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Climate Change is the problem... not Temperature

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I saw this subject pop up in the "Member Debate" room.   But it looks like this came up before I joined, and the topic was closed while I was still trying to find my way around, and it was closed before I could respond.  So I hope I'm not infringing any forum rules.

 

It's not my intention to debate here whether man-made climate change (AGW) is real.   That would be a different topic.   But I thought it would be important to explain what the main problem that Climate Change addresses is.... And, not surprisingly, that's changes to the  Earth's climate.   "Change" being the operative word.

 

The topic I am referring to asked people to state some "ideal" surface temperature.   But that's misses the issue.  Human civilization, as a whole, can adapt to just about any temperature.  Or, better said, "temperature range".  But the process of adapting is painful.   People those who cannot adapt quickly enough, die.    Some because of the shifts in temperature between summer and winter.   Others because of disease caused by species (usually insects) that thrive in warmer environments and carry diseases.    Other just get caught up in the additional atmospheric disasters: hurricanes, tornadoes, longer drought periods, forest fires, rising tides, ... and so on.

 

There have been many periods in the past in which human beings have had to adapt to changes in climate.  Most of them before the industrial era (it's even more difficult for industries to adapt to changes than it is for people).  If we are hit by an asteroid, climate could change abruptly, and there would be little we could do about it.  But, in this case, we can do something about it.  So the slower the environment changes, the less "painful" (the less death) adapting to those changes becomes.  Change is happening today at an extremely rapid pace.   It's not reversible anymore (not in any of our lifetimes, anyway), but if we can slow it down, that will give more people time to adapt.    And this is what green initiative seek: to slow it down without causing other problems like famine, or any type of heavy economic impact.

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I guess it's always been a problem; since it's always changing. What cause those 3 K high ice sheets to form during the last Ice Age; and what caused them to melt?

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Greece in 1987 had around 1500 people die from 104 degree temperatures 

 40 degrees higher then normal I think

 

104 is common here in the summers 

 

 

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Well, the temperature is also the problem because the planet's average temperature is growing warmer, which is why they call it global warming.

Climate change refers to how this planetary warming trend is changing recurring weather patterns.

 

And humans can't necessarily adapt to what these changes will do to our ecosystems... at least, not all of the humans.

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15 hours ago, Toldya said:

Well, the temperature is also the problem because the planet's average temperature is growing warmer, which is why they call it global warming.

Climate change refers to how this planetary warming trend is changing recurring weather patterns.

 

And humans can't necessarily adapt to what these changes will do to our ecosystems... at least, not all of the humans.

Our ancestors survived the past ice ages. As far as warming; "not likely" the temperature will hit a point where human life can no longer tolerate it. People would migrate to areas where they can survive. 

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If all ice melted, the sea level would rise about 200 feet. Mainly costal areas that would be impacted. The old man always told me, son, remember: High ground & a Southern exposure. And keep your firearms clean.

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On 5/8/2020 at 8:53 PM, AnotherJim said:

Our ancestors survived the past ice ages. As far as warming; "not likely" the temperature will hit a point where human life can no longer tolerate it. People would migrate to areas where they can survive. 

 

That's why I said 'not all of the humans'.

 

It's not just about the effect warmer temperatures have on the human body, it's the disruptions to the ecosystem. If one of the links in the food chain goes missing, the entire thing is affected. A massive drought in one area could create enough refugees to totally overwhelm another country's infrastructure. This would give rise to political instability and fascism, which is what you're already seeing to some extent in Europe with the Syrian refugees. If the countries simply shut themselves off, you would be setting the stage for large wars over resources... waged with weapons even deadlier than the ones we have now.

 

Animals driven from their natural habitats by various ecological breakdowns will carry with them diseases that will spread into their new habitats, mingle with other diseases, and eventually spread to humans. In the past 50 years there have been more and more deadly diseases jumping from humans to animals and turning into pandemics... AIDS, Ebola, SARS, Avian influenza... it's not unreasonable to suggest that habitat destruction plays a major role in putting animals into closer contact with people, giving their viruses more and more chances to make the jump to humans... or what humans eat. A virus that spreads through the cattle population would be disruptive to our food supply, which would in turn affect us all... especially if cooperation between nations has broken down, in which case such events could also lead to wars. 

 

The CO2 isn't coming out of the atmosphere naturally, so unless there's a solution of some kind (a new technology or possibly even a planned holocaust as a form of population control), there's a very high probability that civilization will break down completely either by the end of this or the beginning of the next century.

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I guess we best get ready for some serious evolving. The strong survive; and the weak buy it, and make for a tougher genetic pool. It all works out when the smoke clears. Here ya go: The rich have ice in the Summer; and the poor have ice in the Winter. See, works out.

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1 hour ago, AnotherJim said:

I guess we best get ready for some serious evolving. The strong survive; and the weak buy it, and make for a tougher genetic pool. It all works out when the smoke clears. Here ya go: The rich have ice in the Summer; and the poor have ice in the Winter. See, works out.

 

But would you even want to survive if it goes all the way to nuclear war?

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22 minutes ago, Toldya said:

 

But would you even want to survive if it goes all the way to nuclear war?

Ehhhhhhhhhh; maybe we have reached the point where mankind has run it's course. Everything is temporary.

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1 hour ago, Toldya said:

 

But would you even want to survive if it goes all the way to nuclear war?

I'd say crack a beer,  face the mushroom cloud and give it the finger. 

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