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Australian researchers see virus design manipulation


by Bill Gertz


A forthcoming Australian scientific study concludes that the coronavirus causing the global pandemic contains unique properties suggesting it was manipulated in a Chinese laboratory and was not the result of a natural occurrence.


Five scientists who conducted the study discovered an unusual ability of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, as the pathogen behind COVID-19 is called, to easily infect humans.


The scientists said there is no sign so far that the virus can be found in other animals, including bats or the exotic wildlife sold for fresh meat at a market in the Chinese city of Wuhan, where the virus was first identified and where China maintains a major laboratory studying such viruses.


The preliminary report of the study, which is now being peer-reviewed, is based on computer modeling of the virus’ ability to infect various animals, including humans. It was published May 13 on the Cornell University website arXiv.org, which is used for discussion of pre-publication papers.


Nikolai Petrovsky, the lead researcher, said his team suspects human manipulation in Wuhan because of the unmatched ability of the virus’ protruding spike to infect human cells.

 

The virus’ binding strength for human cells “far exceeds” similar properties for infecting other animals, he said in a statement on the forthcoming report.


“This, plus the fact that no corresponding virus has been found to exist in nature, leads to the possibility that COVID-19 is a human-created virus,” said Mr. Petrovsky, a professor at the College of Medicine and Public Health at Flinders University in Adelaide, Australia.


“It is therefore entirely plausible that the virus was created in the biosecurity facility in Wuhan by selection on cells expressing human ACE2, a laboratory that was known to be cultivating exotic bat coronaviruses at the time.”


ACE2 is the acronym for angiotensin-converting enzyme 2, which is on cell surfaces. The enzyme is the entry point the coronavirus uses to infect organisms and spread.


Human lung cells contain ACE2 receptors that have been shown to be key targets of the SARS-CoV-2.


A laboratory-treated coronavirus also could have escaped the facility through an accidental infection of a staff member who then visited the Wuhan wild animal market, Mr. Petrovsky said. Other potential sources include inappropriate disposal of medical waste at a Wuhan laboratory or transmission from a cat or other animal that came into contact with infected waste.


Mr. Petrovsky said the research team believes the quick evolution of the coronavirus and its unique ability to infect humans are either “a remarkable coincidence or a sign of human intervention.”


... snip ...


‘Highly adapted’ pathogen


The forthcoming study, however, concludes that the binding energy of the virus’ “spike” protein — the crownlike protrusions surrounding the surface of the round microbe — is highest for humans and greater than all other species tested, including bats, which have been widely targeted as the likely original source.


“This indicates that SARS-CoV-2 is a highly adapted human pathogen,” the Australian report said.


The team analyzed spike protein binding of the virus on a range of other animals, including pangolins, civets, mice, hamsters, cats, dogs, snakes, horses, tigers and cows.


“Overall, the data indicates that SARS-CoV-2 is uniquely adapted to infect humans, raising important questions as to whether it arose in nature by a rare chance event or whether its origins might lie elsewhere,” the report said.


Jonathan J. Couey, a research assistant professor of neurobiology at the University of Pittsburgh, said he agrees with the Australian findings.


“Understanding the exact origin of this virus is vital to ensure that all scientific and medical data are interpreted correctly by policymakers and health care professionals alike,” Mr. Couey said.


However, he said, debate on the laboratory origin of the virus has been stymied by scientists opposed to even considering the possibility.


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The Australian study is the second scientific paper to suggest laboratory manipulation played a part.


A group of Indian scientists published a paper on Jan. 31 that found the new coronavirus contained four insertions to the spike protein that are unique to SARS-CoV-2 and not found in other coronaviruses. The features, they said, are similar to those found in the virus known as HIV.


Those scientists concluded that similar structures are “unlikely to be fortuitous in nature.”


The Indian paper was withdrawn under pressure from China, but the scientists involved refused to repudiate their research and promised to publish their findings eventually.


Mr. Petrovsky, who is also research director for Vaxine Pty Ltd., a biotechnology company based in Bedford Park, South Australia, said the source of the virus remains a vitally important question.


“While COVID-19 has close similarities to SARS and other bat viruses, no natural virus matching to COVID-19 has been found in nature despite an intensive search to find its origins,” he said. “This raises the very legitimate question of whether the COVID-19 virus might be the result of human intervention.”


Like other scientists who studied the virus, the Australian team did not find easily recognizable artificial gene inserts that would signal virus engineering. Mr. Petrovsky said there are ways to manipulate viruses without such inserts.


For example, laboratory technicians could take a bat coronavirus that is not infectious to humans and force its evolution by culturing the virus with cells that have the human receptor.


That process was used to culture SARS coronaviruses in laboratories.


The result would be that “you can force the bat virus to adapt to infect human cells via mutations in its spike protein,” Mr. Petrovsky said.


Laboratory development of viruses also can create other random mutations.


“The result of these experiments is a virus that is highly virulent in humans but is sufficiently different that it no longer resembles the original bat virus,” he said.


Since those mutations would be acquired randomly in a laboratory, there would be no signature of bioengineering “but this is clearly a virus still created by human intervention.”

 


Hmmmmm ...

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29 minutes ago, EdithMcCroch said:

 

All American puppets and vassal states are getting in line....The China Blame Game

Why is the left suddenly a bunch of China apologists?

 

They aren't your fucking friends.

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2 minutes ago, kfools said:

Why is the left suddenly a bunch of China apologists?

 

They aren't your fucking friends.

The establishment left are fake apologists - simply to be opposite of Trump.

 

Progressives like myself know history and realize that once the US govt

starts a verbal campaign against a country, that war often soon follows.  Usually with disastrous results.

 

Friends?  China has never attacked us.  I prefer to have less enemies - not more

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1 minute ago, EdithMcCroch said:

The establishment left are fake apologists - simply to be opposite of Trump.

 

Progressives like myself know history and realize that once the US govt

starts a verbal campaign against a country, that war often soon follows.  Usually with disastrous results.

 

Friends?  China has never attacked us.  I prefer to have less enemies - not more

War with China is inevitable.

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1 minute ago, kfools said:

War with China is inevitable.

The Borg wants war with all non-vassal countries - especially if they have resources. 

 

Its called Imperialism.

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1 minute ago, EdithMcCroch said:

The Borg wants war with all non-vassal countries - especially if they have resources. 

 

Its called Imperialism.

Even the federation didn't provoke the Borg.

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3 minutes ago, kfools said:

Even the federation didn't provoke the Borg.

The Borg isnt what it used to be. 

 

The world is realigning and most countries no longer trust the Borg; instead they see the Borg as THE PROBLEM

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18 minutes ago, kfools said:

Why is the left suddenly a bunch of China apologists?

 

They aren't your fucking friends.


I’m no fan of China but every one of these conspiracy theories about COVID-19 have turned out to be absolute bunk. The preponderance of the evidence suggests that the genetic makeup of this virus is consistent with natural mutation. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200317175442.htm
 

I think it’s sensible to remain skeptical of thIs latest conspiracy theory until there is more than a reference in a conservative newspaper to an unpublished study. 

 

10 minutes ago, kfools said:

War with China is inevitable.


Why and to what end? 

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4 minutes ago, EdithMcCroch said:

Progressives like myself know history and realize that once the US govt

starts a verbal campaign against a country, that war often soon follows. 

 

Friends?  China has never attacked us. 

 

Just curious, newbie.   Since you claim to *know* so much history, what do you think about the fact that in the year 2000 Communist China's Defense Minister, Chi Haotian, publically stated that war with the US was "inevitable"?  What do you think about the fact that from 1995 to 2011, China had built about 3000 miles of nuclear hardened tunnels (and who knows how many bunkers), far beyond any need to make it's nuclear arsenal survivable against a first strike.  This at a time when Clinton and Bush had ensured we were on good terms with China ... indeed, Clinton and Bush (both members of the UNIPARTY) were allowing China to steal us blind in terms of technology and military secrets.   What do you think about the fact that in 2011, Obama's own Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, told the Senate that China poses the most serious “mortal threat” to the United States among nation states.   Wasn't Obama a "progressive" like yourself?   Just curious about your response to all those facts, SNOWFLAKE.

 

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6 minutes ago, EdithMcCroch said:

The Borg isnt what it used to be. 

 

The world is realigning and most countries no longer trust the Borg; instead they see the Borg as THE PROBLEM

So what's changed?

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1 hour ago, BeAChooser said:

There were some Indian researchers at the beginning of the outbreak who mapped the genome and found Like 4 specific inserts that were man made. Their  paper got trashed, 

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3 minutes ago, BeAChooser said:

 

Just curious, newbie.   Since you claim to *know* so much history, what do you think about the fact that in the year 2000 Communist China's Defense Minister, Chi Haotian, publically stated that war with the US was "inevitable"?  What do you think about the fact that from 1995 to 2011, China had built about 3000 miles of nuclear hardened tunnels (and who knows how many bunkers), far beyond any need to make it's nuclear arsenal survivable against a first strike.  This at a time when Clinton and Bush had ensured we were on good terms with China ... indeed, Clinton and Bush (both members of the UNIPARTY) were allowing China to steal us blind in terms of technology and military secrets.   What do you think about the fact that in 2011, Obama's own Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, told the Senate that China poses the most serious “mortal threat” to the United States among nation states.   Wasn't Obama a "progressive" like yourself?   Just curious about your response to all those facts, SNOWFLAKE.

 

the fact that in the year 2000 Communist China's Defense Minister, Chi Haotian, publically stated that war with the US was "inevitable"?  

Because he knew US would eventually start war with China.  He stated it from a defensive standpoint.  He knew DC loons love war.

 

China had built about 3000 miles of nuclear hardened tunnels (and who knows how many bunkers), far beyond any need to make it's nuclear arsenal survivable against a first strike.This at a time when Clinton and Bush had ensured we were on good terms with China

See above.  Countries know the US DC Loons will turn on you at any moment....break treaties etc.

 

Obama's own Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, told the Senate that China poses the most serious “mortal threat” to the United States among nation states.

Clapper? Really?  Clapper is an establishment hardliner.  He is neither left or right.  He is a henchman for the mafia.

 

Wasn't Obama a "progressive" like yourself?

See above on Clapper.  Obama was simply a tool of the DC cabal of thieves and loons.  He is soulless...amoral...a mirror of DC

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11 minutes ago, kfools said:

So what's changed?

1. 20 years of criminal wars for the world to see

2. The uniting of Russia, China and Iran.  Primarily China and Russia having their strongest relationship in their history.

3. Allies being bullied constantly to comply or be sanctioned 

4. The world seeing the US fund the Saudi war killing a million Yemenis

5. The world seeing the US fund terrorists in the middle east as proxy armies

6. Oil prices falling and killing shale

7. Countries moving toward de-dollarization so as to be released form the mafia's grasp

8.  Massive US debt coupled with cv19 problems

 

I could go on...

 

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11 minutes ago, EdithMcCroch said:

1. 20 years of criminal wars for the world to see

2. The uniting of Russia, China and Iran.  Primarily China and Russia having their strongest relationship in their history.

3. Allies being bullied constantly to comply or be sanctioned 

4. The world seeing the US fund the Saudi war killing a million Yemenis

5. The world seeing the US fund terrorists in the middle east as proxy armies

6. Oil prices falling and killing shale

7. Countries moving toward de-dollarization so as to be released form the mafia's grasp

8.  Massive US debt coupled with cv19 problems

 

I could go on...

 

All of these things lead to war.

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33 minutes ago, BeAChooser said:

 

Perhaps you should ask the Chinese, Olivaw.


The Chinese government is not on this forum saying war is inevitable, Chooser. @kfools is. That’s why I asked him. He didn’t answer so I’ll dismiss it as a throwaway comment for now. 

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8 minutes ago, kfools said:

All of these things lead to war.

Sadly, yes.  Hegemons must maintain their Hegemony at any cost....until they cant.  See France, Macedon, Greece, Rome (Romans) and England.

Hegemons always crumble

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6 minutes ago, Olivaw said:


The Chinese government is not on this forum saying war is inevitable, Chooser. @kfools is. That’s why I asked him. He didn’t answer so I’ll dismiss it as a throwaway comment for now. 

Must not have caught the question.

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3 minutes ago, EdithMcCroch said:

Sadly, yes.  Hegemons must maintain their Hegemony at any cost....until they cant.  See France, Macedon, Greece, Rome (Romans) and England.

Hegemons always crumble

Everything always crumbles.

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10 minutes ago, kfools said:

Everything always crumbles.

Yes.

 

I used to be able to run 4 miles a day...or most days.   Now, if I run more than 2 miles my knees kill me the next day.😐

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3 hours ago, CommieSlayinGirl said:

There were some Indian researchers at the beginning of the outbreak who mapped the genome and found Like 4 specific inserts that were man made. Their  paper got trashed, 

 

Yes, mentioned in the article I quoted.

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1 hour ago, EdithMcCroch said:

He stated it from a defensive standpoint.

 

Really?   You think China only thinks defensively?   Is that why China threatened to use force against Taiwan in 1996?  Out of far of aggression from little Taiwan?   

 

And how does their claim to only be defensive claim square with their claim they will be Asia's dominant power by 2029 and a global power by 2049?

 

And you don't know squat, EMC.

 

In a speech that Chi Haotian gave in 2005 titled "The War Is Approaching Us", he pointed out the fact that China needs foreign resources for modernization and development.   He said "For example, China needs to import oil for its economic development, and to import raw materials such as lumber, in order to protect its environment from deforestation."   That "China will need to consume 100 million tons of oil in 2010, and 200 million tons in 2020."   And that "China needs to be prepared for war" to get those resources in order to continue its development.    He said "this right to development is threatened more and more over time, it is time for us to pick up arms to guard this national right."  And that, snowflake, implies using OFFENSIVE power to do it.  He essentially said in the speech that the rest of the world would not be allowed to deny China the resources they want. He said that "modernization under the saber" was the only option for China's continued development."  He said that if war erupts between China and the US/Japan, it would be a war to "deprive China of its right to development."  He said "only with the power that is capable of totally extinguishing Japan and crippling the United States can we win peace."  And that the purpose of acquiring that power in the short term is to keep the US and Japan from interfering in and OFFENSIVE war that China will start on little ol' Taiwan.  That's not a defensive context at all for his statement that war with us in inevitable.

 

In another speech in 2005, titled "War Is Not Far from Us and Is the Midwife of the Chinese Century ", Chi Haotian said (http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/5-8-8/31055.html ) that "we have a vital stake overseas."  i ask you, how can the be thinking "defensively" in the context you suggest when that's true.  Their view is that they have to project power overseas to control access to foreign resources.   In the speech the admits that China's government conducted an internal survey to "figure out what the Chinese people’s attitude towards war is."   He said "The purpose of the CCP Central Committee in conducting this survey is to probe people’s minds. We wanted to know: If China’s global development will necessitate massive deaths in enemy countries, will our people endorse that scenario? Will they be for or against it?"   And he was elated that "more than 80 percent of the respondents answered in the affirmative, exceeding by far our expectations."  In short, China is planning on OFFENSIVE war ... and even going so far as to survey it's populace about their attitude towards doing so.   

 

 In that speech, Chi Haotian also wrote that "our 'development' refers to the great revitalization of the Chinese nation, which, of course, is not limited to the land we have now but also includes the whole world."  He then went on to say "As everybody knows, according to the views propagated by the Western scholars, humanity as a whole originated from one single mother in Africa. Therefore, no race can claim racial superiority. However, according to the research conducted by most Chinese scholars, the Chinese are different from other races on earth."  Then by a string of convoluted logic, he ends up say9ing "Hitler’s Germany had once bragged that the German race was the most superior race on Earth, but the fact is, our nation is far superior to the Germans."   Think about the implications of such a statement, snowflake.  Especially when he follows that by saying "We all know that on account of our national superiority, during the thriving and prosperous Tang Dynasty our civilization was at the peak of the world. We were the center of the world civilization, and no other civilization in the world was comparable to ours. Later on, because of our complacency, narrow-mindedness, and the self-enclosure of our own country, we were surpassed by Western civilization, and the center of the world shifted to the West.   In reviewing history, one may ask: Will the center of the world civilization shift back to China?"   I ask you, how can a Chinese military leader who you claim was only speaking defensively, hold such a vision .. that of China dominating the world while referring positively to Nazi Germany in the same breath?  

 

Chi Haotian then talks about the 19th century as being the "British Century", the 20th century the "American Century" and then says the 21st century will be the "Chinese Century".  He states that the "Chinese Century" is "the goal of our Party’s endeavors."  Now think about that, EMC. Both the British Century and the American Century involved those countries having a huge military presence in other countries around the world, often placed there by force of arms.   Surely you must realize that Chi Haotian envisions the Chinese doing the same thing ... only with Chinese troops filling the role that British and American troops filled earlier.  That again is contrary to the picture you tried to paint of Chi speaking only "defensively."   China will not be able to do that without PROJECTING offensive power and imposing it on other countries.   You don't know SQUAT about China or history, snowflake.

 

Even more sobering is what Chi Haotian states next.   "We must greet the arrival of the Chinese Century by raising high the banner of national revitalization. How should we fight for the realization of the Chinese Century? We must borrow the precious experiences in human history by taking advantage of the outstanding fruition of human civilization and drawing lessons from what happened to other ethnic groups."  And where does Chi go for that inspiration?  NAZI GERMANY.   He says "As we all know, Nazi Germany also placed much emphasis on the education of the people, especially the younger generation. The Nazi party and government organized and established various propaganda and educational institutions such as the “Guiding Bureau of National Propaganda,” “Department of National Education and Propaganda,” “Supervising Bureau of Worldview Study and Education,” and “Information Office,” all aimed at instilling into the people’s minds, from elementary schools to colleges, the idea that German people are superior, and convincing people that the historical mission of the Arian people is to become the “lords of earth” that “rule over the world.”  Back then the German people were much more united than we are today.  Nonetheless, Germany was defeated in utter shame, along with its ally, Japan. Why? We reached some conclusions at the study meetings of the Politburo, in which we were searching for the laws that governed the vicissitudes of the big powers, and trying to analyze Germany and Japan’s rapid growth. When we decide to revitalize China based on the German model, we must not repeat the mistakes they made.   Specifically, the following are the fundamental causes for their defeat: First, they had too many enemies all at once, as they did not adhere to the principle of eliminating enemies one at a time; second, they were too impetuous, lacking the patience and perseverance required for great accomplishments; third, when the time came for them to be ruthless, they turned out to be too soft, therefore leaving troubles that resurfaced later on."  In other worlds, he admits that China plans to be stealthy, deceiptful, patient and ruthless in their plan for world domination.  And succeed where the Nazi's failed.   There isn't an ounce of "defensiveness" in that statement, snowflake.   That proves you don't know SQUAT about China or history. 

 

And next he says this ... "Let’s presume that back then Germany and Japan had been able to keep the United States neutral and had fought a protracted war step by step on the Soviet front. If they had adopted this approach, gained some time to advance their research, eventually succeeded in obtaining the technology of nuclear weapons and missiles, and launched surprise attacks against the United States and the Soviet Union using them, then the United States and the Soviet Union would not have been able to defend themselves and would have had to surrender."   Again, there's not one iota of defensive in that statement.   Chi Haotian was speaking ONLY offensively in who is going to start the war.  CHINA. 

 

And there are more gems in that speech.   Chi Haotian says "Ostensibly, in comparison, today’s China is alarmingly similar to Germany back then. Both of them regard themselves as the most superior races; both of them have a history of being exploited by foreign powers and are therefore vindictive; both of them have the tradition of worshipping their own authorities; both of them feel that they have seriously insufficient living space; both of them raise high the two banners of nationalism and socialism and label themselves as “national socialism”; both of them worship “one state, one party, one leader, and one doctrine.”   And yet, if we really are to make a comparison between Germany and China, then, as Comrade Jiang Zemin put it, Germany belongs to “pediatrics”—too trivial to be compared. How large is Germany’s population? How big is its territory? And how long is its history? We eliminated eight million Nationalist troops in only three years. How many enemies did Germany kill? They were in power for a transient period of little more than a dozen years before they perished, while we are still energetic after being around for more than eighty years. Our theory of the shifting center of civilization is of course more profound than the Hitler’s theory of “the lords of the earth.” Our civilization is profound and broad, which has determined that we are so much wiser than they were.    Our Chinese people are wiser than the Germans because, fundamentally, our race is superior to theirs."   If you aren't posting from China for the Chinese government, then that statement should scare you.  Does it?   

 

If not, then how about what he said a little later in his speech:  "Take response to war as an example. The reason that the United States remains today is that it has never seen war on its mainland. Once its enemies aim at the mainland, they enemies would have already reached Washington before its congress finishes debating and authorizes the president to declare war. But for us, we don’t waste time on these trivial things. Comrade Deng Xiaoping once said, “The Party’s leadership is prompt in making decisions. Once a decision is made, it is immediately implemented. There’s no wasting time on trivial things like in capitalist countries. This is our advantage.” Our Party’s democratic centralism is built on the tradition of great unity. Although fascist Germany also stressed high-level centralism, they only focused on the power of the country’s executive, but ignored the collective leadership of the central group. That’s why Hitler was betrayed by many later in his life, which fundamentally depleted the Nazis of their war capacity."  Again, China's top military leader at the time used Nazi Germany as a role model that should be *improved* upon.   And suggested invading the US mainland.   Hardly a defensive point of view, EMC.  I suggest you don't know SQUAT about what you're talking about.   

 

And there's plenty more in his speech to contest the LIE that you spouted.  For example, Chi Haotian says "Germany's dream to be the 'lord of the earth' failed, because ultimately, history did not bestow this great mission upon them. But the three lessons Germany learned from experience are what we ought to remember as we complete our historic mission and revitalize our race. The three lessons are: Firmly grasp the country's living space, firmly grasp the Party's control over the nation, and firmly grasp the general direction toward becoming the 'lord of the earth.'"  To address the first lesson, "living space", he states "we must lead the Chinese people outside of China, so that they could develop outside of China."   That's OFFENSIVE, not defensive.   He says in the speech that "we must combine economic development with preparation for war and leading the people to go out!  ... snip ... Our economic development is all about preparing for the need of war! Publicly we still emphasize economic development as our center, but in reality, economic development has war as its center! We have made a tremendous effort to construct “The Great Wall Project” to build up, along our coastal and land frontiers as well as around large and medium-sized cities, a solid underground “Great Wall” that can withstand a nuclear war. We are also storing all necessary war materials." And the purpose of all that is so they can "lead the people to go out and to ensure the Party’s leadership position."   And then he says "In any event, we, the CCP, will never step down from the stage of history! We’d rather have the whole world, or even the entire globe, share life and death with us than step down from the stage of history!!! ... snip ... If we, the CCP, are finished, China will be finished, and the world will be finished."  There he is threatening the whole world ... saying that the CCP will destroy the world if they can't prevail over the west.  

 

He continues ... "Our Party’s historical mission is to lead the Chinese people to go out. If we take the long view, we will see that history led us on this path. ... snip ...  Fifth, China’s great economic expansion will inevitably come with a significant development in our military forces, creating conditions for our expansion overseas. Even since Napoleon’s time, the West has been has been alert for the possible awakening of the sleeping lion that is China. Now, the sleeping lion is standing up and advancing into the world, and has become unstoppable!"  That's not a defensive outlook, EMC, that's a OFFENSIVE outlook.  The truth is you lied about the context in which Chi Haotian spoke of the inevitability of war.  

 

Now I'm not going to bother with the rest of Chi Haotian's speech.   The above proves you don't know SQUAT about China or history or where Chi Haotian was coming from.   You're nothing but another liberal spouting hot air.  Welcome to LF, snowflake.

 

1 hour ago, EdithMcCroch said:

Wasn't Obama a "progressive" like yourself?

See above on Clapper.  Obama was simply a tool of the DC cabal of thieves and loons.  He is soulless...amoral...a mirror of DC

 

LOL!   So ... you're admitting you're to the left of communist Obama?  B)

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4 hours ago, Olivaw said:


I’m no fan of China but every one of these conspiracy theories about COVID-19 have turned out to be absolute bunk. The preponderance of the evidence suggests that the genetic makeup of this virus is consistent with natural mutation. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200317175442.htm
 

Nonsense. It's novel virus.  We have no clue if it was engineered.

 

I mean sure,

 

It's possible a bat,that happened to be the market next to the viral weapons research lab that was studying the Coronavirus Urinated on people and we got a new Coronavirus.

 

It's possible China shut down the entire city at just a couple dozen cases cause they were just worried.

 

It possible they lied about the Virus for months for a GOOD reason nobody knows.

 

All of that is possible I guess.

 

But I doubt it.

 

4 hours ago, Olivaw said:

I think it’s sensible to remain skeptical of thIs latest conspiracy theory until there is more than a reference in a conservative newspaper to an unpublished study. 

 


Why and to what end? 

 

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