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If we run Joe Biden, we will end up with four more years of Trump.

 

"After going silent for nearly a week, Biden emerged in video clips and interviews from the basement of his Delaware home, where he is quarantining himself.  Looking isolated and lapsing into occasional gibberish, he seemed ­every bit the mentally challenged 77-year-old he was on the worst days of the campaign."

 

“He’s making himself irrelevant,” Saikat Chakrabarti, a former chief of staff to Queens Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, told The Post, saying the virtual broadcasts were not helping.

 

After Trump's incompetent stalling in the face of the COVID19 pandemic, he should have yielded polling points to Biden.  Trump is taking a hands-on approach to the crisis, with deceptive coronavirus briefings each day which have nevertheless, been a ratings smash. 

 

And despite the administration's stimulus package being a bonanza for financial elites and handing crumbs to the many, it has come under relatively little criticism. 

 

Biden is doing nothing to expose Trump's deceptions.  We must draft a better candidate.

 

The logical person to get Biden to retire is Barack Obama.  It would be a final public service to country and party.  For all we know, members of Biden’s family share the idea and would welcome Obama’s intervention.

 

https://nypost.com/2020/03/28/democrats-fret-as-joe-biden-becomes-irrelevant-in-coronavirus-crisis/

https://nypost.com/2020/03/28/democrats-need-to-recruit-obama-to-bench-biden-find-another-candidate-goodwin/

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Seems premature and an overreaction to a bad webcam video.  
 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html#!

RCP Average 3/11 - 3/25 -- -- 50.2 44.4 Biden +5.8
ABC/WP 3/22 - 3/25 845 RV 3.5 49 47 Biden +2
FOX News 3/21 - 3/24 1011 RV 3.0 49 40 Biden +9
Monmouth 3/18 - 2/22 754 RV 3.6 48 45 Biden +3
Emerson 3/18 - 3/19 1100 RV 2.9 53 47 Biden +6
NBC/WSJ 3/11 - 3/13 900 RV 3.3 52 43 Biden +9

All General Election: Trump vs. Biden Polling Data

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12 minutes ago, Olivaw said:

Seems premature and an overreaction to a bad webcam video.  
 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html#!

RCP Average 3/11 - 3/25 -- -- 50.2 44.4 Biden +5.8
ABC/WP 3/22 - 3/25 845 RV 3.5 49 47 Biden +2
FOX News 3/21 - 3/24 1011 RV 3.0 49 40 Biden +9
Monmouth 3/18 - 2/22 754 RV 3.6 48 45 Biden +3
Emerson 3/18 - 3/19 1100 RV 2.9 53 47 Biden +6
NBC/WSJ 3/11 - 3/13 900 RV 3.3 52 43 Biden +9

All General Election: Trump vs. Biden Polling Data

 

At this stage of the game, the polls mean little.  Especially now that they coincide with a crisis, the full impact of which has not been felt yet. 

 

Look at the man himself.  Look closely and you will see someone who lacks the tools for extended political combat.

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2 hours ago, Olivaw said:

Seems premature

 

The more obvious Biden's condition becomes;  And the longer we wait to replace him,  the chances of defeating Trump diminish.

 

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and an overreaction to a bad webcam video

 

A bad webcam video of our presumptive candidate is a sign that something is amiss within the campaign.  It should be a professional effort by now.  Or, at least, incompetent communications should not reach the public.

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4 hours ago, bludog said:

 

At this stage of the game, the polls mean little.  Especially now that they coincide with a crisis, the full impact of which has not been felt yet. 

 

Look at the man himself.  Look closely and you will see someone who lacks the tools for extended political combat.

 

Polls may be imperfect but they are more informative than feelings.

 

The polls that matter are, of course,  primary votes. Voters chose Joe Biden. What is being proposed is a brokered convention that ignores votes.  Saikat Chakrabarti, an ex Bernie staffer, is cited to justify it and Bernie’s name has been noted as a possible brokered nominee. That would be malodorous, to say the least,

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14 minutes ago, Olivaw said:

Polls may be imperfect but they are more informative than feelings

 

Biden's frequent lapses into gibberish are more than "feelings" in the eyes of  beholders. 

 

15 minutes ago, Olivaw said:

The polls that matter are, of course,  primary votes. Voters chose Joe Biden. What is being proposed is a brokered convention that ignores votes.  Saikat Chakrabarti, an ex Bernie staffer, is cited to justify it and Bernie’s name has been noted as a possible brokered nominee. That would be malodorous, to say the least,

 

The main impetus for any patriot should be to wrest the top spot away from Trump.  Most Democrats would have a better chance than Biden.  We've got to get a VIABLE candidate and not a sure loser.

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So far, no Democrat has been impolite enough to challenge Biden on his disability.  Not in the debates or anywhere else.  The Trump campaign will not be held back by any such compunction.  They will have a field day with Biden's weakness. 

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Yeah the Democrats need to seriously think about who they are going to nominate for November. 

 

I agree with you bludog, once the Republicans have the chance they will not back down on this issue they will hammer and make it a focal point of the campaign. 

 

Biden gives Trump the white house for 4 more years.

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Not to be rude, but Spycar Bill predicted that Bernie and his supporters would try to undermine Biden from the left. I told him he was full of sh-t. Now he’ll tell me I told you so

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11 minutes ago, Olivaw said:

Not to be rude, but Spycar Bill predicted that Bernie and his supporters would try to undermine Biden from the left. I told him he was full of sh-t. Now he’ll tell me I told you so

 

I for one, have no interest in replacing Biden with Sanders, specifically. In fact, I think Sanders is also too old.   For that reason, I was a Warren #1, Sanders #2, supporter, but that's immaterial to me now.  More than any other factor by far, I want a Democrat. any Democrat, who has a fighting chance to defeat Trump.  Biden is not that Democrat.

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Should Biden Freak Out About the Trump Bump?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/27/opinion/sunday/coronavirus-trump-polls-approval.html

By Frank Bruni

Opinion Columnist
 

 

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Every day, at the White House briefing about the coronavirus, Donald Trump gets the undivided attention of the media, a national television audience bloated by crisis and as many minutes as he wants to play a “wartime president,” as he grandiosely calls himself. Never mind that he flubs his lines and turns tragedy into farce. He’s the star. His billing communicates that he’s in command.

 

And every day, Joe Biden watches from the far reaches of the upper balcony as he waits and waits to be declared the de facto Democratic presidential nominee and assume leadership of his party. The coronavirus has postponed state primaries, prolonged the contest, yanked him out of the news and left him in political limbo, where he wonders if Bernie Sanders will ever acknowledge defeat and shivers in the shadow of another Democrat, Andrew Cuomo, who didn’t even run for president.

 

There was never any doubt that this pandemic would scramble November 2020, but how much — and how? At first, all the great oracles augured Trump’s long-delayed reckoning and his certain demise, given his hemming, his hawing, his lying and his economy, which was suddenly in tatters. This was it. He’d finally met his undoing. It couldn’t have happened to a more cavalier guy.

 

But over the past two weeks, that prophecy has changed — or at least turned cloudier. In recent polls, his approval rating ticked upward. His disapproval rating inched downward. There’s talk of a “Trump bump,” an appallingly cute phrase for an unthinkably dire development. Now more than ever, it’s hard to fathom four more years of this president.
 

Do we need nonetheless to fathom it? As usual, some pundits are getting ahead of themselves. November remains far away, and all of Trump’s happy talk won’t matter if the virus rages on and the dying doesn’t stop. There are reasons — ephemeral ones — that a slight warming of some voters toward Trump right now was inevitable.
 

<snip>

 

Instead, Sanders is sending the signal that his battle presses on by calling for another debate. Sanders holdouts and Biden-skeptical progressives are undercutting Biden by circulating videos of his most awkward recent interview moments, a pattern of behavior vividly documented by The Washington Post’s David Weigel. In his terrific newsletter “The Trailer” he noted that an MSNBC clip of Biden “was featured on ‘Rising,’ The Hill’s populism-branded morning show, in a segment titled ‘Biden CRASHES AND BURNS in multiple TV appearances.’” One of the show’s hosts, Krystal Ball, said to viewers, “Just ask yourself, is that the man that you want leading this response and this crisis right now?”

 

<snip>

 

But in polls released over recent days, Trump’s approval ratings ranged from 45 percent to 50 percent. Yes, those were high for him, but in a period when the country has a motive for giving him the benefit of the doubt, shouldn’t those highs be even higher? In the Real Clear Politics average of recent polls late Friday morning, Trump’s disapproval rating, 49.3 percent, still eclipsed his approval rating, 47.3 percent.

 

That’s why Biden shouldn’t freak out too much. Trump may have a captive audience, but he’s still a captive of his own profound limitations.

 

 

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The worse this pandemic gets, the more Trump, backed by his army of ditto-heads in the radio, Right Wing Media Machine and Fox,  will proclaim himself the savior.  We need a candidate capable of getting attention and contradicting the lie.

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2 hours ago, Olivaw said:

Not to be rude, but Spycar Bill predicted that Bernie and his supporters would try to undermine Biden from the left. I told him he was full of sh-t. Now he’ll tell me I told you so

 

Yes but he also loves his establishment Democrats and still to this day blames the lost of Hillary to Trump on Bernie Supporters. 

 

I think that its funny how people don't like to point out that 2x more Bernie Voters voted for Hillary compared to that of the 2008 Hillary supporters for Obama. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, bludog said:

 

I for one, have no interest in replacing Biden with Sanders, specifically. In fact, I think Sanders is also too old.   For that reason, I was a Warren #1, Sanders #2, supporter, but that's immaterial to me now.  More than any other factor by far, I want a Democrat. any Democrat, who has a fighting chance to defeat Trump.  Biden is not that Democrat.

 

I agree Biden is not the Democrat that is able to beat Trump.

 

The establishment once again bungled the election in favor of the centrist we tried this in 2016 how far did that get us?? 

 

I swear people in Washington will never understand the real needs of Americans. 

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Biden is leading in the primary. His detractors may not like it, but I don’t believe they get to overturn the will of primary voters. 
 

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12 minutes ago, Olivaw said:

Biden is leading in the primary. His detractors may not like it, but I don’t believe they get to overturn the will of primary voters. 
 

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Biden Currently has 30% of vote will Bernie has 22.5% so he might be leading but with the cancellation of all the primaries we are bound for a brokered convention. 

 

Which Bernie Supporters will not be happy if they don't get something out of this. 

 

Joe is too the right of Hillary and even Trump on some issues. 

 

This guy will get embarrassed in November, mark my words.

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17 hours ago, Olivaw said:

Not to be rude, but Spycar Bill predicted that Bernie and his supporters would try to undermine Biden from the left. I told him he was full of sh-t. Now he’ll tell me I told you so

Spycar Bill is lumping all Bernie supporters into one category.   I've explained to him many times that doing so is a mistake.   Joe Biden is not Hillary Clinton.  Not all Bernie supporters dislike Joe Biden - Joe just needs to bring Bernie supporters into the fold, when that time comes.  

 

As you know, I've supported Bernie Sanders since I lived in northern Vermont in the 80's.  I know the demographics of Bernie's supporters quite well.  It's my belief that most want to be rid of Trump; they despise Trump.  

 

What Biden needs to do is listen to and respond to Bernie supporters.  This was Hillary's mistake; she did not reach out to Bernie supporters.   The place to start, in my opinion, is with healthcare and climate change.  Of course, Biden's platform is much different than Bernie's.  However Joe does need to woo Bernie's supporters with something.  

 

I will be voting for the Democratic nominee.  Many Bernie supporters will.  I do not think that now is the time for a brokered convention (unless, of course, the two candidates are separated by only a few delegates).  The last time I looked at the numbers, Biden was leading by a healthy margin (150+ delegates). 

 

We very much  need to come together to get rid of Donald Trump.  Another four years of Trump will destroy our nation.  

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On 3/30/2020 at 11:24 AM, RollingRock said:

Spycar Bill is lumping all Bernie supporters into one category.   I've explained to him many times that doing so is a mistake.   Joe Biden is not Hillary Clinton.  Not all Bernie supporters dislike Joe Biden - Joe just needs to bring Bernie supporters into the fold, when that time comes.  

 

As you know, I've supported Bernie Sanders since I lived in northern Vermont in the 80's.  I know the demographics of Bernie's supporters quite well.  It's my belief that most want to be rid of Trump; they despise Trump.  

 

What Biden needs to do is listen to and respond to Bernie supporters.  This was Hillary's mistake; she did not reach out to Bernie supporters.   The place to start, in my opinion, is with healthcare and climate change.  Of course, Biden's platform is much different than Bernie's.  However Joe does need to woo Bernie's supporters with something.  

 

I will be voting for the Democratic nominee.  Many Bernie supporters will.  I do not think that now is the time for a brokered convention (unless, of course, the two candidates are separated by only a few delegates).  The last time I looked at the numbers, Biden was leading by a healthy margin (150+ delegates). 

 

We very much  need to come together to get rid of Donald Trump.  Another four years of Trump will destroy our nation.  

 

Yes it is looking more and more like we are going to have a brokered convention when the time comes in July. 

 

But if all the primaries keep getting pushed back Bernie Supporters have a chance to push the message out that something is seriously wrong with Joe Biden, I think it will progressively get worse till the election in November. 

 

But we need to get Trump out of office and the easiest way to do this would be to nominate Bernie, socialism is very popular in the U.S right now, Bernie could have a real boost coming into the July convention.

 

Who knows though I guess we will see...

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On 3/30/2020 at 9:24 AM, RollingRock said:

We very much  need to come together to get rid of Donald Trump.  Another four years of Trump will destroy our nation.  

100% agree. 

 

2 hours ago, zkyllonen8 said:

But if all the primaries keep getting pushed back Bernie Supporters have a chance to push the message out that something is seriously wrong with Joe Biden, I think it will progressively get worse till the election in November. 

The message is being pushed by Trump supporters and a small subset of Bernie supporters. It is not being pushed by a single doctor or mental health professional who has examined Joe Biden. It is not even being pushed by any of the Democrats who ran against Biden in the primary.  Telling. 

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1 hour ago, Olivaw said:

100% agree. 

 

The message is being pushed by Trump supporters and a small subset of Bernie supporters. It is not being pushed by a single doctor or mental health professional who has examined Joe Biden. It is not even being pushed by any of the Democrats who ran against Biden in the primary.  Telling. 

 

Yes but the problem is Trump will have a field day with this on the Debate Stage and Biden's gaffes will not help him. 

 

He has blatantly lied about his civil right record, social security, etc. All recently too, the Republicans will not hold back like the Democrats have.. 

 

Plain and Simple.

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1 minute ago, zkyllonen8 said:

 

Yes but the problem is Trump will have a field day with this on the Debate Stage and Biden's gaffes will not help him. 

 

He has blatantly lied about his civil right record, social security, etc. All recently too, the Republicans will not hold back like the Democrats have.. 

 

Plain and Simple.


It would be simple to catalog Bernie’s shortcomings but that’s beside the point. 
 

There is practically zero chance that Democrats will bypass the primary and award the nomination to Bernie at the convention.

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1 hour ago, Olivaw said:


It would be simple to catalog Bernie’s shortcomings but that’s beside the point. 
 

There is practically zero chance that Democrats will bypass the primary and award the nomination to Bernie at the convention.

 

Im not saying that they should do this.... 

 

But Bernie supporters are going to be upset, if Joe just gets awarded the Nomination.

 

We need to seriously reconsider nominating someone like Joe to our ticket. 

 

He is to the RIGHT of Trump on some issues, and on a majority of policies he is too the right of Hillary. We should not be looking towards the center, we need to move to the left. Not cut Social Security and Medicare like Biden wants to do.

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1 hour ago, zkyllonen8 said:

 

Im not saying that they should do this.... 

 

But Bernie supporters are going to be upset, if Joe just gets awarded the Nomination.

 

We need to seriously reconsider nominating someone like Joe to our ticket. 

 

He is to the RIGHT of Trump on some issues, and on a majority of policies he is too the right of Hillary. We should not be looking towards the center, we need to move to the left. Not cut Social Security and Medicare like Biden wants to do.


Biden has no plan to cut social security and Medicare. There was a doctored video shared by senior Sanders supporter and Trump which attempted to mislead people. Here’s a reasonably balanced analysis of the incident.  https://americantruthtoday.com/left-news/2020/01/20/biden-shreds-sanders-for-doctored-video-sanders-campaign-fires-back/

 

We’re all on the same team. Bernie and Joe are on friendly terms. We have the right to question the nominee’s fitness, but I think we need to be careful about repeating and reinforcing right wing lies. 

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2 hours ago, Olivaw said:


Biden has no plan to cut social security and Medicare. There was a doctored video shared by senior Sanders supporter and Trump which attempted to mislead people. Here’s a reasonably balanced analysis of the incident.  https://americantruthtoday.com/left-news/2020/01/20/biden-shreds-sanders-for-doctored-video-sanders-campaign-fires-back/

 

We’re all on the same team. Bernie and Joe are on friendly terms. We have the right to question the nominee’s fitness, but I think we need to be careful about repeating and reinforcing right wing lies. 

 

I am in no way reinforcing a right wing lie....

 

He has repeatedly said that he wants to cut social security and other social safety net programs, here are some examples of him saying this.

 

This is a serious problem for the nominee of the Democratic Party being on the record for wanting to cut spending to social security and other social safety net programs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Olivaw said:


Biden has no plan to cut social security and Medicare. There was a doctored video shared by senior Sanders supporter and Trump which attempted to mislead people. Here’s a reasonably balanced analysis of the incident.  https://americantruthtoday.com/left-news/2020/01/20/biden-shreds-sanders-for-doctored-video-sanders-campaign-fires-back/

 

We’re all on the same team. Bernie and Joe are on friendly terms. We have the right to question the nominee’s fitness, but I think we need to be careful about repeating and reinforcing right wing lies. 

 

He might not have a plan right now on his website or pushing for these ideas but the problem is that in the past he has tried to do this....

 

What might stop him from doing this again?

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