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I like Sanders, but I have a good insurance plan (and I'm in a union) and I am concerned that it will be cancelled and I will have to wait for a medicare-for-all plan to be put in place and operational and that it will have a lot of bugs in it. I have however, heard that he would have a hard time actually getting that through Congress. Of course there is also the concern that Trump will go off on the "socialism" card and all the idiots in the country that don't know why that is nonsense will be afraid. Thoughts?

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18 minutes ago, progressivecitizen said:

I like Sanders, but I have a good insurance plan (and I'm in a union) and I am concerned that it will be cancelled

It's good that you are in a union, and have good insurance, but isn't retention of that health insurance plan regularly re-negotiated  with management through union contracts?

Keep in mind what GM union workers experienced just 5 months ago when they tried to retain those benefits:

 

Sept 2019: Union leaders argued that GM workers deserved a bigger slice of the company's record $35 billion profits. Union members called for higher wages, improved pension plan, and retention of a health insurance plan.

 

In response, GM cancelled their health insurance..

General Motors no longer paid the health care costs for the tens of thousands of auto workers, shifting the costs instead to a union fund. The Service Employees International Union called it "heartless and unconscionable."

“GM's decision to yank healthcare coverage away from their dedicated employees, in the dead of night, with no warning, is heartless and unconscionable. GM's actions could put people's lives at risk, from the factory worker who needs treatment for their asthma to the child who relies on their parents' insurance for chemotherapy."

 

Medicare is good insurance too, everyone over 65 seems to love it, and cannot be cancelled.

The proposals for Medicare for All  gradually phase it in benefit by lowering the eligibility age.

But this is only proposed legislation, so before we can even gradually phase it in, it has to pass congress.

And that will be a long, hard fought battle. IMHO, it's a battle worth fighting for.

 

50 minutes ago, progressivecitizen said:

and I will have to wait for a medicare-for-all plan to be put in place and operational and that it will have a lot of bugs in it.

We all would have to wait. Some of us will be eligible for Medicare before M4A becomes operational.

However, realize Medicare is an existing, operational, relatively bug-free system that healthcare providers like hospitals, and Dr's are currently using, and have been using for a long time.

 

"Who are you guys voting for in the primaries?"

 

I will vote progressive, (either Sen. Sanders, or Sen. Warren) in the primary.

 

Sen Warren is good at explaining progressive issues to regular voters, and a skilled debater when she's goes on the offense.

However, she's is not so good at all on the defense, or when attacked. And, there will be many, attacks.

 

Sen Sanders is sort of the opposite. Not so good at converting the skeptical, and (despite common belief), rarely goes on the attack against individuals, or candidates. When he does go on offense, it gets caricatured as angry.

 

However, he has weathered the storm of friendly- fire, (and not so friendly fire) by sticking to his message, and ignoring the inevitable personal attacks, and labels.

It seems to be working, because despite it all, he is winning elections, and polling very well (even in Texas).

 

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11 hours ago, progressivecitizen said:

Thoughts?

 

Not anticipating Warren's performance in the debate, I voted for Bernie by mail-in-ballot.  But, being a Warren/Sanders guy, I don't regret it.

 

One obvious strategy for Warren now would be to turn her guns on Bernie and peel away his voters ...  Something I suspect she's loathe to do.  I myself find it a painful prospect.

 

I have great health insurance through a Medicare advantage plan.  I am not worried about a future switchover to universal healthcare.  There are many ways to phase it in without leaving those with private health insurance in the lurch.

 

 

 

 

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I am proudly going to Vote for Bernie in the Michigan Primary. 

 

I feel he is the best Candidate to beat Trump and best fits to my values and morals. 

 

Plus this is going to be my first Primary ever that I am voting in, I cannot wait to have my voice be heard!

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On 2/21/2020 at 9:22 AM, progressivecitizen said:

I like Sanders, but I have a good insurance plan (and I'm in a union) and I am concerned that it will be cancelled and I will have to wait for a medicare-for-all plan to be put in place and operational and that it will have a lot of bugs in it. I have however, heard that he would have a hard time actually getting that through Congress. Of course there is also the concern that Trump will go off on the "socialism" card and all the idiots in the country that don't know why that is nonsense will be afraid. Thoughts?

I'm sorta in the same boat, currently a union member and have very good coverage but I do agree with the others describing that management could just decide were not doing this anymore and that is it. Of course I'm sure the uaw is going after GM with both barrels right now to undo that decision and hopefully are successful. I agree a lowering of eligibility age makes a lot of sense it will imo lower rates in private insurance by eliminating people who make more claims on average. I see a win win in that scenario.And I'm voting Bernie Sanders also.

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On 2/21/2020 at 10:35 PM, zkyllonen8 said:

I am proudly going to Vote for Bernie in the Michigan Primary. 

 

I feel he is the best Candidate to beat Trump and best fits to my values and morals. 

 

Plus this is going to be my first Primary ever that I am voting in, I cannot wait to have my voice be heard!

Congrats on being a new voter!  :D  This is a big one and your participating is appreciated and much needed.

 

I, too, will be voting for Bernie in the primary.  I got my absentee ballot today.  I've supported Bernie and his politics for the better part of 40 years.  I lived in Burlington, VT in the early 80's back when Bernie was mayor.  I even had the opportunity to meet him a few times, although he probably wouldn't remember me.

Bernie transformed Burlington in his years as a mayor.  I believe he can do the same with the country.

 

Here's one of the best articles about Bernie I've found:

 

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/bernies-burlington-city-sustainable-future/

 

Check it out.  :)  

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On 2/24/2020 at 9:27 AM, RollingRock said:

Congrats on being a new voter!  :D  This is a big one and your participating is appreciated and much needed.

 

I, too, will be voting for Bernie in the primary.  I got my absentee ballot today.  I've supported Bernie and his politics for the better part of 40 years.  I lived in Burlington, VT in the early 80's back when Bernie was mayor.  I even had the opportunity to meet him a few times, although he probably wouldn't remember me.

Bernie transformed Burlington in his years as a mayor.  I believe he can do the same with the country.

 

Here's one of the best articles about Bernie I've found:

 

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/bernies-burlington-city-sustainable-future/

 

Check it out.  :)  

I was actually wondering: what has Sanders accomplished as a senator? I had never heard of him before 2016.

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On 2/24/2020 at 12:27 PM, RollingRock said:

Congrats on being a new voter!  :D  This is a big one and your participating is appreciated and much needed.

 

I, too, will be voting for Bernie in the primary.  I got my absentee ballot today.  I've supported Bernie and his politics for the better part of 40 years.  I lived in Burlington, VT in the early 80's back when Bernie was mayor.  I even had the opportunity to meet him a few times, although he probably wouldn't remember me.

Bernie transformed Burlington in his years as a mayor.  I believe he can do the same with the country.

 

Here's one of the best articles about Bernie I've found:

 

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/bernies-burlington-city-sustainable-future/

 

Check it out.  :)  

 

 I read the article and found it very interesting!

 

I had no idea that he accomplished that much within the Small Town of Burlington. 

 

Just Imagine if he is able to establish his policies on a Large Scale throughout the entire U.S 

 

We would have a economy that works for Working People for once in a generation we have the opportunity to pass fundamental change in all aspects of our government. 

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On 2/25/2020 at 11:55 AM, Imgreatagain said:

will never

 

Imgreatagain:----  This is a warning.  Do not post in LO.  Try it one more time and you will be suspended.  Notice your post is gone.

If you must reply, do it by PM;  Not in LO.

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11 hours ago, progressivecitizen said:

So no one has explained if Bernie has accomplished anything in the U.S. Senate that is noteworthy.

 

what can a person accomplish under this light ?

 

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Voted for Warren.  Real shame that our country is still too sexist to vote for a woman President.  Now my oldest daughters will be old enough to vote before we have a female President.  That's INSANE.  It's unacceptable.  

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8 hours ago, progressivecitizen said:

Yeah, but what about the last 20 years?

that pile has not been that tall ?

 

a productive senate has been in decline for a long time now 

 

 “He has really accomplished very little legislatively,” said former Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA), a consistent Sanders skeptic. “He has accomplished a lot in terms of ideology. And that’s an important role, to be the guy out there speaking.”


 

 

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2 hours ago, Cecelia said:

Voted for Warren.  Real shame that our country is still too sexist to vote for a woman President.  Now my oldest daughters will be old enough to vote before we have a female President.  That's INSANE.  It's unacceptable.  

I would have wanted her too!

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On 2/25/2020 at 12:37 PM, RollingRock said:

Why are you posting in the Liberals Only area?

Because he's a contwit moron who thinks it's funny in his adolescent mind.

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4 hours ago, Cecelia said:

Voted for Warren.  Real shame that our country is still too sexist to vote for a woman President.  Now my oldest daughters will be old enough to vote before we have a female President.  That's INSANE.  It's unacceptable.  

Absolutely unacceptable however she was drawing from basically the same pool of voters Bernie has and Bernie has been more visible to people than Liz Warren. I think she would be an exceptional president who understands the economics for the rank and file citizen and hopefully Bernie if he wins the nomination will ask her to be VP but I suspect he may go the other way and choose a moderate to shore up some from that group. Biden would be wise to select her or Klobaschur.

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On 3/4/2020 at 12:52 AM, fourputt said:

Absolutely unacceptable however she was drawing from basically the same pool of voters Bernie has and Bernie has been more visible to people than Liz Warren. I think she would be an exceptional president who understands the economics for the rank and file citizen and hopefully Bernie if he wins the nomination will ask her to be VP but I suspect he may go the other way and choose a moderate to shore up some from that group. Biden would be wise to select her or Klobaschur.

 

Yeah Biden would be smart to pick someone like Liz to be his VP but o you really think he is going to do this?

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1 minute ago, zkyllonen8 said:

Yeah Biden would be smart to pick someone like Liz to be his VP but o you really think he is going to do this?

 

From a standpoint of party unity, it would be smart for Biden to choose a progressive VP and smart of Sanders to choose a moderate VP.   The risk would be open ideological conflict between the president and the VP, which might have the effect of undermining the president's agenda. 

 

My guess is that neither Biden nor Sanders would be inclined to make concessions to the other wing of the party, in their choices of VP.   They would probably choose a VP who supports them, unconditionally.

 

 

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48 minutes ago, bludog said:

 

From a standpoint of party unity, it would be smart for Biden to choose a progressive VP and smart of Sanders to choose a moderate VP.   The risk would be open ideological conflict between the president and the VP, which might have the effect of undermining the president's agenda. 

 

My guess is that neither Biden nor Sanders would be inclined to make concessions to the other wing of the party, in their choices of VP.   They would probably choose a VP who supports them, unconditionally.

 

 

 

Yeah the best case scenario is for Biden to choose someone that has some of the progressive wing of the party under their wing, but the DNC will prevent this from Happening.

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3 hours ago, bludog said:

 

From a standpoint of party unity, it would be smart for Biden to choose a progressive VP and smart of Sanders to choose a moderate VP.   The risk would be open ideological conflict between the president and the VP, which might have the effect of undermining the president's agenda. 

 

My guess is that neither Biden nor Sanders would be inclined to make concessions to the other wing of the party, in their choices of VP.   They would probably choose a VP who supports them, unconditionally.

 

 

 

Plus I agree with you on both Bernie and Biden not choosing to work with the other side. 

 

I see this as a problem with the Democrats in the Modern Day. 

 

We need to have party unity but the DNC will always prevent this from happening. All they want to do is to protect there self interests and power. 

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24 minutes ago, zkyllonen8 said:

 

Plus I agree with you on both Bernie and Biden not choosing to work with the other side. 

 

I see this as a problem with the Democrats in the Modern Day. 

 

We need to have party unity but the DNC will always prevent this from happening. All they want to do is to protect there self interests and power. 

 

I think this is a part of the extreme polarization we see in the US today.  But Democrats have always been a big tent of individualists, whereas the Republicans tend to submerge their differences more and march in lockstep.  Back in the 1930s Will Roger famously said, "I don't belong to any organized political party.  I'm a Democrat".

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1 hour ago, bludog said:

 

I think this is a part of the extreme polarization we see in the US today.  But Democrats have always been a big tent of individualists, whereas the Republicans tend to submerge their differences more and march in lockstep.  Back in the 1930s Will Roger famously said, "I don't belong to any organized political party.  I'm a Democrat".

 

Welp Will Roger was a smart man for sure.. 

 

Us Democrats need to find a common ground I am so sick and tired of the DNC and establishment Democrats working against the progressive wing of the party. 

 

We need change bad in this country and we will never be able to accomplish this if the DNC always try's to shut up the Progressives of the Party, look at what the Republicans did with the Tea Party movement from the far right of the party, they took off with it and ran. 

 

The Republican Party really does beat the Democratic Party when it comes to Political Strategy. 

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On 3/3/2020 at 5:14 PM, Cecelia said:

Voted for Warren.  Real shame that our country is still too sexist to vote for a woman President.  Now my oldest daughters will be old enough to vote before we have a female President.  That's INSANE.  It's unacceptable.  

Me Too. I feel the nation missed out in not voting for her. She would have made a fantastic president for many reasons. She had the capability to put peoples trust back into government which is sorely needed today. Her plans made sense and I think she would have accomplished a lot. She would also have motivated many talented folks to serve in areas of economics, innovation in science and social policy. And there's no question that we need a woman as president, it's long overdue.

 

Peace!

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