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The 8 smallest states (i.e., those with three electoral votes) together received only one of the nation’s 952 general-election campaign events in the 2008, 2012, and 2016 elections. 

 

Fourteen of the 15 smallest states by population are ignored, like medium and big states where the statewide winner is predictable, because they’re not swing states. Small states are safe states. Only New Hampshire gets significant attention.

           

Support for a national popular vote has been strong in every smallest state surveyed in polls among Republicans, Democrats, and Independent voters, as well as every demographic group

                                                                 

Among the 13 lowest population states, the National Popular Vote bill has passed in 9 state legislative chambers, and been enacted by 5 jurisdictions.

           

Now political clout comes from being among the handful of battleground states.  70-80% of states and voters are ignored by presidential campaign polling, organizing, ad spending, and visits. Their states’ votes were conceded months before by the minority parties in the states, taken for granted by the dominant party in the states, and  ignored by all parties in presidential campaigns.

                      

State winner-take-all laws negate any simplistic mathematical equations about the relative power of states based on their number of residents per electoral vote. Small state math means absolutely nothing to presidential campaign polling, organizing, ad spending, and visits, or to presidents once in office.

                              

In the 25 smallest states in 2008, the Democratic and Republican popular vote was almost tied (9.9 million versus 9.8 million), as was the electoral vote (57 versus 58).

        

In 2012, 24 of the nation's 27 smallest states received no attention at all from presidential campaigns after the conventions. They were ignored despite their supposed numerical advantage in the Electoral College. In fact, the 8.6 million eligible voters in Ohio received more campaign ads and campaign visits from the major party campaigns than the 42 million eligible voters in those 27 smallest states combined. 

              

The 12 smallest states are totally ignored in presidential elections.  These states are not ignored because they are small, but because they are not closely divided “battleground” states.          

           

Now with state-by-state winner-take-all laws (not mentioned in the U.S. Constitution, but later enacted by 48 states), presidential elections ignore 12 of the 13 lowest population states (3-4 electoral votes), that are non-competitive in presidential elections. 6 regularly vote Republican (AK, ID, MT, WY, ND, and SD), and 6 regularly vote Democratic (RI, DE, HI, VT, ME, and DC) in presidential elections.

 

Similarly, the 25 smallest states have been almost equally noncompetitive. They voted Republican or Democratic 12-13 in 2008 and 2012.
 

Voters in states, of all sizes, that are reliably red or blue don't matter. Candidates ignore those states and the issues they care about most.

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95% of the U.S. population in 1790 lived in places of less than 2,500 people, and only a few states let males, with substantial property, vote

 

 

Now, voters in the biggest cities are almost exactly balanced out by rural areas in terms of population and partisan composition.

 

16%  of the U.S. population lives outside the nation's Metropolitan Statistical Areas.  Rural America has voted 60% Republican. None of the 10 most rural states matter now.

 

16%  of the U.S. population lives in the top 100 cities. They voted 63% Democratic in 2004.

The population of the top 50 cities (going as far down as Arlington, TX) is only 15% of the population of the United States.

           

The rest of the U.S., in Suburbs divide almost exactly equally between Republicans and Democrats.

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Now, the Electoral College would not prevent a candidate winning in states with 270 electoral votes from being elected President of the United States

                                                                                        

Now 48 states have winner-take-all state laws for awarding electoral votes to the statewide winner.

2 award one electoral vote to the winner of each congressional district, and two electoral votes statewide.

 Neither method is mentioned in the U.S. Constitution.

 

The electors have been and will be dedicated party activist supporters of the winning party’s candidate who meet briefly in mid-December to cast their totally predictable rubberstamped votes in accordance with their pre-announced pledges.

 

There have been 24,067 electoral votes cast since presidential elections became competitive (in 1796), and only 31 have been cast in a deviant way, for someone other than the candidate nominated by the elector's own political party (one clear faithless elector, 29 grand-standing votes, and one accidental vote). 1796 remains the only instance when the elector might have thought, at the time he voted, that his vote might affect the national outcome.

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The National Popular Vote bill was approved in 2016 by a unanimous bipartisan House committee vote in both Georgia (16 electoral votes) and Missouri (10).

                                                                                                                     

Since 2006, the bill has passed 41 state legislative chambers in 25 rural, small, medium, large, Democratic, Republican and purple states with 284 electoral votes, including one house in Arizona (11), Arkansas (6), Maine (4), Michigan (16), Minnesota (10), North Carolina (15),  Oklahoma (7) and Virginia (13), and both houses in Nevada (6).

The bill has been enacted by 16 small, medium, and large jurisdictions with 196 electoral votes – 73% of the way to guaranteeing the majority of Electoral College votes and the presidency to the candidate with the most national popular votes.

                                                                                                     

When enacted by states with 270 electoral votes, it would change state winner-take-all laws (not mentioned in the U.S. Constitution, but later enacted by 48 states), in the enacting states, without changing anything in the Constitution, again using the built-in method that the Constitution provides for states to make changes.

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On 2/14/2020 at 7:56 PM, merrill said:

In Gallup polls since 1944, only about 20% of the public has supported the current system of awarding all of a state's electoral votes to the presidential candidate who receives the most votes in each separate state (not mentioned in the U.S. Constitution, but later enacted by 48 states) (with about 70% opposed and about 10% undecided).

 

Support for a national popular vote is strong among Republicans, Democrats, and Independent voters, as well as every demographic group in every state surveyed recently.

 

In the 41 red, blue, and purple states surveyed, overall support has been in the 67-81% range – in rural states, in small states, in Southern and border states, in big states, and in other states polled. 

 

Most Americans don't ultimately care whether their presidential candidate wins or loses in their state or district . . . they care whether he/she wins the White House.

 

Voters want to know, that no matter where they live, even if they were on the losing side, their vote actually was equally counted and mattered to their candidate.

 

Most Americans think it is wrong that the candidate with the most popular votes can lose. We don't allow this in any other election in our representative republic.

 

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34 minutes ago, oldgulph said:

The 8 smallest states (i.e., those with three electoral votes) together received only one of the nation’s 952 general-election campaign events in the 2008, 2012, and 2016 elections. 

 

Fourteen of the 15 smallest states by population are ignored, like medium and big states where the statewide winner is predictable, because they’re not swing states. Small states are safe states. Only New Hampshire gets significant attention.

           

Support for a national popular vote has been strong in every smallest state surveyed in polls among Republicans, Democrats, and Independent voters, as well as every demographic group

                                                                 

Among the 13 lowest population states, the National Popular Vote bill has passed in 9 state legislative chambers, and been enacted by 5 jurisdictions.

           

Now political clout comes from being among the handful of battleground states.  70-80% of states and voters are ignored by presidential campaign polling, organizing, ad spending, and visits. Their states’ votes were conceded months before by the minority parties in the states, taken for granted by the dominant party in the states, and  ignored by all parties in presidential campaigns.

                      

State winner-take-all laws negate any simplistic mathematical equations about the relative power of states based on their number of residents per electoral vote. Small state math means absolutely nothing to presidential campaign polling, organizing, ad spending, and visits, or to presidents once in office.

                              

In the 25 smallest states in 2008, the Democratic and Republican popular vote was almost tied (9.9 million versus 9.8 million), as was the electoral vote (57 versus 58).

        

In 2012, 24 of the nation's 27 smallest states received no attention at all from presidential campaigns after the conventions. They were ignored despite their supposed numerical advantage in the Electoral College. In fact, the 8.6 million eligible voters in Ohio received more campaign ads and campaign visits from the major party campaigns than the 42 million eligible voters in those 27 smallest states combined. 

              

The 12 smallest states are totally ignored in presidential elections.  These states are not ignored because they are small, but because they are not closely divided “battleground” states.          

           

Now with state-by-state winner-take-all laws (not mentioned in the U.S. Constitution, but later enacted by 48 states), presidential elections ignore 12 of the 13 lowest population states (3-4 electoral votes), that are non-competitive in presidential elections. 6 regularly vote Republican (AK, ID, MT, WY, ND, and SD), and 6 regularly vote Democratic (RI, DE, HI, VT, ME, and DC) in presidential elections.

 

Similarly, the 25 smallest states have been almost equally noncompetitive. They voted Republican or Democratic 12-13 in 2008 and 2012.
 

Voters in states, of all sizes, that are reliably red or blue don't matter. Candidates ignore those states and the issues they care about most.

 

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On 2/14/2020 at 6:52 PM, merrill said:

What is wrong with the Electoral College?

  • The main problem with the Electoral College is that while electors are supposed to vote according to the outcome in their state, they are not required to do so. And in fact, since the founding of the Electoral College, individual electors have voted against the person the citizens voted for over 80 times.

 

Mad New York and California can’t decide everything for the other 48 states. 
 

We don’t want to step in human shit taking a walk down our streets. 

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CA has 55 electors.  NY 29. 270 are and would be needed to win the Electoral College.

 

California and New York had a total of 24,243,000 registered voters.
15% of the total number of registered voters in the US in 2018 (which is 153,066,000).

 

5,187,019 Californians live in rural areas.

1,366,760 New Yorkers live in rural areas.

 

Now, because of statewide winner-take-all laws for awarding electors, minority party voters in the states don’t matter.

 

California and New York state together would not dominate the choice of President under National Popular Vote because there is an equally populous group of Republican states (with 58 million people) that gave Trump a similar percentage of their vote (60%) and a similar popular-vote margin (6 million).

                                   

In 2016, New York state and California Democrats together cast 9.7% of the total national popular vote.

                 

California & New York state account for 16.7% of the voting-eligible population

                             

Alone, they could not determine the presidency.

                                                                                                                            

In total New York state and California  (84 electors in total) cast 16% of the total national popular vote

        

In total, Florida (29), Texas (38), and Pennsylvania (20)  (87 total) cast 18% of the total national popular vote.

Trump won those states.      

 

All the voters – 66% --  in the 45 other states and DC would matter and count equally.

 

The vote margin in California and New York wouldn't have put Clinton over the top in the popular vote total without the additional 60 million votes she received in other states.

 

In 2004, among the four largest states, the two largest Republican states (Texas and Florida) generated a total margin of 2.1 million votes for Bush, while the two largest Democratic states generated a total margin of 2.1 million votes for Kerry. 

 

New York state and California together cast 15.7% of the national popular vote in 2012.

About 62% Democratic in CA, and 64% in NY.

 

New York and California have 15.6% of Electoral College votes.  Now that proportion is all reliably Democratic.

 

Under a popular-vote system CA and NY would have less weight than under the current system because their popular votes would be diluted among candidates.

 

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9 hours ago, DeepBreath said:

Mad New York and California can’t decide everything for the other 48 states. 
 

We don’t want to step in human shit taking a walk down our streets. 

  But yet you eat every turd trump tosses your way.

 Ironic

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19 minutes ago, Squatchman said:

  But yet you eat every turd trump tosses your way.

 Ironic

what "turd" are you saying Trump tosses?  think you urinating on everyone is less?  You act like a dominate force of nature while only a simple reproduction believing you know something more than instincts navigate all the time. 

 

Your more knowledge is just hypothetical speculation of what life might be like if now wasn't the eternal point reproductions are separated as conceived to decomposed as long as a species keeps reproducing one genration after another currently present as zygote, embryo, fetus, infant, toddler, adolsecent, teen adult, possible 1 of 2 parents, might become 1 of 4 grandparents, even reach 1 of 8 great grandparent statuses if died before your replacement baby was born.  

 

Here today and gone tomorrow and in a blink of an eye, another I dies as well as other I's born.  Ever changing people populaiton now, bet your brain in gear as what your ancestry beleived tore your ancestry apart mentally for what, social narrative of directing outcomes from speculation until extinction creating a network  chain of command making it a crime to understand real.

 

simple construct of electoral College is to prevent urban sprawl from monoplizing rural population so ancestors don't have to assume social identtiies cradle to grave.

 

Liberty ends when mob rule legalizes doubt and punishes honesty as crimes against humanity globally from any local town hall, city council, county seat, state or federal capital.

 

Inside out network worked by getting the population to think outside in being eternally separated so far. So simple those making it a reality call it truth, factual by shadow of doubt everyone reasons life to be a 24/7 time line hope, faith, charity subliminially keep the intelelctual sense of helplessness, hoplessness, worthlessness for not joining societal evolution regardless the current generation from now on.

 

Squatchman your ideology is squashed. Only thing keeping it real are the deniers serving it.

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On 2/14/2020 at 8:11 PM, merrill said:

In Gallup polls since 1944, only about 20% of the public has supported the current system of awarding all of a state's electoral votes to the presidential candidate who receives the most votes in each separate state (not mentioned in the U.S. Constitution, but later enacted by 48 states) (with about 70% opposed and about 10% undecided).

 

Support for a national popular vote is strong among Republicans, Democrats, and Independent voters, as well as every demographic group in every state surveyed recently.

 

In the 41 red, blue, and purple states surveyed, overall support has been in the 67-81% range – in rural states, in small states, in Southern and border states, in big states, and in other states polled. 

 

Most Americans don't ultimately care whether their presidential candidate wins or loses in their state or district . . . they care whether he/she wins the White House.

 

Voters want to know, that no matter where they live, even if they were on the losing side, their vote actually was equally counted and mattered to their candidate.

 

Most Americans think it is wrong that the candidate with the most popular votes can lose. We don't allow this in any other election in our representative republic.

The Electoral College gives sole yet another opportunity to use the phrases "urban sprawl" and "mob rule". sole prefers "rural sprawl" .

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41 minutes ago, sole result said:

Squatchman your ideology is squashed. Only thing keeping it real are the deniers serving it.

Those who deny sole are legion. Reality is not affected by majorities.

To sole, everyone who disagrees with sole is a denier.

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The LEAST democratic thing about the idiotic Electoral College is that the candidate that gets one vote more than 50% gets ALL the electoral votes. The other 49.9% of the population is ignored.

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It was a compromise and it is working just fine … you all just need to change your thinking.

 

The Constitution would not exist with out compromises … The small states realized that no one would pay attention to them and that they would have little input in a popular election for President … In order to get the small states to ratify the Constitution they needed more power in selecting the President … the Electoral College. 

 

We have been electing Presidents this way for over 230 years and it is working fine … the States elect the President by the people within the states voting... 

 

Change your high school thinking ...

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5 hours ago, Squatchman said:

  But yet you eat every turd trump tosses your way.

 Ironic

Best unemployment in 50 years

Lowest ever for minorities

beat wage growth in over a decade

best economy since the 90’s

 

I don’t care what comes out of his mouth as long as we have the best economy on earth. 

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