤣

 

Good job, bro. 

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11 minutes ago, Str8tEdge said:

You basically just demolished the argument the police act differently against blacks than whites. 🤣

 

Good job, bro. 

 That's not my argument. I don't play that "us and them" bullshit. For me, right is right, wrong is wrong, and stupid shit is stupid regardless of who you are, what you stand for, or which side you've sworn fealty to. I'm a different sort of motherfucker than you're probably used to. I just try to tell it like it is, and I don't really give a shit if you like it or not. It is what it is, even if we don't like it.

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1 hour ago, feelinit said:

 That's not my argument. I don't play that "us and them" bullshit. For me, right is right, wrong is wrong, and stupid shit is stupid regardless of who you are, what you stand for, or which side you've sworn fealty to. I'm a different sort of motherfucker than you're probably used to. I just try to tell it like it is, and I don't really give a shit if you like it or not. It is what it is, even if we don't like it.

OK and how you told it is we can’t use current stats to try and prove any sort of racism by law enforcement because we don’t have all the available statistics.

 

I pointed out that the available statistics do not indicate any kind of racism by law enforcement. 
 

Not really any argument. 

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17 minutes ago, Str8tEdge said:

OK and how you told it is we can’t use current stats to try and prove any sort of racism by law enforcement because we don’t have all the available statistics.

 

I pointed out that the available statistics do not indicate any kind of racism by law enforcement. 
 

Not really any argument. 

 Maybe you have me confused with someone else. I objected to the claim that blacks commit more crime than whites. I quoted the claim. It's bullshit, and it has nothing to do with your argument about racism by law enforcement, but I'll be happy to share my thoughts on that as well. I reject the notion that so called "systemic racism" is an issue in law enforcement. That said, there are certainly racist cops, both black and white, but one must understand that racism, in and of itself, is not necessarily malignant. You can generally dislike, feel uncomfortable around, or even feel intense hatred toward any group or individual yet not wish or inflict any harm on them. Racism (or "racial bias"), like any bias, can be reasonable. There is a reason why police officers, both black and white, treat people differently. They will view a "ghetto" black who's appearance and mannerisms suggest familiarity with "gang culture" differently than blacks who's appearance and mannerisms suggest mainstream conformity, and they will view a white man in a business suit differently than a white man with long hair and a beard wearing a leather motorcycle jacket. This is not to say that they will necessarily treat them differently, but the potential exists. Circumstances will be a factor. They will view and treat the same individual differently in one circumstance than another. There are usually logical reasons why this is so, even if those reasons offend us. We may not understand their reasoning, and if we do, we may disagree, but it is rarely as simple as "they hassle us just because we're black/white/bikers/hippies/skateboarders/gay/poor/ex-cons/out of towners/dems/republicans," or whoever the righteously indignant victim of the day might be...

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14 hours ago, Pastafarian said:

My handle refers to a black man that makes pasta. 

Liar!  Pastafarian refers to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or Pastafarianism, which is a social movement that promotes a light-hearted view of religion and opposes the teaching of intelligent design and creationism in public schools. According to Pastafarians, it is a "real, legitimate religion, as much as any other". In New Zealand, Pastafarian representatives are authorized to officiate weddings. However, in the United States, a federal court has ruled that the "Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster" is not a real religion. In August 2018 the Dutch Council of State also ruled that Pastafarianism is not a religion. ----- straight out of Wikipedia.

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I’ve been here long enough, bullshitter. 

Irrelevant.  I have no idea what color you are.  You have never claimed to be black or white or any other race - yes, I searched to see if you had.  You have no photo of yourself, so I cannot see your color.  All I can do is react and respond to your writing.  Your immature, ignorant and emotion-driven writing does tell me a lot about you.  Your poor skills in this regard makes you an easy target for me to pick on.  However, your race (whatever it is) is irrelevant to me on this forum.

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2 minutes ago, Skans said:

Liar!  Pastafarian refers to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or Pastafarianism, which is a social movement that promotes a light-hearted view of religion and opposes the teaching of intelligent design and creationism in public schools. According to Pastafarians, it is a "real, legitimate religion, as much as any other". In New Zealand, Pastafarian representatives are authorized to officiate weddings. However, in the United States, a federal court has ruled that the "Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster" is not a real religion. In August 2018 the Dutch Council of State also ruled that Pastafarianism is not a religion. ----- straight out of Wikipedia.

Irrelevant.  I have no idea what color you are.  You have never claimed to be black or white or any other race - yes, I searched to see if you had.  You have no photo of yourself, so I cannot see your color.  All I can do is react and respond to your writing.  Your immature, ignorant and emotion-driven writing does tell me a lot about you and your poor skills in this regard make you an easy target for me to pick on.  However, your race (whatever it is) is irrelevant to me on this forum.

Ok. ya cheating, lyin’, condoner of thievery. 

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7 minutes ago, Pastafarian said:

Ok. ya cheating, lyin’, condoner of thievery. 

Such a typical response of Pastafarian.  Demonstrates the inability to write or argue effectively.  The content is not worth responding to beyond my initial observations.

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George Floyd’s death in Minneapolis has revived the Obama-era narrative that law enforcement is endemically racist. On Friday, Barack Obama tweeted that for millions of black Americans, being treated differently by the criminal justice system on account of race is “tragically, painfully, maddeningly ‘normal.’ ” Mr. Obama called on the police and the public to create a “new normal,” in which bigotry no longer “infects our institutions and our hearts.”

 

Joe Biden released a video the same day in which he asserted that all African-Americans fear for their safety from “bad police” and black children must be instructed to tolerate police abuse just so they can “make it home.” That echoed a claim Mr. Obama made after the ambush murder of five Dallas officers in July 2016. During their memorial service, the president said African-American parents were right to fear that their children may be killed by police officers whenever they go outside.

 

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz denounced the “stain . . . of fundamental, institutional racism” on law enforcement during a Friday press conference. He claimed blacks were right to dismiss promises of police reform as empty verbiage.

 

This charge of systemic police bias was wrong during the Obama years and remains so today. However sickening the video of Floyd’s arrest, it isn’t representative of the 375 million annual contacts that police officers have with civilians. A solid body of evidence finds no structural bias in the criminal-justice system with regard to arrests, prosecution or sentencing. Crime and suspect behavior, not race, determine most police actions.

 

In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population.

 

The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.

 

On Memorial Day weekend in Chicago alone, 10 African-Americans were killed in drive-by shootings. Such routine violence has continued—a 72-year-old Chicago man shot in the face on May 29 by a gunman who fired about a dozen shots into a residence; two 19-year-old women on the South Side shot to death as they sat in a parked car a few hours earlier; a 16-year-old boy fatally stabbed with his own knife that same day. This past weekend, 80 Chicagoans were shot in drive-by shootings, 21 fatally, the victims overwhelmingly black. Police shootings are not the reason that blacks die of homicide at eight times the rate of whites and Hispanics combined; criminal violence is.

 

The latest in a series of studies undercutting the claim of systemic police bias was published in August 2019 in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. The researchers found that the more frequently officers encounter violent suspects from any given racial group, the greater the chance that a member of that group will be fatally shot by a police officer. There is “no significant evidence of antiblack disparity in the likelihood of being fatally shot by police,” they concluded.

 

A 2015 Justice Department analysis of the Philadelphia Police Department found that white police officers were less likely than black or Hispanic officers to shoot unarmed black suspects. Research by Harvard economist Roland G. Fryer Jr. also found no evidence of racial discrimination in shootings. Any evidence to the contrary fails to take into account crime rates and civilian behavior before and during interactions with police.

 

The false narrative of systemic police bias resulted in targeted killings of officers during the Obama presidency. The pattern may be repeating itself. Officers are being assaulted and shot at while they try to arrest gun suspects or respond to the growing riots. Police precincts and courthouses have been destroyed with impunity, which will encourage more civilization-destroying violence. If the Ferguson effect of officers backing off law enforcement in minority neighborhoods is reborn as the Minneapolis effect, the thousands of law-abiding African-Americans who depend on the police for basic safety will once again be the victims.

 

The Minneapolis officers who arrested George Floyd must be held accountable for their excessive use of force and callous indifference to his distress. Police training needs to double down on de-escalation tactics. But Floyd’s death should not undermine the legitimacy of American law enforcement, without which we will continue on a path toward chaos.

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