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Will the Dems Lose the Unions?

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What's going on is that some unions have, over the years, prioritized wage increases over health benefit generosity, and it's these unions that are most in favor of single payer, because it's easy to assume single payer will be more generous overall than their current benefit, whereas other unions have sacrificed wage gains for maintaining their ultra-expensive, ultra-platinum coverage, and they are the ones who are not sold on single payer, because it's easy to assume single payer will be less generous than their current benefit, and they'll have no practical means to ensure commensurate wage gains when single payer passes.

 

This is why we have this culinary union among dozens of others lashing out at Bernie Sanders saying "we fought hard for our insurance," and then you have, for example, this flight attendant's union lashing out against Pete Buttigieg for saying "they fought hard for their insurance."

 

If I were unions right now, I would be asking to re-open negotiations and tell employers that this is for the purpose of trying to secure less generous health insurance and ask for whatever commensurate corresponding wage increases provide a break-even financial scenario or even slightly gainful financial position for the employer.  This would result in substantial wage increases (health insurance is expensive), and then in the event another health insurance reform law passes in the coming handful of years, there isn't a risk of losing a platinum coverage without being able to secure any accompanying wage increases.  If all unions did this, they could all pull in the same direction on single payer, whereas right now a lot of unions are trying to knock the legs out from under it.

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3 hours ago, personreal said:

"Nevada’s Culinary Union, which boasts of 60,000 members, says supporters of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) have “viciously attacked” the organization and working families due to the organization’s recent policy explainer, which notes the socialist senator’s intention to erase union health benefits under Medicare for All."

 

"The influential union, which describes itself as Nevada’s “largest immigrant organization,” recently sent an informational flyer to members highlighting policy positions of six Democrat presidential candidates, including Sanders. The pamphlet shows that the presidential hopeful would effectively “End Culinary Healthcare” under Medicare for All — a position the union disapproves of"

 

 

Will the members leave the unions and I am not just talking labor unions.  Mob rule social identity unions staging the social chaos 24/7.

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4 minutes ago, sole result said:

Will the members leave the unions and I am not just talking labor unions.  Mob rule social identity unions staging the social chaos 24/7.

I doubt it...but they may not vote for dems like they usually do.

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13 minutes ago, personreal said:

I doubt it...but they may not vote for dems like they usually do.

gee you doubt now is eternity. in the big picture of actually being separated eternally as conceived to decomposed displaced now specific only one of the population never the same details twice, please say what else does it naturally as simultaneously going on when spontaneously alive?

 

thing is I did it 38 years ago. Been a social outcast since, and while an outcast still managed a lifestyle in the upper 25% of humanity on the economic scale. I prepare for the future a different way that most and still rank in the upper 20%.

 

I risk everything I earned and am doing this because if I don't do it what I earned is being erased by interpretation it wasn't fair to the won't, don't, can't, unable to do it on their own.  Gee why doesn't democracy work every time it is tried for the last 3,000 years, that would be 150 to 200 reproductive cycles of changing population exchangirank between zygote, embryo, fetus, born, infant, toddler, adolsecent, teen, adult, might become 1 of 2 parents, aunt/uncle, , might become 1 of 4 grandparents, might become 1 of 8 great grandparents. while existing simultaneosuly together conveived to decomposed in order of arrival to exist now passing through the atmosphere here as it has always happened in plain sight.

 

days of trying to make me feel guilty died july 12, 2006.

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2 minutes ago, sole result said:

gee you doubt now is eternity. in the big picture of actually being separated eternally as conceived to decomposed displaced now specific only one of the population never the same details twice, please say what else does it naturally as simultaneously going on when spontaneously alive?

Oh

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10 minutes ago, personreal said:

Oh

You pave the highway to eternal hell roadkill.  You sacrificed your time being you for acting larger than you ever were as physicaklly alive so far.  karma is that great white light that arrives on your last exhale and instincts remove intellectual doubt used since age 4. Common paths people take regardless what they believe true.

 

Look through the eyes of one of a kind, not as a member of cast of people defendng one mind.  Idealist or mentalist getting others to blindly obey their power of suggestion transformed into persuasion of power "we said so, let no individual get in the way or else.",

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Just now, dontlooknow said:

That is exactly why I like buttyjudge. 

DLN you will never rank higher in social circles than a groupie of a devil's advocate.

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34 minutes ago, sole result said:

You pave the highway to eternal hell roadkill.  You sacrificed your time being you for acting larger than you ever were as physicaklly alive so far.  karma is that great white light that arrives on your last exhale and instincts remove intellectual doubt used since age 4. Common paths people take regardless what they believe true.

 

Look through the eyes of one of a kind, not as a member of cast of people defendng one mind.  Idealist or mentalist getting others to blindly obey their power of suggestion transformed into persuasion of power "we said so, let no individual get in the way or else.",

Now I'm going to hell?

 

Gee...that's a little harsh.   lol

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1 hour ago, Neomalthusian said:

 

That's actually pretty unlikely.  As it is now, DHHS/CMS doesn't even administer its own programs (e.g. Medicare) without help from insurance companies.  The idea that they'd actually take over benefit administration, claims processing and payment, and utilization management for 320+ million people seems a bit outlandish.  


All of the overhead of healthcare is insurance companies, read banks, not actual providers. 
 

320 million people do not have healthcare coverage through an insurance company sponsored plan. 
 

Anyone who has a plan through their employer, has one sponsored through a private insurance company, which is all of the cost to the employer.

 

The employer is then double taxed by paying premiums through payroll deductions, and copays with their doctor, then the added cost of what their plan doesn’t cover, plus the added cost of their prescription medicines after that. 
 

There are no benefit to the current healthcare industry currently in place for either the employer or employer.

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1 hour ago, personreal said:

Now I'm going to hell?

 

Gee...that's a little harsh.   lol

Your reading comprehension is terrible, I said you maintain eternal hell.  Remember I say time is stationary and details never duplicat what already existed and exists so far.  real is everything taking place, reality is that projection of what the future might, could, should, would if everyone quits paying attention to their instinctive awareness life is a singularity moment at being ancestrally spaced apart now.

 

Accept it and life is just a balancing act cradle to grave and pretending it isn't is constant self destruction trying to prove now isn't eternity until extinction.  Self fulfilling prophecies numbnuts.

 

people of character destroy people of ancestry to get their way morally, legally, ethically, socially. the 4 corners of triangulating from a "higher level of consciousness) that is made up by those in charge staying in power to control outcomes of everyone added to this ever changing populaiton now.

 

Gee what is greed again?  Money or control what everyone else is allowed to do cradle to grave. 

I can decypher the 10 commandments same way I can 10 Bill of rights, 10 first admendments to the Constitution jan 1791. any 10 ten list david Letterman ever put on his show nightly.

 

Simply by not using time table logistics with ancestral reproductions only exist now. Simple compounding between contracting results and expanding never duplicated total sum details from now on.  Why doesn't your brain navigate that? You been trained to mind grammar since 4 years old. Every language does the same governance in separate tongues, symbolic values, traditional behaviors all come back to never happens beyond simultaneously here because you are a self evident part in it. Same as I am..

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The union came out against Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders is NOT a Democrat.

 

The union likes the Democrat's plans on health care, not Bernie's MFA plan.

 

Bill

 

 

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6 minutes ago, SpyCar said:

The union came out against Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders is NOT a Democrat.

He's running on the Democratic ticket and could very well be the party's candidate.

 

6 minutes ago, SpyCar said:

The union likes the Democrat's plans on health care, not Bernie's MFA plan.

 

Bill

Healthcare is the number one issue.  Continue to leave people without access to healthcare and that candidate will lose.

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7 hours ago, personreal said:

"Nevada’s Culinary Union, which boasts of 60,000 members, says supporters of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) have “viciously attacked” the organization and working families due to the organization’s recent policy explainer, which notes the socialist senator’s intention to erase union health benefits under Medicare for All."

 

"The influential union, which describes itself as Nevada’s “largest immigrant organization,” recently sent an informational flyer to members highlighting policy positions of six Democrat presidential candidates, including Sanders. The pamphlet shows that the presidential hopeful would effectively “End Culinary Healthcare” under Medicare for All — a position the union disapproves of"

 

 

They should switch, they didnt do well at all when Ovomit terrorized America for 8 years.I used to work at 5 factories that closed during Ovomit, All unionized. The idiots that supported Ovomit were all with out jobs because of their own ignorance.The chief steward who is always the last to go, wasnt the the last one to go, I was.I kind of enjoyed asking them "How did that work out for ya?".There was a union poster that had Obamas picture on it That was always on the union office door...IDIOTS!

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I don't blame the unions for not endorsing somebody yet. There is no clear front runner and it would look silly if they endorsed a person that wouldn't win the nomination. 

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Just now, dontlooknow said:

I don't blame the unions for not endorsing somebody yet. There is no clear front runner and it would look silly if they endorsed a person that wouldn't win the nomination. 

Sort of like how Lindsey graham looked silly calling trump all those names. 

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1 minute ago, 123urout said:

They should switch, they didnt do well at all when Ovomit terrorized America for 8 years.I used to work at 5 factories that closed during Ovomit, All unionized. The idiots that supported Ovomit were all with out jobs because of their own ignorance.The chief steward who is always the last to go, wasnt the the last one to go, I was.I kind of enjoyed asking them "How did that work out for ya?".There was a union poster that had Obamas picture on it That was always on the union office door...IDIOTS!

Yes they did. You have no clue what you are talking about. Unions grew under Obama. And still have 30% higher wages and better benifits than non.union.workers. 

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Just now, dontlooknow said:

Yes they did. You have no clue what you are talking about. Unions grew under Obama. And still have 30% higher wages and better benifits than non.union.workers. 

Moron!

 

Here's How Many Manufacturing Jobs We've Lost Since Obama Took Office

Cortney O'Brien
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Posted: Dec 02, 2016 10:00 AM
 
 
 
Here's How Many Manufacturing Jobs We've Lost Since Obama Took Office
 

As the media begins to draw a pretty picture about the November jobs report, namely that unemployment has dropped to 4.6 percent, its lowest level in nine years, they are unlikely to tell you the other part of the story. The labor force participation rate continues to decline and is stuck at a rate we haven't seen since February 1978, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. 

 

It gets worse. Last month, we lost 4,000 manufacturing jobs, offering more damage to the already 301,000 we've lost since President Obama took office. The Republican National Committee says that is going to change under President-elect Donald Trump, who has already brought 1,000 of those manufacturing jobs back.

“The 4,000 manufacturing jobs that disappeared last month come on top of the over 300,000 that have been lost under President Obama, more proof that President-elect Donald Trump’s efforts to stand up for the American worker is the commitment our country needs right now,” said RNC Co-Chair Sharon Day in a statement on Friday. “This election showed that millions of Americans don’t trust Democrats to create good jobs and opportunity, and President-elect Trump’s determination to save 1,000 jobs in Indiana is just a preview of his agenda of prosperity for all. Even before taking office, President-elect Trump has proven that protecting and creating jobs will be among his highest priorities as president, and Americans who have spent years struggling under President Obama can look forward to a brighter future for themselves and their families.”

Just for giggles, here's a flashback of Obama mocking Trump for needing a miracle to keep Carrier jobs in the U.S

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I don't blame the union for not endorsing somebody yet. It would look silly at this point endorsing a person that will lose. Like Lindsey graham looked silly attack Trump saying Trump was a sexist and nasty person. 

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8 minutes ago, RollingRock said:

He's running on the Democratic ticket and could very well be the party's candidate.

 

Healthcare is the number one issue.  Continue to leave people without access to healthcare and that candidate will lose.

 

No way in hell that Sanders become the Democratic nominee. Don't buy into your delusional thinking. It will NEVER happen.

 

Democrats will provide a path to universal healthcare, it just won't be the MFA "plan" offered up by Sanders (the one her never explains how he will pay for).

 

The unions don't want Sanders. Nor surprising. Communism is not America's future.

 

Bill

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37 minutes ago, SpyCar said:

No way in hell that Sanders become the Democratic nominee. Don't buy into your delusional thinking. It will NEVER happen.

You haven't taken a gander at the national polls in the last few days, I take it?  

 

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Democrats will provide a path to universal healthcare, it just won't be the MFA "plan" offered up by Sanders (the one her never explains how he will pay for).

He has explained how he would pay for it.  That said, I'm open to any form of single payer coverage where people making less than $50k don't have to pay money out of pocket.  Those people don't make enough to satisfy massive deductibles.  Most commercial insurance plans have deductibles of several thousand dollars that the patient has to pay before insurance pays anything.  

 

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The unions don't want Sanders. Nor surprising. Communism is not America's future.

 

Bill

Incorrect.  Unions love Bernie.   You need to find some new talking points, sparky.  :lol:  

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30 minutes ago, RollingRock said:

You haven't taken a gander at the national polls in the last few days, I take it?  

 

He has explained how he would pay for it.  That said, I'm open to any form of single payer coverage where people making less than $50k don't have to pay money out of pocket.  Those people don't make enough to satisfy massive deductibles.  Most commercial insurance plans have deductibles of several thousand dollars that the patient has to pay before insurance pays anything.  

 

Incorrect.  Unions love Bernie.   You need to find some new talking points, sparky.  :lol:  

 

I look at the state polls and BS can not win. You are setting us all up for your cult to walk out again in a fit of rage. Lower your expectations. Democrats will rally around someone other than Sanders. Guaranteed. He can not win the nomination. We are not a communist party.

 

Sanders has never said how he'd pay for MFA or even said what it would cost. Why lie?

 

The culinary workers union in Nevada slammed Sanders and the MFA plan. You are delusional.

 

Bill

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14 minutes ago, SpyCar said:

I look at the state polls and Bernie can not win.

We'll see.  You're going to support the Democratic nominee, whoever it is, correct?  :huh:  

 

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Lower your expectations. Democrats will rally around someone other than Sanders. Guaranteed. He can not win the nomination.

He can win.  You should stop listening to the voices in your head.  I'm voting for whomever gets the nomination.  I take it you're not?

 

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We are not a communist party.

Well that's good because Bernie's not a "communist."  Are you that dumb?

 

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Sanders has never said how he'd pay for MFA or even said what it would cost. Why lie?

He has.  You should try Google.  It will tell you things you (obviously) did not know.  :)  

 

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The culinary workers union in Nevada slammed Sanders and the MFA plan. You are delusional.

 

Bill

Yeah, how terrible that people be able to go see a doctor without ending up in bankruptcy court.  The nerve of him.  

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Just now, RollingRock said:

We'll see.  You're going to support the Democratic nominee, whoever it is, correct?  :huh:  

 

He can win.  You should stop listening to the voices in your head.  I'm voting for whomever gets the nomination.  I take it you're not?

 

Well that's good because Bernie's not a "communist."  Are you that dumb?

 

He has.  You should try Google.  It will tell you things you (obviously) did not know.  :)  

 

Yeah, how terrible that people be able to go see a doctor without ending up in bankruptcy court.  The nerve of him.  

 

I will happily support any Democrat who wins the nomination.

 

Sanders most certainly is a communist. The Socialist Workers Party is a communist party. I can not be gaslighted, comrade.

 

Sanders plan isn't about health care," it is about ending private enterprise in the United States one chunk at a time.

 

If he cared about people, he'd back the (actually passable) public option plan supported by liberal Democrats.

 

Bill

 

 

 

 

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