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3 minutes ago, splunch said:

We can't do it.  We're just the United States of America.  Not really known much for rallying and just kicking ass and getting things done under pressure.  We're more of a flaccid sort of mamby-pamby sort, prone to just laying down and crying about things, evidently.

Irony much?

 

The USA is the PEOPLE, NOT the federal government.

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9 minutes ago, superds77 said:

Irony much?

 

The USA is the PEOPLE, NOT the federal government.

And the people are dithering, and our leadership is a pathetic joke, and everyone knows it.  They're professional poser politicians who spend all day every day practicing CYA and getting their stories straight so they can cover each other.  If we Eisenhower in the White House right now you think we'd still be dithering, floundering, basically doing nothing?  

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9 hours ago, fishhead said:

Ain't none , asswipe! Kushner's not selling.

 

 

I'll go get my neighbors supply. Are you my neighbor? 

 

Need me to drive you to the store?

 

 

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22 minutes ago, splunch said:
33 minutes ago, superds77 said:

Irony much?

 

The USA is the PEOPLE, NOT the federal government.

And the people are dithering, and our leadership is a pathetic joke, and everyone knows it.  They're professional poser politicians who spend all day every day practicing CYA and getting their stories straight so they can cover each other.  If we Eisenhower in the White House right now you think we'd still be dithering, floundering, basically doing nothing?  

"BAsically doing nothing"?

 

Really? Do you TRULY believe that? If so, there is not much to discuss.

 

Regarding masks, they are being sold/made in myriad ways.

 

Not claiming they are N95 level, but the vital workers apparently have priority on those.

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9 hours ago, Chuck! said:

Go to the store and buy some, dumbass!
I bet you haven't even tried

 

Gawd yer stupid.

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29 minutes ago, Chuck! said:

 

Need me to drive you to the store?

 

 

Not a store in the state with n-95's, not in your state either. Pull trumps dick outta yer ass. wash yer hands and wake up.  

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46 minutes ago, splunch said:

And the people are dithering, and our leadership is a pathetic joke, and everyone knows it.  They're professional poser politicians who spend all day every day practicing CYA and getting their stories straight so they can cover each other.  If we Eisenhower in the White House right now you think we'd still be dithering, floundering, basically doing nothing?  

REthuglirats lost their ability to govern after Nixon! They much prefer to skim bribes and get rich working for the Corporate Elite and Wall Street!

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9 hours ago, Str8tEdge said:

He wanted Trump to hand deliver it to his section 8 public housing. 

I don't want trumps covid infected ass near me, and I don't

care where you get yer welfare check. I want n-95's to protect my family from you retarded hillbillies.

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3 minutes ago, fishhead said:

I don't want trumps covid infected ass near me, and I don't

care where you get yer welfare check. I want n-95's to protect my family from you retarded hillbillies.

What the heck do you want the federal government to do? They are not in the mask business.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/n95-mask-shortage-melt-blown-filters/

 

"

 

N95 mask shortage comes down to this key material: "The supply chain has gotten nuts"

By Graham Kates

Updated on: April 9, 2020 / 10:25 PM / CBS News

 
 

N95 masks look simple enough: two outer layers of fabric that form the shape of the mask, with a thin filter between. 

It's that sandwiched inner layer that complicates the mask's construction and differentiates medical-grade protection from a homemade mask.

A surge in demand for material for that layer is a key reason for the global shortage of N95s.

The filter is made of thousands of nonwoven fibers, each thinner than a strand of hair and fused together through a process known as melt blown extrusion. 

Manufacturers of the material have been pushed to produce at unprecedented levels, straining an industry that relies on complex machinery and specialized training that's part technical and part "art form," according to some in the industry.

"The supply chain has gotten nuts for this particular material," said Nozi Hamidi, vice president of marketing and business development for SWM International, one of roughly two dozen domestic manufacturers of melt blown material. "We experienced this when SARS happened 17 or so years ago, but not to this extent. This is just absolutely insane."

 

When the coronavirus began spreading rapidly in January in China and Taiwan, Chinese manufacturers of melt blown material started getting backlogged with their own domestic orders.

Taiwan, which is capable of producing 91 million masks per week, instituted a ban on exports of the material. To put Taiwan's output into perspective, the United States' largest mask producer, 3M, can supply 55 million masks per month.

The changes to the Chinese and Taiwanese markets "sent ripples through the supply chain," Hamidi said.

Around that time, SWM and other American manufacturers began taking steps to increase production capacity. SWM boosted capacity by 250%, by hiring and training new workers and converting its Middletown, Delaware plant so it could run 24 hours a day. 

Even with that increase, Hamidi said the company has had to warn new customers about long waits, and referred some to competitors.

"We're trying to not turn away people, but the reality of the situation at least for us is we're sold out well into 2020, so if we take on a new customer right now, they basically have to wait," Hamidi said. "We have to say to them that it might be until the end of 2020 or into 2021 before we can actually get you going as a new customer."

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2 minutes ago, superds77 said:

55 million masks per month

So where are they? Kushner has them.

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6 minutes ago, fishhead said:

So where are they? Kushner has them.

Wait a minute! Didn't Trumpies say they don't need any masks? They sure did!

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Not enough tests even for people who are symptomatic.  

 

Winning.

 

Evidently, Trump thinks "winning" and "dithering" mean the same thing.

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1 hour ago, fishhead said:
1 hour ago, superds77 said:

55 million masks per month

So where are they? Kushner has them.

Yeah, sure. 

Some math...

 

https://www.wired.com/story/defense-production-act-n95-masks-shortage-covid-19/

 

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3M CEO Mike Roman went on CNBC to defend his company, warning that restricting exports from 3M’s US factories to Canada and Latin America could precipitate a public health emergency. In many countries, 3M is the only supplier of respirators, said Roman. By banning exports of medical gear, the US may incite other countries to do the same, which would further exacerbate supply shortages.

 

“The narrative that we aren’t doing everything we can as a company is just not true,” Roman said, adding that his company is rapidly increasing supply of N95 masks in the US, to around 35 million a month, and is on track to double that by year’s end.

 

But that figure represents a small percentage of what’s needed. Ordinary N95 production in the US is estimated at 1.5 billion annually. A 2015 study by government public health researchers estimated that a flu pandemic similar to what is currently playing out would require 1.7 to 3.5 billion respirators, a figure that would increase to between 2.6 to 4.3 billion as more Americans become sick. Under a “maximum demand scenario” during which “all eligible health care and emergency response workers would use respirators from the beginning of the pandemic until its end,” 7.3 billion would be required.

 

With the Centers for Disease Control recommending that all Americans start wearing masks—though not ones as sophisticated as N95s—demand for protective gear will only increase.

N95 masks, called that because they filter out 95 percent of particles smaller than .3 microns, represent a tricky production problem. They must sit snug enough to create a seal and fit to the individual’s face. The masks consist of two layers of cloth with a piece of melt-blown polypropylene in between. The polypropylene is extruded at extremely small diameters, then settles and cools in a random pattern. The fibers are electrically charged, attracting particles while allowing air to pass through.

“That’s an extremely specialized manufacturing process,” says Doug Shultz, CEO of the manufacturing company Factor, who is working to source manufacturing facilities in the US for medical PPE production. Shultz says he had reviewed an estimate from a manufacturer of the machines that make melt-blown polypropylene that said the company expected a manufacturing facility begun in November to be online in July.

This complex, sluggish supply chain raises questions about whether the US government can effectively intervene in the market. “It’s a production capacity problem,” says Kaufman, the former FEMA official who is now the vice president and director for safety and security at the think tank CNA. “The DPA is designed to stimulate that, but it’s not an overnight solution.”

 

The DPA grants the federal government the authority to force companies to put orders from the US government ahead of others. It also grants the government the power to provide financial guarantees and support for certain types of production. While the DPA’s powers are expansive, they are far less so than the WWII-era production acts that it grew out of.

The Trump administration has already invoked the DPA to force General Motors to manufacture ventilators, but public health experts point out that protective gear may be a far more immediate problem. Without proper protective gear, doctors, nurses, and hospital staff are far more likely to fall sick. The availability of ventilators won’t matter much without staff available to operate them.

Under the DPA, the federal government could allocate protective gear to the hardest hit areas of the country, but so far the Trump administration has declined to do so—perhaps because the federal stockpile is nearly depleted and the government lacks gear to allocate.

In the absence of a coordinated approach, US officials appear to be seizing 3M supplies wherever they can find them, though whether the DPA actually grants them that power is far from clear. On Friday, a shipment of 200,000 N95 masks bound for Germany were reportedly seized and diverted to the US, leading one German official to describe the incident as an act of “modern piracy.”

After directing most production of medical gear to the Chinese medical system during that country’s outbreak, factories in China and other Asian manufacturing hubs are beginning to shift supply toward beleaguered medical systems in the US and Europe, according to supply chain experts.

Chinese manufacturers have in several cases rapidly retooled factories to abandon old product lines and shift to medical protective gear. BYD Precision Manufacture, which makes electric cars and lithium batteries, is now churning out a Chinese equivalent of an N95 mask, which the US Food and Drug Administration finally approved on Friday for emergency use by American doctors.

Around the world, a small army of consultants and supply chain specialists have mobilized to locate suppliers and vet new manufacturers coming online. Andre Thuvesson, a managing director at the supply chain consultancy Inverto, has teams scouring the Chinese market for producers and matching them with European demand. “We do the best we can to consolidate demand within one country and match it with supply on the market.”

 
 
 

But to get access to N95 masks, countries are paying a premium. N95 masks that could be bought for 30 cents before the coronavirus outbreak are now selling for a dollar a piece in bulk orders. And demand remains massive. European hospitals and health care authorities are purchasing three to six months’ production from Chinese factories that are churning out about 1 million masks per month, Thuvesson says.

 

In the US, health authorities are making similarly large purchases. On March 21, the Department of Health and Human Services placed an order for 600 million N95 masks. With a lack of domestic manufacturing capacity, the federal government is instead expediting the delivery of supplies from Asian manufacturing centers, with a FEMA-organized air bridge delivering 80 tons of medical supplies to New York on Sunday, with additional flights expected to be carried out. A report Monday from the Office of the Inspector General at the Department of Health and Human Services found that some hospital systems are still experiencing three- to six-month delays in replenishing PPE supplies.

Read all of our coronavirus coverage here.

State medical authorities are continuing to make purchases of medical gear, and they report that competition among them is helping to drive up prices. Ed Raeke, who oversees the purchasing of supplies for Massachusetts General Hospital, says he is seeing 10-fold price increases. Preexisting orders for supplies are sometimes falling through, and his days are spent going through spreadsheet after spreadsheet comparing his hospitals’ quickly rising burn-rate with the supplies he has on hand. “It’s been a mad scramble,” Raeke says. (The situation is so bad that Patriots owner Robert Kraft is using the team plane to ferry supplies to Boston hospitals.)

And for every new supplier comes fear of fraud. “It’s become the Nigerian prince of the internet. Everyone knows someone in China right now who can obtain hundreds of thousands of masks,” says Megan Ranney, an emergency physician at Brown University. “Some of those are legitimate, but it is difficult to sort the wheat from the chaff.”

Ranney is one of the organizers of Getusppe.org, one of several clearinghouses that have popped up in the US to match demand for protective gear with supply. As states and hospitals say they lack the gear they need, these grassroots efforts have recruited tinkerers and small manufacturers to the cause. 3D printing enthusiasts are making face shields, and Brooks Brothers has given up making shirts and is instead producing face masks. But it likely won’t be enough to meet demand in a country where, as of today, more than 350,000 people are infected with the virus, a number that grows dramatically by the day.

Meanwhile, doctors on the front line have no choice but to show up for work treating Covid-19 patients, with or without gear. “Most ER docs have resigned themselves to saying they’re getting it,” says one emergency room doctor in Washington, DC, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media. Supplies at his hospital are being rationed; they ran out of shoe covers this week."

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2 hours ago, nuckin futz said:

My Mom let me play in the dirt when I was little. That's why I grew up into a Dirty Old Man today! LMFAO!

I know your a dirty ol man, but your my favorite dirt bag:)

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2 hours ago, splunch said:

And the people are dithering, and our leadership is a pathetic joke, and everyone knows it.  They're professional poser politicians who spend all day every day practicing CYA and getting their stories straight so they can cover each other.  If we Eisenhower in the White House right now you think we'd still be dithering, floundering, basically doing nothing?  

It is possible that Ike might not have as sharp a mind at age 130, just sayin'.

There was plenty of  floundering and doing nothing between 1952 and 1960, as I recall.

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One way to make a much more efficient masc is to include a HEP filter . You can fin HEP filters in vacuum cleaner bags. HEP filters stop much smaller particles than cloth or paper. Google HEP filter masks and you will see how to do this.

I have decided that those too dumb to google this would be too dumb to make a mask as well.

This is a test.

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26 minutes ago, SootedUpCyndi said:

I know your a dirty ol man, but your my favorite dirt bag:)

100% Russian troll sentence structure.  dirtyCyndi = z09.

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Kushner will soon be unloading the 50 million  masks that he stole from taxpayers on ebay for $5 each..

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19 hours ago, fishhead said:

Trumpinstein promised?

It is in their stockpiles, remember Kushner said so?

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38 minutes ago, SootedUpCyndi said:

I know your a dirty ol man, but your my favorite dirt bag:)

I feel honored! I'll let you get on top this time! LOL!

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9 minutes ago, SootedUpCyndi said:

Went right over my head Fish head. sailed right over like a drone.

 

6 minutes ago, SootedUpCyndi said:

Its hard to soar with the eagles fishhead when your grounded with the turkeys.

It's difficult for me to dummy-down to your level.

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4 minutes ago, nuckin futz said:

I feel honored! I'll let you get on top this time! LOL!

 

4 minutes ago, nuckin futz said:

I feel honored! I'll let you get on top this time! LOL!

next time you Ol geezer

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Just now, fishhead said:

 

It's difficult for me to dummy-down to your level.

I doubt it. I just play dumb. That's my  MO.

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