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What is Your Line?  

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  1. 1. What Upcoming Phenomenon is Beyond Your Ability to Accept, Tolerate, or Support?

    • Biometrics - technology integrated into one's body for ID, security, banking, location tracking, etc.
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    • Social Credit - your actions, thoughts, and beliefs being harvested through social media and other institutions to determine your rights as a citizen.
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    • Cashless Society - all business transactions required to be "on-grid" and databased for potentially "problematic" lifestyles.
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    • Other - please elaborate
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I've been very disheartened with the trajectory of society in the west. Technology, cultural relativism, post-truth, and corporate nihilism have become braided into one nightmarish strain of public life. I've tried to resist the various aspects of these developments. A few years ago, it occurred to me that, in order to avoid falling victim to the slippery slope and being systematically conditioned to tolerate more and more reprehensible things, I must draw a line in the sand. I must declare to myself what "development" is so incompatible with my values and interests that I must resist it outright and unconditionally. 

 

The answer I came up with was mandatory biometrics. 

 

What's your line? Or do you even have a line? 

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2 minutes ago, kking said:

I've been very disheartened with the trajectory of society in the west. Technology, cultural relativism, post-truth, and corporate nihilism have become braided into one nightmarish strain of public life. I've tried to resist the various aspects of these developments. A few years ago, it occurred to me that, in order to avoid falling victim to the slippery slope and being systematically conditioned to tolerate more and more reprehensible things, I must draw a line in the sand. I must declare to myself what "development" is so incompatible with my values and interests that I must resist it outright and unconditionally. 

 

The answer I came up with was mandatory biometrics. 

 

What's your line? Or do you even have a line? 

"Other"  Fuck the socialists!

 

 

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5 minutes ago, roadkill said:

"Other"  Fuck the socialists!

 

 

What does that look like? How will you know you're there?

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8 minutes ago, kking said:

The answer I came up with was mandatory biometrics. 

 

Solo...is that you in there ?

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2 minutes ago, kking said:

What does that look like? How will you know you're there?

I already know...I don't want socialism!

 

It sounds good on paper...but history says otherwise.

 

You didn't know that?

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3 minutes ago, roadkill said:

I already know...I don't want socialism!

 

It sounds good on paper...but history says otherwise.

 

You didn't know that?

No, I'm saying: "How will you know when socialism has arrived?"

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1 minute ago, kking said:

No, I'm saying: "How will you know when socialism has arrived?"

It's already here...but it hasn't succeeded yet.

 

What will you choose?

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All of the things on your list. The reason gun sales are and continue to be strong suggests a revolt of such things infringing on our liberty.

Punisher Skull Gadsden Flag "Don't Tread On Me" Decal Sticker ...

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20 minutes ago, kking said:

The answer I came up with was mandatory biometrics. 

 

Oh hell yes, absolutely.

 

However, I don't think that any of these are imminent or even inevitable.

 

I would go further to suggest that, right now, all of them would be so hotly resisted in America to not even be remotely possible within our lifetimes.

 

Of course I could be overly optimistic, but I know that everyone I've ever discussed this with would resist all of those to the death. At least in America, I think that sentiment will prevail for decades still.

 

Will one of them happen some day? Or all of them? I hope not, but who knows... certainly possible.

 

Interesting thread, hopefully will generate interesting "discussion" across the spectrum.

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Before 50 I had lines.  Now the world looks like this:

 

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Drink - yes. Little - no.

 

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24 minutes ago, kking said:

I've been very disheartened with the trajectory of society in the west. Technology, cultural relativism, post-truth, and corporate nihilism have become braided into one nightmarish strain of public life. I've tried to resist the various aspects of these developments. A few years ago, it occurred to me that, in order to avoid falling victim to the slippery slope and being systematically conditioned to tolerate more and more reprehensible things, I must draw a line in the sand. I must declare to myself what "development" is so incompatible with my values and interests that I must resist it outright and unconditionally. 

 

The answer I came up with was mandatory biometrics. 

 

What's your line? Or do you even have a line? 

Can I vote for all 3?

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6 minutes ago, Pastafarian said:

What does that mean?

You don't know?

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If I had to guess, number 3 is the most likely to happen in the next 50 years. I hope it does not but if I was betting money on one, that gets my money

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6 minutes ago, roadkill said:

It's already here...but it hasn't succeeded yet.

It's here, yet you're still a compliant, cooperative citizen?

 

6 minutes ago, SixShooter said:

Oh hell yes, absolutely.

 

However, I don't think that any of these are imminent or even inevitable.

The come in phases so that we don't realize what's happened until it's too late. First, it's the thumb-print on the cellphone. Then it's the face scan. Then it's those same things at the airport or the store or the gunshop. Then it's those things to use the internet or to vote. Then, before you know it, the hellscape is all around you and you never even uttered a word.

 

6 minutes ago, SixShooter said:

I would go further to suggest that, right now, all of them would be so hotly resisted in America to not even be remotely possible within our lifetimes.

I think you're flat-out wrong. They already exist in someone voluntary states and almost no one is resisting them. See my examples above. First they're a novelty, an extravagance. Then they're merely voluntary for extra things you could live without. Then they're mandatory for things you'd rather not live without. Then they're mandatory for things it's very difficult to live without. Then they're mandatory for basic services and business functions. Then they're just plain old mandatory.

 

6 minutes ago, SixShooter said:

Of course I could be overly optimistic, but I know that everyone I've ever discussed this with would resist all of those to the death. At least in America, I think that sentiment will prevail for decades still.

My contention is that they won't even recognize the problem until it's too late to stop it.

 

6 minutes ago, SixShooter said:

Will one of them happen some day? Or all of them? I hope not, but who knows... certainly possible.

 

Interesting thread, hopefully will generate interesting "discussion" across the spectrum.

The slippery slope, the turn of the screw, the steady conditioning, the fade to black...

 

1 minute ago, Pengwin said:

Before 50 I had lines.  Now world looks like this:

So they weren't really lines in the first place...they were "recommendations."

 

1 minute ago, CommieSlayinGirl said:

Can I vote for all 3?

Yes. Each of the three options I offered are across my own personal line. But biometrics is the oldest one I have.

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1 minute ago, impartialobserver said:

If I had to guess, number 3 is the most likely to happen in the next 50 years. I hope it does not but if I was betting money on one, that gets my money

They're all happening or going to happen in a pervasive sense. They're actually all rather intertwined. 

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3 minutes ago, kking said:

It's here, yet you're still a compliant, cooperative citizen?

 

The come in phases so that we don't realize what's happened until it's too late. First, it's the thumb-print on the cellphone. Then it's the face scan. Then it's those same things at the airport or the store or the gunshop. Then it's those things to use the internet or to vote. Then, before you know it, the hellscape is all around you and you never even uttered a word.

 

I think you're flat-out wrong. They already exist in someone voluntary states and almost no one is resisting them. See my examples above. First they're a novelty, an extravagance. Then they're merely voluntary for extra things you could live without. Then they're mandatory for things you'd rather not live without. Then they're mandatory for things it's very difficult to live without. Then they're mandatory for basic services and business functions. Then they're just plain old mandatory.

 

My contention is that they won't even recognize the problem until it's too late to stop it.

 

The slippery slope, the turn of the screw, the steady conditioning, the fade to black...

 

So they weren't really lines in the first place...they were "recommendations."

 

Yes. Each of the three options I offered are across my own personal line. But biometrics is the oldest one I have.

Not interested in yer multiple responses!

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2 minutes ago, kking said:

They're all happening or going to happen in a pervasive sense. They're actually all rather intertwined. 

Then the way to fight it would be to get off social media and the internet. Go off the grid. 
 

But you’d rather go to war?

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4 minutes ago, Pastafarian said:

Do you? Explain it?  It does say to elaborate. 

 

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Just now, Pastafarian said:

Yup. 
 

One at a time. 

Thank you.   

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1 minute ago, roadkill said:

Not interested in yer multiple responses!

Then just answer one question: how will you know when socialism, as defined by your understanding of it crossing the line, has arrived?

 

1 minute ago, Pastafarian said:

Then the way to fight it would be to get off social media and the internet. Go off the grid. 
 

But you’d rather go to war?

I've been off social media for 8 years. The internet has been a weening process which seems almost insurmountable within modern day existence. 

 

And the war is merely self-preservation, with dignity and values intact.

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1 minute ago, kking said:

It's here, yet you're still a compliant, cooperative citizen?

 

It's not HERE as in being forced on ME. Yet.

 

1 minute ago, kking said:

The come in phases so that we don't realize what's happened until it's too late. First, it's the thumb-print on the cellphone. Then it's the face scan. Then it's those same things at the airport or the store or the gunshop. Then it's those things to use the internet or to vote. Then, before you know it, the hellscape is all around you and you never even uttered a word.

 

I get that. I've had these conversations before, IRL. People had the same concern over being issued a telephone number. Probably a mailing address, at one time in the distant past. But those things ultimately are about making life more convenient and efficient. They do not rise to your three scenarios without a "missing link" because all the things you just mentioned are acceptable to the masses. The three scenarios on the OP are not.

 

1 minute ago, kking said:

I think you're flat-out wrong.

 

I expected that. 

 

1 minute ago, kking said:

They already exist in someone voluntary states and almost no one is resisting them. See my examples above. First they're a novelty, an extravagance. Then they're merely voluntary for extra things you could live without. Then they're mandatory for things you'd rather not live without. Then they're mandatory for things it's very difficult to live without. Then they're mandatory for basic services and business functions. Then they're just plain old mandatory.

 

No. The three scenarios in your OP do NOT exist as mandatory at this time. You're speculating and then claiming it as a sure thing. 

 

1 minute ago, kking said:

My contention is that they won't even recognize the problem until it's too late to stop it.

 

I get that. How to boil a frog.

 

1 minute ago, kking said:

The slippery slope, the turn of the screw, the steady conditioning, the fade to black...

 

Maybe. But I don't think so.

 

Be of good cheer, and optimistic, friend!

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