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Liberals simply cannot accept the fact that the "people" have never elected a President.  The states, however, have elected about 45 of them.

 

 

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57 minutes ago, Pastafarian said:

Great argument against the electoral college.

 

There is no argument against the electoral college...it is what our Founding Fathers who fought and risked life and property against the odds to create America...wanted. Not a bunch of arrogant / pompous soft handed know-it-alls.

 

 

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54 minutes ago, Pastafarian said:

I saw this awhile back and it popped up on YouTube again. 
 

 

Mr. Martin is the one with a completely misguided view of the electoral college and what our country is, a REPUBLIC. In other words a collection of separate states. The electoral college is essential in keeping (or trying to) keep this very important dynamic (federalism) alive in this country.

 

What Mr. Maritn and others of his belief want is a different type of country with a completely different system of government than what exists with our constitution. Perhaps they favor a parliamentary system. Well the constitution is allowed to be changed. Hard, but there are 27 amendments that have been added.

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1 minute ago, Old Mack said:
51 minutes ago, EdithMcCroch said:

Respectfully, this is one subject we disagree on.  

 

The EC exists for a reason.  Hillary didnt lose because of the EC - she lost because she failed to campaign in key states.  She took them for granted.

 

The EC gives rural areas as much say as NYC and this is how it should be.

I was not for Clinton. 
 

Just sayin’ it’s a pretty good argument. 
 


 

 

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1 hour ago, EdithMcCroch said:

Respectfully, this is one subject we disagree on.  

 

The EC exists for a reason.  Hillary didnt lose because of the EC - she lost because she failed to campaign in key states.  She took them for granted.

 

The EC gives rural areas as much say as NYC and this is how it should be.

Yeah, the Founding Fathers did not actually have a damned thing to do with Santa Barbara or Hollywood. The Population of the US in 1790 was 3,893,635. Of those, 694,286 were slaves.

In the first presidential election, 43, 782 votes were cast, all for George Washington. That was a tad over 11.2% of the total population.

 

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30 minutes ago, BatteryPowered said:

Liberals simply cannot accept the fact that the "people" have never elected a President.  The states, however, have elected about 45 of them.

 

 

 

By the States, for the States or By the People, for the People.

 

And tough luck if where the people want to live is in California and New York.  One man one vote (something the Flyover cannot accept).

 

Never has there been such a stupid defense as trying to say there is something fair about Jimmy gets 12 votes Sally gets 15 so - Jimmy wins.

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1 minute ago, Pengwin said:

 

By the States, for the States or By the People, for the People.

 

And tough luck if where the people want to live is in California and New York.  One man one vote (something the Flyover cannot accept).

 

Never has there such a stupid defense as trying to say there is something fair about Jimmy gets 12 votes Sally gets 15 so - Jimmy wins.

 

It's not my fault you can't except the fact that the states elect the President.  People paid for your schooling...you should have done more than chew the covers off the books.

 

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21 minutes ago, Old Mack said:

 

There is no argument against the electoral college...it is what our Founding Fathers who fought and risked life and property against the odds to create America...wanted. Not a bunch of arrogant / pompous soft handed know-it-alls.

 

 

 

This is 2020, not 1789.  They also owed people as property.  Should that still be true today?  And they didn't want people directly electing their Senators but we do today (17th Amendment).  Is that wrong as well because it's not the way they wanted it?

 

The EC is a relic of times long past.  And there's nothing at democratic about an election in a democratic republic in which the loser can win.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Pengwin said:

 

By the States, for the States or By the People, for the People.

 

And tough luck if where the people want to live is in California and New York.  One man one vote (something the Flyover cannot accept).

 

Never has there such a stupid defense as trying to say there is something fair about Jimmy gets 12 votes Sally gets 15 so - Jimmy wins.

 

Keep it simple, moron.

 

You are wrong. The Constitution is Clear.

 

We are a Constitutional Republic - no matter how filled your diapers got over the Fact that we are Not a Democracy.

 

Ha!

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4 minutes ago, BatteryPowered said:

 

It's not my fault you can't except the fact that the states elect the President.  People paid for your schooling...you should have done more than chew the covers off the books.

 

 

Good to know that you think the states should elect the President.  Why have the people vote at all then, as the states know better?

 

Just go back to when the people didn't elect their senators as well (the legislature knew better).

 

Have them elect the President as well and save me the trouble of voting for the highest authority in the land.

 

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2 minutes ago, Blue Devil said:

 

Keep it simple, moron.

 

You are wrong. The Constitution is Clear.

 

We are a Constitutional Republic - no matter how filled you diapers got over the Fact that we are Not a Democracy.

 

Ha!

 

We are a Constitutional Democratic Republic.  There are republics that are not democratic.  We aren't one of them.

 

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1 minute ago, Pengwin said:

Why have the people vote at all then, as the states know better?

 

Because every state gets to determine how their presidential electors are decided...and they have decided to let THEIR eligible voters elect the electors.  Besides, they must decided who will hold the various state and local offices that are on the ballot, accept or reject state constitutional amendments, approve or defeat bond issues, approve of defeat changes to city/county ordinances, etc..

 

Have you ever voted?  You don't seem to know much about the process.

 

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6 minutes ago, Pengwin said:

 

This is 2020, not 1789.  They also owed people as property.  Should that still be true today?  And they didn't want people directly electing their Senators but we do today (17th Amendment).  Is that wrong as well because it's not the way they wanted it?

 

The EC is a relic of times long past.  And there's nothing at democratic about an election in a democratic republic in which the loser can win.

 

 

The EC works fine...

You just can't accept the fact that it works fairly...

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3 minutes ago, Pengwin said:

 

We are a Constitutional Democratic Republic.  There are republics that are not democratic.  We aren't one of them.

 

 

So why the diaper-load over the Electoral College?

 

It's in the Constitution.

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Just now, Z09 said:

The EC works fine...

You just can't accept the fact that it works fairly...

 

Anything that allows the loser to win - isn't working just fine.

 

And it works nothing at like - fairly.  That would me one man (one citizen) one vote.  Period.

 

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Just now, Blue Devil said:

 

You are upsetting the Children.

 

I'm educating them, unlike you who cannot.

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7 minutes ago, BatteryPowered said:

Have you ever voted?  You don't seem to know much about the process.

 

 

If you believe that you then really are a moron.  Just because I refuse to accept a hack of the Founders, which is dead wrong now, doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about, it means that I do.

 

The Constitution was a hack when it was written, even the Founders weren't sure what it meant, and the EC is one of the elements that turns what should be an election by those governed into a farce.

 

But, since they never wanted most to have a vote, ever, it's understandable but it's also - wrong. Just as 3/5ths was wrong.

 

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30 minutes ago, Pastafarian said:

I was not for Clinton. 
 

Just sayin’ it’s a pretty good argument. 

 

Listen to it...the argument is idiotic on so many levels.

 

The slavery / Civil War had nothing to do with the Electoral College. (Just ask any Irish Catholic from back than)

 

The DEMs lost the elections even tho they had the popular vote because that is how the Founding Fathers wanted it to be.

 

What if the REPUBs started saying...We should have a King just because they think elections are outdated; should it be even considered ?

 

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4 minutes ago, Old Mack said:

 

The DEMs lost the elections even tho they had the popular vote because that is how the Founding Fathers wanted it to be.

 

 

And to paraphrase Jefferson, you are being ruled by dead men, like trying to wear the coat as an adult that fit you as a child, making you - an idiot ruled by his barbarous ancestors instead of yourself.

 

He wouldn't stand for that so why do you?  I'm with Jefferson, all laws (including the Constitution) naturally expire after 19 years.  Don't be ruled by - dead men (no matter how insightful or progressive in their time).

 

 

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So, kids, your kid comes home as says she got the most votes but the teacher decided the other kid won.  What's your answer to her?

 

Or maybe the election was boys' votes are worth two and girls' one?  Seem fair to you? It doesn't to me.

 

And it's no more complicated than that.  Does the majority rule in an election, or not?

 

 

 

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