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Here is the current model which I have seen the board tout as a death model for Covid 19

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/5122467002

 

 Right now can anybody show the math in a way that is easily understood for how we can stay under the 60,000 death marker  when we are over 40,000 now and we average 4,000 to 5,000 daily?

 

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/a-record-4591-people-in-us-die-from-covid-19-within-24-hours

 

From 4 days ago. 

 

It's seems worse every day. If we keep up on this trajectory just as is we will break the 60,000 mark by the end of the month.

 

 

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On 4/21/2020 at 1:59 PM, kfools said:

Here is the current model which I have seen the board tout as a death model for Covid 19

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/5122467002

 

 Right now can anybody show the math in a way that is easily understood for how we can stay under the 60,000 death marker  when we are over 40,000 now and we average 4,000 to 5,000 daily?

 

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/a-record-4591-people-in-us-die-from-covid-19-within-24-hours

 

From 4 days ago. 

 

It's seems worse every day. If we keep up on this trajectory just as is we will break the 60,000 mark by the end of the month.

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Your link relies on the Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University. The CSSE claims that the U.S. has ten times the number of covid cases as china. It puts us at number one and china at number nine.

 

At some point, one must simply call nonsense by its name - mustn't one?

 

I question the very foundation of your question - you are being bullshitted, largely. How can we trust any of the numbers we are being given, when the source of those numbers makes claims that are so incredible?

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On 4/23/2020 at 5:36 PM, Cannonpointer said:

Your link relies on the Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University. The CSSE claims that the U.S. has ten times the number of covid cases as china. It puts us at number one and china at number nine.

 

At some point, one must simply call nonsense by its name - mustn't one?

 

I question the very foundation of your question - you are being bullshitted, largely. How can we trust any of the numbers we are being given, when the source of those numbers makes claims that are so incredible?

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As you offered no evidence of any kind to back up anything you just said and it will be dismissed. Perhaps you should try again. If the CSSE says what you claim then you should put a link there proving that. Otherwise there is absolutely no reason at all to believe what you are saying is true. 

 

Next you posed a question but didn't actually address the OP. 

 

Last you pose a question "What makes the claims credible" What makes them credible is the source which is largely touted by experts as credible. There is no other standard for which we can go by. USA Today is ranked high as reputable news. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/usa-today-2/ They are sourcing the governments own models which have been touted on this board. So, there is my evidence. 

 

I see you still have posted none. Just your opinions. Read the rules for the room. This is for people who want to have actual debates. 

 

"OPINIONS WILL CARRY NO WEIGHT WHATSOEVER UNLESS SUPPORTED BY FACTS"

 

Now you can continue with the debate and not source anything you claim at all but I can assure you that will mean a loss when the mods tally the results. That is done without bias by the way...i'm not involved in the process at all. 

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On 4/23/2020 at 5:46 PM, kfools said:

As you offered no evidence of any kind to back up anything you just said and it will be dismissed.

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Peruse your own link. That's where I got my information.

 

Your TPM link relies for its conclusions on this link, which is embedded. The top left corner has the chart which holds the information I referenced from your link:

 

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

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On 4/23/2020 at 6:42 PM, Cannonpointer said:

Peruse your own link. That's where I got my information.

 

Your TPM link relies for its conclusions on this link, which is embedded. The top left corner has the chart which holds the information I referenced from your link:

 

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

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Ok, fair enough. 

 

Do you have any supporting evidence of any kind that the CSSE is wrong?

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On 4/23/2020 at 6:51 PM, kfools said:

Ok, fair enough. 

 

Do you have any supporting evidence of any kind that the CSSE is wrong?

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I have logic. It is simply beyond the pale that an over crowded, badly fed cess pool can launch a pandemic and be the least affected, whereas the most hygenic and best fed nations on earth are the most affected. On its face, it throws into doubt any claim the source makes.

 

I'm not trusting johns hopkins on this one - I'm a doubter.

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