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Biden is the big winner tonight again. I don't see a viable path for Berine. In my opinion he should consider stopping this thing right and here now for the good of the country. Dragging this out very much longer only weakens us going into November. Joe needs to now focus 100% on beating Trump. There's no point wasting time and money running against a candidate who cannot win.

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If Michigan wants Biden, then Michigan can have him.  I think it's a big mistake, and I think Trump will splatter the walls with Biden, but so be it.

 

Michigan, btw, was among the states that went for Bernie in 2016 in the primary.

 

Good luck, Joe.

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2 hours ago, splunch said:

If Michigan wants Biden, then Michigan can have him.  I think it's a big mistake, and I think Trump will splatter the walls with Biden, but so be it.

 

Not saying you're wrong.  I too would have preferred a younger, more agile candidate.

 

But traditional arguments don't work against Trump because his understanding of facts is limited to their utility for gaining and keeping power.  Trump's idea of debate, policy or political campaigning is a constant offensive of insult and misrepresentation against his opponents.  Trump's policy statements are limited to simple, self-congratulatory diversions like his wall.  So someone like Biden may not be at any less of a disadvantage against Trump than for example, Elizabeth Warren or Joe Buttigieg.

 

2 hours ago, splunch said:

Good luck, Joe.

 

Now that he's the presumptive, I'm behind him 100%.

Dump Trump.

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1 hour ago, bludog said:

 

Not saying you're wrong.  I too would have preferred a younger, more agile candidate.

 

But traditional arguments don't work against Trump because his understanding of facts is limited to their utility for gaining and keeping power.  Trump's idea of debate, policy or political campaigning is a constant offensive of insult and misrepresentation against his opponents.  Trump's policy statements are limited to simple, self-congratulatory diversions like his wall.  So someone like Biden may not be at any less of a disadvantage against Trump than for example, Elizabeth Warren or Joe Buttigieg.

 

 

Now that he's the presumptive, I'm behind him 100%.

Dump Trump.

If Bernie won the nomination I'd be supporting him 100%, even though I think he would do poorly against trump. None of that matters now. All that matters is we get behind our candidate and keep our eyes on the prize. A united party gives us the best chance to kick the R's out of office.

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I can't be behind Joe Biden, I'm sorry.  He has my vote, but that's it.  It's clear that the DNC chooses winners and losers based on who they want to win.  They wanted Joe Biden, so they got Joe Biden.  A man on the wrong side of 70 who's wrong on far too many important issues.  His VP pick will be another dull pick.  (Hopefully not Cory Booker) and in 4 years that's who'll be running for President.  I've become very disillusioned by this political process.  Only reason I'll vote for him is the Supreme Court.  If it weren't for that, I'd vote third party.  

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As long as you vote for him that's all that counts. If Bernie gets the nomination I'd vote for him too although I could never get behind him. No matter if out chosen candidate wins or loses, we should all be united in the goal to defeat trump.  I would strongly disagree with you though that the DNC chooses winners and losers. The democrats voting in the primaries pick the winners and the losers. Always have, always will.

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3 hours ago, calguy said:

As long as you vote for him that's all that counts. If Bernie gets the nomination I'd vote for him too although I could never get behind him. No matter if out chosen candidate wins or loses, we should all be united in the goal to defeat trump.  I would strongly disagree with you though that the DNC chooses winners and losers. The democrats voting in the primaries pick the winners and the losers. Always have, always will.

It may be as important to defeat the forces that brought us Trump, in the long term.  Otherwise, the next Trump might be worse.  If banker Biden gets in there amid another collapsing bubble economy as various factors pull the threads of our debt-fueled market, and we just bail out JPM and GS again, funneling billions into their pockets to keep them going while they walk off with huge fortunes and use the moment only to deepen their grip, and the middle class just gets fvcked-- again --we'll see something like 2016 in 2024.  Incumbent Joe would be all but unchallenged in any sort of primary, and some charlatan like Trump could carry the day.  Best case would be some third party candidate coming in and stealing it, in that scenario.  But really, they are just as likely to be full of crap as anyone else, so who knows.

 

Getting rid of Trump certainly feels like a laudable and important goal.  And I'll do my part.  But if we cannot demand a New Deal without waiting for several years of abject failure and poverty, ala The Great Depression, that seems pretty weak to me.  We should be able to read the writing on the wall and take the steps to correct things before they blow up in our faces.

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3 hours ago, splunch said:

It may be as important to defeat the forces that brought us Trump, in the long term. 

 

Yes, it's important to keep our inner vision fixed on the Shining City On The Hill.

 

3 hours ago, splunch said:

And I'll do my part.

 

But one step at a time.  If we don't succeed in defeating the worst president, so far with a better alternative, the Progressive vision will take a giant step toward obscurity in the USA.  And in its place looms a vision of tyranny.

 

The importance of dumping Trump and replacing him with nearly any Democrat, cannot be emphasized enough.

 

Every single Democrat. Progressives included, need to get behind Joe Biden now.

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Biden is going to get whipped by Trump in the General and Debates 

 

The only candidate that honestly cares about everyone and not just people on Wall Street is Bernie 

 

That being said if Biden is the nominee I will vote for him because f**k trump. 

 

People should just really should have considered voting for someone that is obviously showing signs of mental decline on the Campaign Trail. 

 

We will all get to see this on Sunday with the Debate, which I personally think Bernie will tear apart Joe..... we will see.

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Bernie will go when he's ready. It's way too soon. What we need is for the movement to grow, not quit. Bernie supporters worked their butts off, and they made a huge difference. 

Bernie should be applauded, not forgotten. We got a long long way to go. Right now, we need to not only unite to get rid of the likes like Mitch McConnell, and the Republican 

establishment, we need to get rid of Trump, and push for change in a united way.

 

It would be disgusting to give up at this point. This should only be the beginning. MLK Jr. was so right so long ago. There are so many well educated people with good intentions, for the world to know of, the truth that going forward does not have anything to do with charity, once the truth is set free, scholarly, socially, economically, and even religiously - to all.

 

 

 

 

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30 minutes ago, TheOldBarn said:

Bernie will go when he's ready. It's way too soon. What we need is for the movement to grow, not quit. Bernie supporters worked their butts off, and they made a huge difference. 

Bernie should be applauded, not forgotten. We got a long long way to go. Right now, we need to not only unite to get rid of the likes like Mitch McConnell, and the Republican 

establishment, we need to get rid of Trump, and push for change in a united way.

 

It would be disgusting to give up at this point. This should only be the beginning. MLK Jr. was so right so long ago. There are so many well educated people with good intentions, for the world to know of, the truth that going forward does not have anything to do with charity, once the truth is set free, scholarly, socially, economically, and even religiously - to all.

 

 

 

 

 

Socialism for the Rich and Rugged Individualism for the poor. 

 

That is the society that we live in today and what MLK said in the 60's is even more prevalent in today's society. 

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What can I say?  I'm disappointed we won't have Bernie or Warren, either of which I think might have made a big difference with my #1 concern, which is cronyism and the fraud it perpetuates.  I'm afraid for now my issue does not carry the day, though, so I must consider others.  I'd really rather not see, for example, what the GOP might do to the Supreme Court with another 4 years of Trump.  There is no question about it.

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On 3/18/2020 at 8:32 AM, splunch said:

What can I say?  I'm disappointed we won't have Bernie or Warren, either of which I think might have made a big difference with my #1 concern, which is cronyism and the fraud it perpetuates.  I'm afraid for now my issue does not carry the day, though, so I must consider others.  I'd really rather not see, for example, what the GOP might do to the Supreme Court with another 4 years of Trump.  There is no question about it.

Yup. Warren could explain things so much better than Bernie. They were mostly on the same page. Senator Warren stated she was a Capitalist, but I feel in large part the Right and the Monopolist were much more worried about her getting the nomination. 

The good thing is the young. I sincerely hope they are not too dismayed. When a young person anywhere from age 18 - 30 goes out and gets involved that's a big big deal. It means something special. For them, I say, this is only the beginning. 

The virus thing came from out of nowhere, however most experts in the field of virology knew it was only a matter of time. The US is a rich nation, think about a country like Italy

that has a debt to GDP ratio of 140%. Yes, it has got to be go time for the Democrats in the House and in the Senate. There are a lot of holes in our lack of a health care system

which is not something new. 

https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/coronavirus-means-zero-hour-for-the-european-union

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11 hours ago, TheOldBarn said:

The virus thing came from out of nowhere, however most experts in the field of virology knew it was only a matter of time. The US is a rich nation, think about a country like Italy

that has a debt to GDP ratio of 140%. Yes, it has got to be go time for the Democrats in the House and in the Senate. There are a lot of holes in our lack of a health care system

which is not something new. 

There are a lot of holes everywhere.  As I pointed out somewhere else, we do not prepare for the rainy day, so when it comes, we take it on the chin.  Healthcare, the debt we carry, the people living on the edge, paycheck to paycheck, the "gig economy".  And also our failures to invest in the infrastructure that could provide so much more for people, education.  Not to mention high speed rail, how about an Autobahn from Boston to D.C.?  

 

America has been built almost exclusively to pull profit out of any system we have for about 40 years now.  Ensuring that people with money can keep it and collect more of it is like a national religion.  It's our moral imperative.

 

So when a virus comes along, we're not ready.  We lack balance.  We have borrowed our foundation right out from under ourselves.

 

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3 hours ago, splunch said:

There are a lot of holes everywhere.  As I pointed out somewhere else, we do not prepare for the rainy day, so when it comes, we take it on the chin.  Healthcare, the debt we carry, the people living on the edge, paycheck to paycheck, the "gig economy".  And also our failures to invest in the infrastructure that could provide so much more for people, education.  Not to mention high speed rail, how about an Autobahn from Boston to D.C.?  

 

America has been built almost exclusively to pull profit out of any system we have for about 40 years now.  Ensuring that people with money can keep it and collect more of it is like a national religion.  It's our moral imperative.

 

So when a virus comes along, we're not ready.  We lack balance.  We have borrowed our foundation right out from under ourselves.

 

 

We do lack balance as a Nation we are living in time when it is okay for the president to lie to american public day in and day out on public TV 

 

We need structural change and real transparency throughout our entire government. 

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