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The down votes by conservatives in the Liberals only room should be removed and treated as posting where they shouldn't be. Either a warning or 24 hours in hell would be sufficient.

Conservative trolls Str8dge and 123urout have weaponized the vote system.They down vote every post by a targeted liberal until the rating goes negative. Str8edge also targets posters in LO.  

I am in favor of eliminating down-votes.    Say 5 down-votes were allowed per day:--- Then a targeted member could be down-voted by 150 points in a month, by just one person. And with t

1 hour ago, Olivaw said:

Conservative trolls Str8dge and 123urout have weaponized the vote system.They down vote every post by a targeted liberal until the rating goes negative. Str8edge also targets posters in LO.

 

I’m interested to hear what others think. 
 

If it does not matter then we should eliminate it. 


If it does matter then It would be interesting to hear ideas on how it can be fixed? 
 

My two-cents

 

  • it is worth keeping as a community building effort,
  • the up vote portion is an easy way to show appreciation for a post without filing threads with “+1” or “this”
  • It’s possible to up vote posts you disagree with as an acknowledgement that they enhance a thread.
  • reset everyone back to zero. I confess, part of me likes this because it would nullify the hours that 123urout spent up voting his own posts and down voting others. 
  •  it was proposed that it might be feasible to limit down votes per day without limiting up votes. Seems like an excellent idea to me.

 

Many websites allow Up Votes (sometimes in a variety of forms) but disable the Down Votes.

 

Just a thought.

 

Bill 

 

 

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1 hour ago, fourputt said:

The down votes by conservatives in the Liberals only room should be removed and treated as posting where they shouldn't be. Either a warning or 24 hours in hell would be sufficient.

 

I think a Warning would suffice.

 

The only problem is finding out who downvoted the post. 

 

You can't currently tell who actually downvoted your posts.

 

I agree with Bludog though we should limit all members to 5 downvotes per day to try and equal out the playing field when it comes to downvoting just to do it.

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6 minutes ago, zkyllonen8 said:

 

I think a Warning would suffice.

 

The only problem is finding out who downvoted the post. 

 

You can't currently tell who actually downvoted your posts.

 

I agree with Bludog though we should limit all members to 5 downvotes per day to try and equal out the playing field when it comes to downvoting just to do it.

Kfools said that he's unable to limit the number of down votes.  According to how he explained it, the down votes are either "on" or they're "off."  He said there's no way to set a number, either up or down.  However, he did say there was a way keep the "down" votes, but they don't lower the reputation points.  

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6 minutes ago, RollingRock said:

Kfools said that he's unable to limit the number of down votes.  According to how he explained it, the down votes are either "on" or they're "off."  He said there's no way to set a number, either up or down.  However, he did say there was a way keep the "down" votes, but they don't lower the reputation points.  

 

That wasn't true with earlier versions of the software. Both up votes and down votes had limits.  Perhaps he's mistake?

 

I don't have strong feeling about the matter. I think I'd be for getting rid of the down votes and the "fuck yous, morons, and idiots,"  but will hapilly go along with the consensus.

 

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53 minutes ago, zkyllonen8 said:

 

I think a Warning would suffice.

 

The only problem is finding out who downvoted the post. 

 

You can't currently tell who actually downvoted your posts.

 

I agree with Bludog though we should limit all members to 5 downvotes per day to try and equal out the playing field when it comes to downvoting just to do it.


We members can see who downvoted posts If there is only one vote. Not sure how it shows for mods but every @fourputt’s post I see has a downvote by str8edge. I’m guessing that str8edge is simply going through fourputt’s activity to find and downvote posts. 
 

I played with it last night and can upvote to offset the downvotes but it takes time and seems a bit childish to be dragged into that game. 
 

123urout does not discriminate. That boy downvotes liberal posts in general and upvotes his own posts. 🤣🤣🤣

 

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7 minutes ago, SpyCar said:

 

That wasn't true with earlier versions of the software. Both up votes and down votes had limits.  Perhaps he's mistake?

I'm not sure, Bill.  :huh:   That's what he told me.  I thought they could be changed, too.  

 

7 minutes ago, SpyCar said:

I don't have strong feeling about the matter. I think I'd be for getting rid of the down votes and the "fuck yous, morons, and idiots,"  but will hapilly go along with the consensus.

 

Bill

Yeah, the "fuck yous, morons, idiots" can all go, in my opinion.  I'd also have no problem with keeping only up votes (and maybe the laughing emoji, which I use often).  

 

 

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12 minutes ago, RollingRock said:

I'm not sure, Bill.  :huh:   That's what he told me.  I thought they could be changed, too.  

 

Yeah, the "fuck yous, morons, idiots" can all go, in my opinion.  I'd also have no problem with keeping only up votes (and maybe the laughing emoji, which I use often).  

 

 

 

Many forums--like the one that has advice on the best toaster ovens--use the Trophy, HaHa, Confused, Sad, and Up Votes. And none of the negative options.

 

Seems to work well. 

 

Bill

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12 minutes ago, SpyCar said:

 

Many forums--like the one that has advice on the best toaster ovens--use the Trophy, HaHa, Confused, Sad, and Up Votes. And one of the negative options.

 

Seems to work well. 

 

Bill

The trophy is good, all those you list.  Once we figure out what we want to do, I'll send a message to kfools and have him make the changes.  There are a few cons in NHB that constantly abuse the feature.   Like @Olivaw was saying, 123urout and Str8edge down tic posts all day long, every day.  It's idiotic.  Not exactly welcoming to new posters.

  

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14 hours ago, SpyCar said:

 

Many websites allow Up Votes (sometimes in a variety of forms) but disable the Down Votes.

 

Just a thought.

 

Bill 

 

 

I'd vote to eliminate it completely. But if there would be changes, I would suggest and up or down vote on the post only. Eliminate up or down votes associated with a particular poster's name. Treat every one as an equal. That way one could still vote up or down on a particular post but have no influence over one's perceived "reputation". This would eliminate the perceived reputation derived from self voting to inflate one's perceived good reputation, revenge voting, ganging up on someone's reputation by down votes etc. 

Just my 2 cents worth.

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10 hours ago, Olivaw said:


We members can see who downvoted posts If there is only one vote. Not sure how it shows for mods but every @fourputt’s post I see has a downvote by str8edge. I’m guessing that str8edge is simply going through fourputt’s activity to find and downvote posts. 
 

I played with it last night and can upvote to offset the downvotes but it takes time and seems a bit childish to be dragged into that game. 
 

123urout does not discriminate. That boy downvotes liberal posts in general and upvotes his own posts. 🤣🤣🤣

 

In my opinion people like 123, Madmax, Duck, contribute little to the quality of the site and only serve to deter anyone who might want to become a member from doing so. If the owner of the site wants to grow the membership, these guys are working against that goal. Eliminating the reputation feature would remove one of their toys. They'd still post their garbage day in and day out, but not being able to gang up on anyone would be an improvement. 

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2 hours ago, calguy said:

I'd vote to eliminate it completely. But if there would be changes, I would suggest and up or down vote on the post only. Eliminate up or down votes associated with a particular poster's name. Treat every one as an equal. That way one could still vote up or down on a particular post but have no influence over one's perceived "reputation". This would eliminate the perceived reputation derived from self voting to inflate one's perceived good reputation, revenge voting, ganging up on someone's reputation by down votes etc. 

Just my 2 cents worth.

 

My first impulse on hearing this thing was making a comeback (after the first disastrous roll out) was don't do it.

 

My second implulse (that came with the hand over) was also to scrap it.

 

However, I'm swayed by OlivaW's arguement in favor of keeping non-negative rep features as a community building tool.

 

If the community feeling was to scrap it, I would not object. But getting rid of the "negative" features eliminates "revenge voting" and seems like a reasonable middle ground.

 

Bill (who remains about 60/40 on this "issue")

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21 minutes ago, SpyCar said:

 

My first impulse on hearing this thing was making a comeback (after the first disastrous roll out) was don't do it.

 

My second implulse (that came with the hand over) was also to scrap it.

 

However, I'm swayed by OlivaW's arguement in favor of keeping non-negative rep features as a community building tool.

 

If the community feeling was to scrap it, I would not object. But getting rid of the "negative" features eliminates "revenge voting" and seems like a reasonable middle ground.

 

Bill (who remains about 60/40 on this "issue")

 

If this action does not make any positive change to how people us the voting system then I think that it should be scrapped all together. 

 

The people that are the aggressors in this situation go around and downvote just for the hell of it. 

 

Then you see that they have 6 "upvotes" on every single one of there posts come on now.... 

 

All this is boiling down to is a ego and popularity contest. 

 

If the changes that we are complementing right now go into effect and have no change on how things are currently doing, I agree with you Bill just to scrap the entire system as a whole.

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1 minute ago, zkyllonen8 said:

 

If this action does not make any positive change to how people us the voting system then I think that it should be scrapped all together. 

 

The people that are the aggressors in this situation go around and downvote just for the hell of it. 

 

Then you see that they have 6 "upvotes" on every single one of there posts come on now.... 

 

All this is boiling down to is a ego and popularity contest. 

 

If the changes that we are complementing right now go into effect and have no change on how things are currently doing, I agree with you Bill just to scrap the entire system as a whole.

Count me in on the scrap the whole thing category. 

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I am starting to lean towards the idea of scrapping the entire system if people can seriously not grow up and act like adults. 

 

They are using the downvote to scare new members away. 

 

And are using the Upvote to bloat there own score just for the satisfaction of a higher +whatever. 

 

I think that we should have a open poll to see what the members think about keeping the system or scrapping it. 

 

This would allow for transparency.

 

Just my opinion.

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Just now, zkyllonen8 said:

I am starting to lean towards the idea of scrapping the entire system if people can seriously not grow up and act like adults. 

 

They are using the downvote to scare new members away. 

 

And are using the Upvote to bloat there own score just for the satisfaction of a higher +whatever. 

 

I think that we should have a open poll to see what the members think about keeping the system or scrapping it. 

 

This would allow for transparency.

 

Just my opinion.

 

What are the other mods opinions? 

 

@bludog @RollingRock @impartialobserver @lucifershammer ?

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19 minutes ago, zkyllonen8 said:

 

What are the other mods opinions? 

 

@bludog @RollingRock @impartialobserver @lucifershammer ?

My thoughts are we need to minimize the negative aspects of the up/down tick feature.  I'm flexible on how we get that done.  Since kfools is unable to assign a number of down ticks, I would support getting rid of the down ticks altogether.  They do nothing but annoy, especially when there are a handful of posters who are weaponizing the feature by downticking a poster's entire posting history (which discourages participation, especially with newer posters).

 

As I see it, we now have the following options (for which we'll need a poll, eventually, to establish a consensus):

  • Get rid of the Up/Down Tic feature altogether.
  • Keep the feature, but get rid of the Down Tics (keeping the up tics and "fun" emojis - get rid of the "Fuck you!" one and perhaps others)
  • Keep both Up and Down Tics, but put a "zero" value on down tics, resulting in no change to a poster's reputation (down tic poster is essentially "shooting blanks" :lol: - they can down an individual post, but it doesn't change the rep points at all).  
  • Any other options you all can think of?

Also, I'd also support putting the names of the posters who Up/Down Tic'd (even if the "points" are neutralized).  That way mods can keep an eye on who is abusing the feature.

 

As a new moderator, my TOP goal here is to bring more liberals, progressives, social democrats, leftists, greens, democratic socialists, and other left-leaning posters TO this forum (and, in turn, work to eliminate the reasons they often leave).  

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33 minutes ago, zkyllonen8 said:

 

What are the other mods opinions? 

 

@bludog @RollingRock @impartialobserver @lucifershammer ?

Upvotes and downvotes  are dumb and serve no purpose.  The emojis are good but that's it.  Since the idiots wanna abuse this feature then take it away and tell the members exactly why and who was being an ass.  And remind them that had it not  been for the idiots they'd still have the feature. 

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21 minutes ago, RollingRock said:

 

 

As a new moderator, my TOP goal here is to bring more liberals, progressives, social democrats, leftists, greens, democratic socialists, and other left-leaning posters TO this forum (and, in turn, work to eliminate the reasons they often leave).  

When most people come into this site and see the garbage and vulgar insults being thrown at liberals by a few of the cons, (we all know who they are), they turn around and leave. If you want more members then you're going to have to make it a more friendly place. Who wants to get bashed by vulgar right wing assholes every time they post an opinion?

As for myself, this is entertainment  for the most part. The majority of my screen time is spent on other purely liberal sites that have much better ethics codes than this place. 

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RWNJs will never upvote anything any liberal ever says, and will always upvote each other and themselves. Low effort posts like 'LOL DUM LIBRUL U GOT TDS LOL' effectively serve the same purpose as a downvote, and are easier to ignore. We're also still getting those... so the voting system is already redundant.

 

On top of this, the moment someone sees someone with low karma, they know it's probably because the RWNJs ganged up on them and drove it down out of pettiness. I can't imagine anyone sees that someone on this site has a negative reputation and thinks 'OMG they must be a disruptive influence, better stay away from them!'... so what's the point? It reminds me of this:

 

 

Maybe on some forums with more rules and more civility it could work, but here it's just a distraction.

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1 hour ago, zkyllonen8 said:

I am starting to lean towards the idea of scrapping the entire system if people can seriously not grow up and act like adults. 

 

They are using the downvote to scare new members away. 

 

And are using the Upvote to bloat there own score just for the satisfaction of a higher +whatever. 

 

I think that we should have a open poll to see what the members think about keeping the system or scrapping it. 

 

This would allow for transparency.

 

Just my opinion.

 

25 minutes ago, lucifershammer said:

Upvotes and downvotes  are dumb and serve no purpose.  The emojis are good but that's it.  Since the idiots wanna abuse this feature then take it away and tell the members exactly why and who was being an ass.  And remind them that had it not  been for the idiots they'd still have the feature. 

 

Scrap the system.

 

I agree with zkylonnen and lucifershammer.   There will always be members who abuse the up/down vote system.  I've seen it more than once, in the past, and now it's occurring again.

 

41 minutes ago, RollingRock said:

s I see it, we now have the following options (for which we'll need a poll, eventually, to establish a consensus):

  • Get rid of the Up/Down Tic feature altogether.
  • Keep the feature, but get rid of the Down Tics (keeping the up tics and "fun" emojis - get rid of the "Fuck you!" one and perhaps others)
  • Keep both Up and Down Tics, but put a "zero" value on down tics, resulting in no change to a poster's reputation (down tic poster is essentially "shooting blanks" :lol: - they can down an individual post, but it doesn't change the rep points at all).  
  • Any other options you all can think of?

Also, I'd also support putting the names of the posters who Up/Down Tic'd (even if the "points" are neutralized).  That way mods can keep an eye on who is abusing the feature.

 

As a new moderator, my TOP goal here is to bring more liberals, progressives, social democrats, leftists, greens, democratic socialists, and other left-leaning posters TO this forum (and, in turn, work to eliminate the reasons they often leave).  

 

In an earlier post, I was in favor of keeping upvotes and scrapping downvotes.  I now feel upvotes would be abused also, for the reason zkyllonen posted :---  Certain members are bloating their own group's reputation by upvoting virtually everything they post.

 

Say a Liberal is trying to decide to join or not and sees that Conservative members have far higher reputation scores than Liberals.  Few Liberals would want to join such a board.

 

 

 

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