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Spycar likes to say Bernie "praised" Venezuela as some sort of socialist utopia.  He has been corrected on this point of fact many times, but he keeps saying it.  That's not an accident.  Everything he's said above has been addressed many times over, except for the one thing we cannot really address:  his assertion that despite anything Bernie might say, he secretly wants to end capitalism and turn America into a communist state.

 

And we all secretly believe and know this, too, and we're all secretly plotting to turn America into a communist state, too.

 

And we'll never admit it, because that's part of our conspiracy.

 

Sure.  Not a troll at all.

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46 minutes ago, bludog said:

 

 

OK impartialobserver.  You're on the moderator team.  We now have the required 4.   The team consists of Zkylonnen8, bludog, RollingRock and impartialobserver.

 

There will be a vote on our suitability, open to all Liberals on these boards.

Will further communications be done by PM or through the email given to start this? 

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1 minute ago, impartialobserver said:

Will further communications be done by PM or through the email given to start this? 

 

I think email should be OK.  Once a vote is taken, if we are approved, we will be able to communicate in the Mod's Only thread, invisible to us now.

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3 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Will further communications be done by PM or through the email given to start this? 

I'm waiting to find out myself.  :)  

 

 

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4 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

Ok, no rush. almost never use that email and so will designate this as "not spam"

 

Please strike that.  I should have said PM and not email.  I think it will be OK to communicate by PM until we gain access to the mod's only thread.

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1 hour ago, splunch said:

Spycar likes to say Bernie "praised" Venezuela as some sort of socialist utopia.  He has been corrected on this point of fact many times, but he keeps saying it.  That's not an accident.  Everything he's said above has been addressed many times over, except for the one thing we cannot really address:  his assertion that despite anything Bernie might say, he secretly wants to end capitalism and turn America into a communist state.

 

And we all secretly believe and know this, too, and we're all secretly plotting to turn America into a communist state, too.

 

And we'll never admit it, because that's part of our conspiracy.

 

Sure.  Not a troll at all.

 

LOL. I have not been "corrected on this point" of Bernie Sanders' support for the Venezuelan (or the Bolivian) democratic socialist dictatorships. In fact, I have posted the proof of the fact, which is still up on Bernie Sanders' Senate website within the past week or two.

 

Sanders has been involved with hard-left Marxist groups his whole life. From the Young Socialists League, to the Sha'aar Ha'makim kibbutz run by the pro-Soviet communist/Stalinist Hashomer Hatzair movement, to Liberty Union, to the communist (Trotskyite) Socialist Workers Party.

 

To this day he supports the recently ousted democratic socialist dictator Evo Morales (among a long list of dictatorships he's supported). Chaves, Castro, Ortega, et al.

 

Basta.

 

I'm not a dope and I'm not going to be gaslighted.

 

Sander has never claimed to be a "liberal" and--in fact--he's said "I am not now, nor have I ever been, a liberal Democrat."

 

Unlike Bernie Sanders I have never been part of a communist party not have I called for industries to be seized without compensation.

 

Nice try anyway.

 

Bill

 

 

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1 hour ago, RollingRock said:

Sorry, I'm an honest person.   I say what I mean and mean what I say.     

 

I very much DO believe in a "big tent."  You need to understand that 2016 was an anomaly for me, not typical.  I have no problem with the people you consider to be liberal Democrats.   I have many as my close friends, as I do progressives, greens, leftists, etc.  Regardless of their individual philosophies, we have more in common than not.       

 

Not true at all, Bill.  

 

I played no role in getting Trump elected.  None whatsoever.   HRC won my state, despite the fact that I didn't vote for either Trump or Clinton.   I'm as anti-Trump as anyone you will meet.  Being anti-Trump doesn't mean one is required to be pro-Hillary.  

 

 

I'm not the least bit "anti-liberal," Bill.  Not at all.  I'm not sure why you keep saying that.  Most of my friends are liberals, Democrats, leftists, progressives, Greens, social Democrats, etc.  I don't care about our few differences of opinion.  We agree on far more than we disagree on.   That's all that matters, at least to me.  :huh:  

 

You've repeatedly voted for Republican Senators in Maine. LOL. People who made Mitch McConnell the Senate majority leader. People who turned the Supreme Court and the entire Federal Courts rightwing.

 

From your arrival you have attacked the Democratic party in the grossest of terms. You have bragged that you left the party in 2000 and have considered it the enemy ever since. "Now" you are for a Big Tent? Sorry. but I'm laughing my ass off at this whopper. You may have some folks conned, not me.

 

For years, since you lied and help get me booted from the LO room, you have falsely accused accused me of  being a "stalker." But you are the guy who searched the web to find of info on me and who posted it on this forum.

 

I do not trust you as far as I can throw you. You are dishonest and lack integrity. Giving you mod tools is a huge mistake. Some people need to learn the hard way. I tried. What happens, happens.

 

Bill

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3 hours ago, SpyCar said:

You've repeatedly voted for Republican Senators in Maine. LOL.

Two moderate Republicans who (at the time) had done good work for my state.  So?  I'm now working to get Susan Collins voted out as she has changed (for the worse) - and her approval ratings reflect that.   

 

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From your arrival you have attacked the Democratic party in the grossest of terms. You have bragged that you left the party in 2000 and have considered it the enemy ever since.

Not at all.  The party left me in 2000.  I've been looking for a reason to come back for two decades.  However the party needs to represent me and the issues I care about.

 

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"Now" you are for a Big Tent? Sorry. but I'm laughing my ass off at this whopper. You may have some folks conned, not me.

I am sincere.  If you don't believe me, that's on you.  Whatever....

 

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For years, since you lied and help get me booted from the LO room, you have falsely accused accused me of  being a "stalker." But you are the guy who searched the web to find of info on me and who posted it on this forum.

I didn't "lie" and I certainly felt stalked.   Back then, it was impossible to have a conversation about anything but Hillary vs Bernie.  Every damn thread became another multi-post scolding for not voting for Hillary in 2016 and for not "voting blue no matter who" in my local elections.   I get that you disagreed with my voting.  But it's MY vote, not yours.  It went on and on.....day after day after day after day.   

 

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I do not trust you as far as I can throw you. You are dishonest and lack integrity.

That's not true at all, but I am genuinely sorry you feel that way.  You're off the mark.

 

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Giving you mod tools is a huge mistake. Some people need to learn the hard way. I tried. What happens, happens.

 

Bill

With this website, @kfools is able to see every single moderating move I make, anytime he chooses to look.  I'm not going to abuse any moderating privileges and I resent the suggestioni that I would.

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1 hour ago, RollingRock said:

Two moderate Republicans who (at the time) had done good work for my state.  So?  I'm now working to get Susan Collins voted out as she has changed (for the worse) - and her approval ratings reflect that.   

 

Not at all.  The party left me in 2000.  I've been looking for a reason to come back for two decades.  However the party needs to represent me and the issues I care about.

 

I am sincere.  If you don't believe me, that's on you.  Whatever....

 

I didn't "lie" and I certainly felt stalked.   Back then, it was impossible to have a conversation about anything but Hillary vs Bernie.  Every damn thread became another verbal scathing for not voting for Hillary in 2016 and for not "voting blue no matter who" in my local elections.   I get that you disagreed with my voting.  However it didn't stop.....day after day after day after day. 

 

That's not true at all, but I am genuinely sorry you feel that way.  You're off the mark.

 

With this website, @kfools is able to see every single moderating move I make, anytime he chooses to look.  I'm not going to abuse any moderating privileges and I resent the suggestioni that I would.

 

Excuses, excuses. 

 

No liberal votes in a Republican Senate majority. That's an insane response if one hope to further progressive agenda. Sorry.

 

It shows how much you despise the Democratic Party. A party that did not "leave you" (LOL) YOU left it. Then you start up with BS about a Big Tent after being a saboteur. Some people may fall for this. Not me. 

 

You can't support Our Revolution--the group that suppressed voter turnout in 2016, not vote yourself, and then play like an anti-Trumpist. You all are responsible for Trump being in the White House.

 

And you literally stalked *me* across the internet and posted about it here. Totally not cool.

 

Looks like you are going to have the "win" here. I dread what's coming.

 

Bill

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Here is the latest thread from the "nominated" Pastafarian:

 

 

So I might vote for Trump? 

 

Cuz Biden sucks ass. 
 

Cuz the Dems are totally corrupt. 
 

Cuz the Coronavirus stats are looking more and more fabricated. 
 

Trump has begun the tear down of America’s old ways and he will usher in a new America. 

 

And some wonder why this liberal Democrat will not play along.

 

Bill

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On 5/18/2020 at 3:28 PM, SpyCar said:

Here is the latest thread from the "nominated" Pastafarian:

 

 

So I might vote for Trump? 

 

Cuz Biden sucks ass. 
 

Cuz the Dems are totally corrupt. 
 

Cuz the Coronavirus stats are looking more and more fabricated. 
 

Trump has begun the tear down of America’s old ways and he will usher in a new America. 

 

And some wonder why this liberal Democrat will not play along.

 

Bill

Not the type of person that I want to see as a LO mod. Why would he be even considered?

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I see no problems with IO as a mod. He seems more like an independent then a liberal, and to myself, I view independents as fence sitters. Never really taking a stand on anything one way or the other, but I could very well be wrong about him. That may be exactly what you would want in a mod. I say go for it.

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On 5/15/2020 at 11:17 PM, bludog said:

Kfools has made his declaration for the site, going forward.

 

Site owner, Kfools has declared that Liberal mods, are to supplant Conservative mods for control of these boards, except for the oversight authority of Conservative, kking.  It is now time for us to respond, and pick our leaders.

 

All factions of the Democratic Party should be represented.  All input from Liberals is welcome. 


 

I see that you are a senior mod again. Congratulations. 

 

Do the new team members require owner approval or is it automatic?
 

When will the new team be activated? 
 

Will the conservative mods return to normal status? 
 

How long do you all need before we can resume armchair quarterbackIng - err, I mean offer helpful suggestions?

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57 minutes ago, Olivaw said:

I see that you are a senior mod again. Congratulations. 

 

Thanks Olivaw.  It's a mixed bag.  But I'm retired and this gives me something interesting to do.

 

57 minutes ago, Olivaw said:

Do the new team members require owner approval or is it automatic?

 

Auto !

 

57 minutes ago, Olivaw said:

When will the new team be activated? 

 

Not sure.  Kfools is working on it from the Admin Control Panel.

 

57 minutes ago, Olivaw said:

Will the conservative mods return to normal status?

 

No.  However lucifershammer, who doesn't identify with either party, will continue to mod the "Clean Debate Room".  RollingRock will be responsible for the LO Rm.  And impartialobserver will mod the "Member Debate Room".

 

57 minutes ago, Olivaw said:

How long do you all need before we can resume armchair quarterbackIng - err, I mean offer helpful suggestions?

 

let the games b e g i n ... - Queen Elizabeth I see what you did ...

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On 5/23/2020 at 3:25 PM, bludog said:

 

 

let the games b e g i n ... - Queen Elizabeth I see what you did ...


Splendid. Congratulations to the new team. Do us proud.
 

Here’s the two cents from my armchair.
 

I prefer “discussion room” to “debate room”. Discussion is a broader term that includes debate but is not limited to it. Personal attacks should be off limits. Attacks on adult public figures should be allowed, 
 

Invite @skews13 to moderate again, subject to an up/down vote. He’d be excellent fifth member of the team. 
 

Reinstate @leftwinger, Bensen,  @merrill and @WillFranklin. They posted liberal political commentary on a liberal political forum. 
 

Encourage people to base up/down votes on whether a post contributes to a discussion thread, not whether they agree with it. I saw this on the Politics subreddit that Skews invited us to check out. 
 

Minor one: Unless the target membership is 14 year old boys, I am unclear what purpose girlie pics serve in attracting new members to a political forum.
 

 

@bludog, @zkyllonen8, @RollingRock, @impartialobserver

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2 hours ago, Olivaw said:


Splendid. Congratulations to the new team. Do us proud.
 

Here’s the two cents from my armchair.
 

I prefer “discussion room” to “debate room”. Discussion is a broader term that includes debate but is not limited to it. Personal attacks should be off limits. Attacks on adult public figures should be allowed, 
 

Invite @skews13 to moderate again, subject to an up/down vote. He’d be excellent fifth member of the team. 
 

Reinstate @leftwinger, Bensen,  @merrill and @WillFranklin. They posted liberal political commentary on a liberal political forum. 
 

Encourage people to base up/down votes on whether a post contributes to a discussion thread, not whether they agree with it. I saw this on the Politics subreddit that Skews invited us to check out. 
 

Minor one: Unless the target membership is 14 year old boys, I am unclear what purpose girlie pics serve in attracting new members to a political forum.
 

 

@bludog, @zkyllonen8, @RollingRock, @impartialobserver


With the changes that have come to the site, and with no real assurances any of this matters, it is difficult to take seriously that any or our efforts are not a waste of time. I was a team member before all of this, and will continue to be, whether or not I am still a moderator. I support your decisions here. But I am ambivalent that any of this will come to fruition.

 

If it does, and I am still moderations, I damn sure am not going to honor rules in any of the rooms of which I had no input. A new team of moderators would have to be able to discuss each rooms rules, one by one, and agree unanimously what stays, what goes, and what would be added or deleted altogether.

 

And that would just be the beginning. We would then have to agree on actions that can be taken by all moderators, from minimum to maximum. There has been way to much ambiguity on both interpretation of, and actions taken concerning the rules as they now are with nothing approaching anything that resembles consistency, and in many cases with favor ability one way or the other. And in other cases wholesale changes altogether. 

 

That shit has to end, and a whole new system put in place written in stone. It doesn’t matter who is moderating if the rules are not law, but just a suggestion.

 

Consistency without change or I’m out of it altogether. Let me know when a concrete plan is in place and I’ve got your back.

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17 hours ago, Olivaw said:

I prefer “discussion room” to “debate room”. Discussion is a broader term that includes debate but is not limited to it. Personal attacks should be off limits. Attacks on adult public figures should be allowed, 

 

I agree that the "Clean Debate Room"  would be better described as the "Clean Discussion Room".   "Member Debates" however, are just that ...  debates !

 

I'm also an advocate of moving the "Clean Debate Room" to the flagship position at the top of the board.  And moving NHB down to a position just above the Hell room.  This way, prospective members will be greeted with a more civil introduction to the site.

 

17 hours ago, Olivaw said:

Reinstate @leftwinger, Bensen,  @merrill and @WillFranklin. They posted liberal political commentary on a liberal political forum. 

 

Yup.  And perhaps, a few more. 

 

17 hours ago, Olivaw said:

Encourage people to base up/down votes on whether a post contributes to a discussion thread, not whether they agree with it. I saw this on the Politics subreddit that Skews invited us to check out. 

 

IMO, up/down votes will always be a popularity contest, to some extent.  And righties tend to give out candy to their own people far more than the left.  Personally, I could do without the rating system.

 

17 hours ago, Olivaw said:

Minor one: Unless the target membership is 14 year old boys, I am unclear what purpose girlie pics serve in attracting new members to a political forum.

 

There is a fine line separating porn, or even gore, for that matter, from other graphics.  I feel moderating with a light hand is the best policy.  Moving NHB down near the bottom of the opening page would help to lower its profile.  But that can only be accomplished from the Admin Control Panel of which only the owner has control.

 

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5 hours ago, bludog said:

I agree that the "Clean Debate Room"  would be better described as the "Clean Discussion Room".   "Member Debates" however, are just that ...  debates !

 

Everything was thrown together to fast. Which led to the mass confusion at the start. It should have been scrapped, and redone from scratch. It is first, and foremost, a political discussion forum. But to much off topic BS is allowed, and by both sides, I have been guilty of it myself.

 

So, I suggest we start at the top of the page with the Political Discussion Forums:

 

Politics, Member Debates, Liberals Only, Conservatives Only

 

Politics: Only serious discussion on current political topics allowed here. No off topic posts, or comments, no flaming, or trolling. Post links to interesting articles involving current events, with a paragraph or to, followed by your opinion.

 

This takes the place of the clean debate room.

 

Member Debates: Same rules, with the itenerary of the debate format as laid out now

 

Liberals Only Room: Speaks for itself

 

Conservatives Only Room: Speaks for itself

 

NHB: As is

 

Hell: As is

 

Water Cooler Room. No politics allowed

 

Clubs of the flavor of your choice.

 

One moderator for each room. Club owners are their own moderators

 

Kking chief, cook, and bottle washer

 

Kfools admin

 

There has to be some conservative involvement, or the cons that do participate will constantly whine

 

It puts the cons in the position of not being able to weaponize rules, which equally puts libs in the position of not being able to weaponize rules

 

It puts Kking in a neutral position

 

It leaves kfools out of it

 

No banning of members is allowed with out a courtroom setting, in which all mods are jurors, and have an equal vote

 

Admin makes the final decision

 

And while I'm here, I want teacher back as a mod in one of the rooms.

 

End of rant

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