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At fiery debate, a sour welcome for Bloomberg and criticism for Sanders

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2 minutes ago, Neomalthusian said:

 

Um yes?  It's not that uncommon and I've worked in an organization that had different pay scales.

 

Further to your previous point that you believed it was unfair that workers represented by unions could refuse dues/agency fees, as we read in Janus (which made the entire country's public sector Right To Work):

 

"Lastly, as we read in Janus, which established Right To Work for the entire nation's public sector, "whatever unwanted burden is imposed by the representation of nonmembers in disciplinary matters can be eliminated “through means significantly less restrictive of associational freedoms” than the imposition of agency fees. Harris, 573 U. S., at ___ (slip op., at 30) (internal quotation marks omitted). Individual nonmembers could be required to pay for that service or could be denied union representation altogether.  Thus, agency fees cannot be sustained on the ground that unions would otherwise be unwilling to represent nonmembers.  (Footnote:  6. There is precedent for such arrangements. Some States have laws providing that, if an employee with a religious objection to paying an agency fee “requests the [union] to use the grievance procedure or arbitration procedure on the employee’s behalf, the [union] is authorized to charge the employee for the reasonable cost of using such procedure.” E.g., Cal. Govt. Code Ann. §3546.3 (West 2010); cf. Ill. Comp. Stat., ch. 5, §315/6(g) (2016). This more tailored alternative, if applied to other objectors, would prevent free ridership while imposing a lesser burden on First Amendment rights."

If non-union  members are made to pay for the costs of wage negotiations made on behalf of union members but which those non-union members wold benefit, I am not sure I understand what they are saving by NOT being a union member?

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6 minutes ago, maineman said:

If non-union  members are made to pay for the costs of wage negotiations made on behalf of union members but which those non-union members wold benefit, I am not sure I understand what they are saving by NOT being a union member?

 

There are three kinds of workers you could be referring to here.

 

1)  Workers who are not in a union bargaining unit at all.  There is no union that represents them.

2)  Workers who by virtue of their position are in a union bargaining unit, but have opted out of membership.  Assuming the union is "exclusive representative," the union compels representation on whatever person is in that position, and as a function of that compulsory representation, the union has to actually represent them.*

3)  Workers who by virtue of their position are in a union bargaining unit, and have opted in to union membership.

 

* What the Court's majority opinion was saying in Janus is that there are legal ways (as well as precedent) to reduce unions' representational burden when it comes to "free riders" that are less restrictive on individual rights than compelling everyone in category #2 above to pay the union what they call "agency fees."

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On 2/20/2020 at 9:46 AM, leftwinger said:

BERNIE SANDERS
Sanders, like most on stage, was unusually aggressive, blasting not only Bloomberg, but also Pete Buttigieg, the former South Bend, Indiana, mayor. As the current front-runner and the favorite to win the Nevada caucuses on Saturday, Sanders also faced some incoming.

Bloomberg charged that the senator from Vermont is unelectable, while Buttigieg forced him on the defensive about a Nevada culinary union that has criticized his healthcare plan. Sanders also had to address the abusive conduct by some of his online supporters, a faction he described as tiny and inconsequential.

The progressive Sanders likely came out the winner on Wednesday, as the moderate lane of the party appeared no closer to finding a challenger to take him on.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-debate-analysis/bloomberg-bash-at-debate-may-give-democratic-rivals-new-life-idUSKBN20E0J1

Wtf makes Sanders unelectable?

People like what he wants to accomplish and the fact that the establishment and the MSM calls it socialism hasn't done a thing about it. His proposals are as popular as they were four years ago

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1 minute ago, Zaro said:

Wtf makes Sanders unelectable?

People like what he wants to accomplish and the fact that the establishment and the MSM calls it socialism hasn't done a thing about it. His proposals are as popular as they were four years ago

 

We're in the midst of Trump's attempt to subvert democracy. And  Democratic centrists worry that Sanders might actually be the next President.

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13 minutes ago, Zaro said:

Wtf makes Sanders unelectable?

People like what he wants to accomplish and the fact that the establishment and the MSM calls it socialism hasn't done a thing about it. His proposals are as popular as they were four years ago

 

Most Americans don't want a communist as president. That's pretty clear.

 

Plus Sanders is a thick as a brick. Stupid, unethical, and venal. Bad combo.

 

Add in his dictatorial impulses and the populist demagoguery and what's the appeal?

 

Free stuff?

 

Bill

 

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1 minute ago, SpyCar said:

I'm still a boring, repetitive troll.

 

 

Bill

We're aware.

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16 minutes ago, Neomalthusian said:

 

There are three kinds of workers you could be referring to here.

 

1)  Workers who are not in a union bargaining unit at all.  There is no union that represents them.

2)  Workers who by virtue of their position are in a union bargaining unit, but have opted out of membership.  Assuming the union is "exclusive representative," the union compels representation on whatever person is in that position, and as a function of that compulsory representation, the union has to actually represent them.*

3)  Workers who by virtue of their position are in a union bargaining unit, and have opted in to union membership.

 

* What the Court's majority opinion was saying in Janus is that there are legal ways (as well as precedent) to reduce unions' representational burden when it comes to "free riders" that are less restrictive on individual rights than compelling everyone in category #2 above to pay the union what they call "agency fees."

as a guy who has never been in a union, and who spent the majority of my work life in a profession where there were no unions, I will defer to your clearly superior knowledge of the subject.

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9 minutes ago, leftwinger said:

 

We're in the midst of Trump's attempt to subvert democracy. And  Democratic centrists worry that Sanders might actually be the next President.

Only old fuggers have the luxury to believe in the status quo from either party. They will be dead before climate change really kicks our ass. Selfish old fuggs that can't croak soon enough to suit me

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2 minutes ago, Zaro said:

Only old fuggers have the luxury to believe in the status quo from either party. They will be dead before climate change really kicks our ass. Selfish old fuggs that can't croak soon enough to suit me

 

Agree fully.

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4 minutes ago, RollingRock said:

We're aware.

 

Where are the medical records? What is Sanders hiding?

 

Why is he so like Trump?

 

Sanders is a con-man.

 

Bill

 

 

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7 minutes ago, SpyCar said:

 

Most Americans don't want a communist as president. That's pretty clear.

 

Plus Sanders is a thick as a brick. Stupid, unethical, and venal. Bad combo.

 

Add in his dictatorial impulses and the populist demagoguery and what's the appeal?

 

Free stuff?

 

Bill

 

Niqqer please. Anybody who has two marbles to rub together has a good laugh over your Communism schtick. Trying to scare the children? Get another hobby, pops

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5 minutes ago, SpyCar said:

Where are the medical records?

Where are ALL the candidates' medical records?  :huh:   Either require everyone to produce them.....or wait until there's a nominee. 

 

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What is Sanders hiding?

Not sure, but I bet it has to do with people like you who are trying to slow down his obvious momentum.  If every other candidate (without exception) releases their records, I'll call on Bernie to do the same.  

 

But you won't do that, will ya?  :huh:  

 

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Why is he so like Trump?

He's nothing like Trump.  Bernie has worked his entire political life helping the less fortunate.  Trump has worked his entire life helping himself.

 

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I'm a repetitive and boring troll.

 

Bill

You mentioned that.

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Just now, Zaro said:

Niqqer please. Anybody who has two marbles to rub together has a good laugh over your Communism schtick. Trying to scare the children? Get another hobby, pops

 

Next you will tell us that the Socialist Workers Party isn't a communist party. LOL.

 

Bill

 

 

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"the boyz"......complaining about the POS AND PARTY they helped put in Power...

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1 minute ago, RollingRock said:

Where are ALL the candidates' medical records?  :huh:   Either require everyone to produce them.....or wait until there's a nominee. 

 

Not sure, but I bet it has to do with people like you who are trying to slow down his obvious momentum.

 

He's nothing like Trump.

 

You mentioned that.

 

You don't "wait" to see a nominee's medical records, especially when they have just had a heart attack (or two). I suspect the shower door incident was anther heart attack.

 

Sanders promised the full records and then reneged on the promise. That's Trumpian.

 

And the two are alike in lots of ways. Both feed off creating political rage. Both are unethical and steal every dime they can. Like Trump Sanders is pro-gun, anti-immigrant, anti-trade, a protectionist-nativist, and an isolationist who would open the door for Russian and Chinese expansionism.

 

Neither has met a dictator they didn't like.

 

Two scumbags who despise liberal democracy.

 

#NeverBernie

 

Bill

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5 minutes ago, benson13 said:

"the boyz"......complaining about the POS AND PARTY they helped put in Power...

 

They have some chutzpah, wouldn't you say?

 

Bill 

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7 minutes ago, benson13 said:

"the boyz"......complaining about the POS AND PARTY they helped put in Power...

A handful of votes in swing States and the sacred electoral college put Trump* over the top. 

 

*impeached

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4 minutes ago, benson13 said:

"the boyz"......complaining about the POS AND PARTY they helped put in Power...

^^^^ Still seeking to divide the party by blaming others for something he's doing himself (refusing to vote for certain candidates).  Your hypocrisy is showing, Beanie.

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1 minute ago, Zaro said:

A handful of votes in swing States and the sacred electoral college put Trump* over the top. 

 

*impeached

 

Benson works in Russian troll  farm with Duck and Crimea/Rebelgator

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3 minutes ago, SpyCar said:

 

^^^^ Another hypocrite, criticizing me for something he's doing himself.

 

We need to come together to beat Donald Trump, Mr. Tiny Tent.  Stop being such a divisive jackass all your life.

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1 minute ago, RollingRock said:

^^^^ Another hypocrite, criticizing me for something he's doing himself.

 

We need to come together to beat Donald Trump, Mr. Tiny Tent.  Stop being such a divisive jackass all your life.

 

Spybot/benson is a hatemonger. Nothing to  do with politics.

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Just now, leftwinger said:

 

Spybot/benson is a hatemonger. Nothing to  do with politics.

He is on your side most of the time you dimwhit.

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