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9 minutes ago, DeepBreath said:

Listen, stupid. I have a BSN and a licensed RN in multiple states. 
 

A BSN encompasses studying and researching healthcare from around the globe. That especially includes the differences in scope of practice of not only different states but also different countries within different models of healthcare systems. 

None of that really means anything when you are working so hard at evading a proper answer to a simple question with a link to support your claim.

 

I don't care if you're an RN.  Doesn't mean your claims are correct.

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4 minutes ago, Ranb said:

None of that really means anything when you are working so hard at evading a proper answer to a simple question with a link to support your claim.

 

I don't care if you're an RN.  Doesn't mean your claims are correct.

It’s common knowledge, idiot. That means it’s easily searchable. Why are you afraid of learning  your ideas may not be a solid as you think? 
 

You can’t debate until you know BOTH sides of an issue, dum dum. 

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11 hours ago, DeepBreath said:

dum dum. 

When this is the most thought you can put into the debate, then you're on the losing side.  When you make a claim, you support it with a link, not the other way around.  I'm willing to admit that I'm wrong, but not to a person who insults another forum member when they ask for evidence to support the claim.

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On 2/16/2020 at 9:26 AM, JoeAverage said:

44 million Americans are uninsured, and eight out of ten of these are workers or their dependents. Why is being uninsured a problem? About 44 million people in this country have no health insurance, and another 38 million have inadequate health insurance.

 

Add another 20-30 million illegal aliens to the 44 million and 38 million under insured.

 

100-110 million MORE covered under MFA.

Yup,  the supply and demand concept is a little too much for their pointy little heads!

 

Houston, we have a problem! These projections below do not include another 100 million people!

 

Nursing Shortage

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ Employment Projections 2016-2026, Registered Nursing (RN) is listed among the top occupations in terms of job growth through 2026. The RN workforce is expected to grow from 2.9 million in 2016 to 3.4 million in 2026, an increase of 438,100 or 15%. The Bureau also projects the need for an additional 203,700 new RNs each year through 2026 to fill newly created positions and to replace retiring nurses.

 

 

New Findings Confirm Predictions on Physician Shortage

April 23, 2019

The United States will see a shortage of up to nearly 122,000 physicians by 2032 as demand for physicians continues to grow faster than supply, according to new data published today by the AAMC (Association of American Medical Colleges). The projected shortfall is similar to past projections and ranges from 46,900 to 121,900 physicians.

“The nation’s population is growing and aging, and as we continue to address population health goals like reducing obesity and tobacco use, more Americans will live longer lives. These factors and others mean we will need more doctors,” said AAMC President and CEO Darrell G. Kirch, MD. “Even with new ways of delivering care, America’s doctor shortage continues to remain real and significant.”

Conducted by the Life Science division of IHS Markit, a global information company, this fifth annual study, The Complexities of Physician Supply and Demand: Projections from 2017-2032, includes scenarios that have been refined and updated based on input from stakeholders, and new modeling  that examines the impact of emerging health care delivery trends on physician shortages. 

Key findings from the report include:

Your hate party is driven by hate fact, (lies and distortions)  Haven't you notice what comes out of scum bags mouth , all lies/

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On 2/16/2020 at 10:18 AM, JoeAverage said:

Still afraid to do your own research and actually learn the truth?

 

Fact: Countries with cradle to grave entitlements have significantly higher income tax rates.

 

You are a walking talking joke , considering that Fox Crap news and the Heritage foundation is the source for your hate party

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On 2/16/2020 at 10:27 AM, JoeAverage said:

Medicare for All IS a cradle to grave entitlement, you really can't be this stupid can you?

Kiss off, you Nazi wannabees have no brains and are controlled by stupid. I can proof it , you believe what scum bag says.

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On 2/16/2020 at 10:40 AM, JoeAverage said:

I deal in reality, it has nothing to do with hate.

 

This took all of 5 seconds to Google, learn what the Democratic Socialist have done to Sweden.

 

While there is little doubt that the Swedish people have benefited from the "Swedish Model," they also have one of the heaviest tax burdens in the world. Today, an average Swedish working family pays about half its earned income in national and local taxes. Swedes also pay taxes on investment income. In addition, Sweden has a national 25 percent sales tax that is built into the price of consumer goods. Beyond this, employers must pay corporate taxes and make payments into government pension, unemployment, and other social welfare funds. The resulting tax burden is so heavy that Swedes have a special word for it, skattetrat, which means "tax tiredness." 

Nothing to do with hate , now that's a hoot coming from a party that is controlled by hate. all we have to do is look at your comments to see the hatred for the poor the sick and the old. Entitlement Nazi.

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On 2/16/2020 at 11:26 AM, JoeAverage said:

That didn't work out so well in Sweden:

 

Government spending currently equals about 60 percent of Sweden's gross domestic product (the value of all goods and services purchased in a year). U.S. government spending by contrast accounts for about 20 percent of the U.S. gross domestic product. The Swedish government's fastest growing spending areas are health services and old-age pensions. Furthermore, public employment has rocketed to account for about one-third of all jobs in Sweden. (In the United States, the government supplies less than 5 percent of all jobs.)

 

Today, an average Swedish working family pays about half its earned income in national and local taxes. Swedes also pay taxes on investment income. In addition, Sweden has a national 25 percent sales tax that is built into the price of consumer goods.

 

You can ignore the facts all you want.

 

Your Sweden bullcrap doesn't say anything, nor does it mean anything other then what another country does. If I remember correctly Sweden is one of  the most selected country to live in, in the world "Sweden named as best country in the world to move to and raise children" Your remark is so stupid .

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On 2/16/2020 at 2:59 PM, JoeAverage said:

Rolling Rock has stated on many occasions he prefer to be like Sweden, but then again, he is an honest progressive and understands taxes will have to go up significantly.

Idiot , its considered to be one of the best places to live in the whole world, God you are brain dead.

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On 2/16/2020 at 10:43 AM, JoeAverage said:

You are entitled to your opinion, albeit a lame one!

I think it is time to explain something to this clown, it is a stupid idea starting out thinking that there is something to your post because that turns out to be the long way around the issue , the best way is to start with realizing it is just a lie because that will always give you the shortest rout to the truth with you people

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28 minutes ago, jbander said:

Your hate party is driven by hate fact, (lies and distortions)  Haven't you notice what comes out of scum bags mouth , all lies/

 

26 minutes ago, jbander said:

You are a walking talking joke , considering that Fox Crap news and the Heritage foundation is the source for your hate party

 

25 minutes ago, jbander said:

Kiss off, you Nazi wannabees have no brains and are controlled by stupid. I can proof it , you believe what scum bag says

 

23 minutes ago, jbander said:

Nothing to do with hate , now that's a hoot coming from a party that is controlled by hate. all we have to do is look at your comments to see the hatred for the poor the sick and the old. Entitlement Nazi.

 

18 minutes ago, jbander said:

Your Sweden bullcrap doesn't say anything, nor does it mean anything other then what another country does. If I remember correctly Sweden is one of  the most selected country to live in, in the world "Sweden named as best country in the world to move to and raise children" Your remark is so stupid .

 

16 minutes ago, jbander said:

Idiot , its considered to be one of the best places to live in the whole world, God you are brain dead.

 

13 minutes ago, jbander said:

I think it is time to explain something to this clown, it is a stupid idea starting out thinking that there is something to your post because that turns out to be the long way around the issue , the best way is to start with realizing it is just a lie because that will always give you the shortest rout to the truth with you people

Fact: There currently is a shortage of Doctors and Nurses and an even larger projected shortage!

 

Fact: The projected cost of Bernie's Medicare for All is based off current Medicare reimbursement rates which is less than the cost of service.

 

Fact: Sweden taxes the poor and middle class heavily for their cradle to grave entitlements!

 

Those are just 3 facts of a list of many that you are free to educated yourself on and make a feeble attempt to refute.

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There’s a reason why conservatives *ALWAYS* reference Sweden when trying to squelch points about foreign economies.

 

Fact of the matter is, Sweden isn’t much different than the US now.  They have large pockets of socialism, & large pockets of capitalism.  Like the US, they’re a mixed economy.  
 

You have to first fully accept that if you’re anti-socialism, yet claim to be the patriot of all patriots... that taxes are socialism.  Period.  Full Stop.  You have to come to grips w/ this reality.  Any agency that collects money for society is “socialism”.  
 

But you won’t hear a complaint about roads, police, FD, libraries, public schools, social services for retirees, etc...

Truth is, one of this countries major cornerstones is (democratic) socialism.  
 

But its only mildly humorous & ironic to me to hear people bellyache over healthcare when we already have reams of (democratic) socialism throughout our economy.

 

I dunno... I guess some people just like to fight about something bcus they’re either bored or arguing politics provides meaning into some peoples lives.

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1 minute ago, jrock2310 said:

There’s a reason why conservatives *ALWAYS* reference Sweden when trying to squelch points about foreign economies.

 

Fact of the matter is, Sweden isn’t much different than the US now.  They have large pockets of socialism, & large pockets of capitalism.  Like the US, they’re a mixed economy.  
 

You have to first fully accept that if you’re anti-socialism, yet claim to be the patriot of all patriots... that taxes are socialism.  Period.  Full Stop.  You have to come to grips w/ this reality.  Any agency that collects money for society is “socialism”.  
 

But you won’t hear a complaint about roads, police, FD, libraries, public schools, social services for retirees, etc...

Truth is, one of this countries major cornerstones is (democratic) socialism.  
 

But its only mildly humorous & ironic to me to hear people bellyache over healthcare when we already have reams of (democratic) socialism throughout our economy.

 

I dunno... I guess some people just like to fight about something bcus they’re either bored or arguing politics provides meaning into some peoples lives.

Good God people , you don't get your own definition of Socialism it already has one and that definition it proves totally that there is no communism or socialism in this country nor would there ever be. Your definition says the socialism was created way over 2500 years ago. NOT!

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On 2/13/2020 at 11:48 AM, personreal said:

 

 

Well well well I say this crap is coming directly from the Chief liar and his associate liars which are scattered throughout the USA including this chit chat board.

 

It's all phoney as a 3 dollar bill. 

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37 minutes ago, jbander said:

Good God people , you don't get your own definition of Socialism it already has one and that definition it proves totally that there is no communism or socialism in this country nor would there ever be. Your definition says the socialism was created way over 2500 years ago. NOT!

socialism
[ˈsōSHəˌlizəm]
 
NOUN
  1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
     
    [Referencing taxes as socialism]

    - Taxes are levied by gov’t onto citizens.  
     
    - There are a dozen form of taxes levied on to citizens.
     
    - There are penalties imposed on citizens for their negligence.
     
    - Those taxes levied onto citizens are imposed & enforced by the gov’t.
     

     

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14 minutes ago, jrock2310 said:
socialism
[ˈsōSHəˌlizəm]
 
NOUN
  1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
     
    [Referencing taxes as socialism]

    - Taxes are levied by gov’t onto citizens.  
     
    - There are a dozen form of taxes levied on to citizens.
     
    - There are penalties imposed on citizens for their negligence.
     
    - Those taxes levied onto citizens are imposed & enforced by the gov’t.
     

     

All you did is show the world how stupid your remark is , that is the definition. Community is written in multiple way, People, government, social, state. Answer this now , when was the last time someone in this country said , "you know I think it would be a good idea if government took over ownership of all business and was charges with the sale of all their product and take away all private ownership of all property . Never happened and it never will, Your remark is stupid as all your red neck remarks about Me my political party or my politicians being commies or socialist. Probably the most stupid comment found every day on these forums.  The one issue that can't be gotten around for Communism and socialism to exist is the means of production being owned by the state, and if that isn't there , there is no communism or socialism. Red neck commie crap!!!!!!!!

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27 minutes ago, jrock2310 said:
socialism
[ˈsōSHəˌlizəm]
 
NOUN
  1. a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
     
    [Referencing taxes as socialism]

    - Taxes are levied by gov’t onto citizens.  
     
    - There are a dozen form of taxes levied on to citizens.
     
    - There are penalties imposed on citizens for their negligence.
     
    - Those taxes levied onto citizens are imposed & enforced by the gov’t.
     

     

Oh your tax bullcrap is nonsense also , You are trying to tell everyone that communism and socialism started 3000 years ago.

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1 hour ago, jrock2310 said:

There’s a reason why conservatives *ALWAYS* reference Sweden when trying to squelch points about foreign economies.

 

Fact of the matter is, Sweden isn’t much different than the US now.  They have large pockets of socialism, & large pockets of capitalism.  Like the US, they’re a mixed economy.

 

Sweden is vastly different than the U.S.  It's a Nordic country with a population smaller than North Carolina.  The list of significant differences could go on for pages.

 

1 hour ago, jrock2310 said:

You have to first fully accept that if you’re anti-socialism, yet claim to be the patriot of all patriots... that taxes are socialism.  Period.  Full Stop.  You have to come to grips w/ this reality.  Any agency that collects money for society is “socialism”.

 

The hard-core conservatives understand this, which is why they tend to just oppose taxation and government in general across the board.

 

1 hour ago, jrock2310 said:

But you won’t hear a complaint about roads, police, FD, libraries, public schools, social services for retirees, etc...

 

Having a few absolutely core services doesn't really rise to the level of full blown socialism.  The bigger deal is whether they want people whose labor no one wants to buy should suffer and whether health care should be provided to the elderly and poor, or not and they should be left to fend for themselves and survive on their own if they can.  Usually hard core conservatives have a hard time with these issues.  They want to complain about government without really wanting government to abandon the cause.

 

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1 hour ago, jrock2310 said:

There’s a reason why conservatives *ALWAYS* reference Sweden when trying to squelch points about foreign economies.

Maybe people on the left should stop saying "we should be like Sweden", it gives some of us plenty of ammunition cause their tax rates are pretty damn high.

 

Among OECD countries, Sweden had the 5thhighest tax burden in 2016 as measured by total tax revenue as a percentage of GDP. The Swedish government collects 44.1 percent of GDP in tax revenues, nearly 10 percentage points higher than the 34.3 percent OECD average.Nov 26, 2018

 

 

2 hours ago, jrock2310 said:

I dunno... I guess some people just like to fight about something bcus they’re either bored or arguing politics provides meaning into some peoples lives.

For some of us it's about keeping more of what we earn, not less.

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1 hour ago, jbander said:

Oh your tax bullcrap is nonsense also , You are trying to tell everyone that communism and socialism started 3000 years ago.

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2 hours ago, Neomalthusian said:

 

Sweden is vastly different than the U.S.  It's a Nordic country with a population smaller than North Carolina.  The list of significant differences could go on for pages.

Precisely why its a bad analogy to compare any nation economic function to another.  It’s also why its laughable when pushed into the corner, republicans start yelling VENUZUELA!! VENUZUELA!! 
 

They can’t help but to try and associate one countries cons whilst upholding another's pros.

 

That’s bcus, regardless of title, America is a melting pot. 

 

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The hard-core conservatives understand this, which is why they tend to just oppose taxation and government in general across the board.

But they don’t actually.  They merely oppose taxes/gov’t they don’t like.   They like to call their taxes “essential” taxes.  But healthcare... that’s not a priority. 

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Having a few absolutely core services doesn't really rise to the level of full blown socialism.

Correct.  Bcus we’re not and never have been a “full blown” socialistic country.  
 

See “essential” tax 👆
 

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The bigger deal is whether they want people whose labor no one wants to buy should suffer and whether health care should be provided to the elderly and poor, or not and they should be left to fend for themselves and survive on their own if they can.  Usually hard core conservatives have a hard time with these issues.  They want to complain about government without really wanting government to abandon the cause.

 

The problem I generally have w/ the term “conservative” is how often self-serving it is.  Conservatism, in proper execution, can be a healthy/wealthy exercise.  Problem is, too many people have their own world view of what all that entails.  Now the term has been convoluted & pounded into dust its almost unrecognizable.

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1 hour ago, JoeAverage said:

Maybe people on the left should stop saying "we should be like Sweden", it gives some of us plenty of ammunition cause their tax rates are pretty damn high.

Sweden is considered to be a developed country. In fact, Sweden is considered to be one of the most highly developed post-industrial societies in the world. According to the IMF, Sweden has a gross domestic product (GDP per capita of $46,420 as of 2016. It is ranked number 17 in the world in terms of GDP per capita. Aug 2 2019

 

Unemployment is low and the economy strong. Public-private partnership is at the core of "the Swedish model", which was developed by the Social Democrats, who governed for most of the 70 years up to 2006.

This mixed economy traditionally featured centralised wage negotiations and a heavily tax-subsidised social security network. The Swedes still enjoy an advanced welfare system, and their standard of living and life expectancy are among the highest in the world.
 

What a shyt hole.

1 hour ago, JoeAverage said:

 

Among OECD countries, Sweden had the 5thhighest tax burden in 2016 as measured by total tax revenue as a percentage of GDP. The Swedish government collects 44.1 percent of GDP in tax revenues, nearly 10 percentage points higher than the 34.3 percent OECD average.Nov 26, 2018

See above 👆

1 hour ago, JoeAverage said:

 

 

For some of us it's about keeping more of what we earn, not less.

I like to keep more of what I make.  However, *WHERE* our money goes tends to be the snag.  
 

I’m quite conservative myself when it comes to saving money on programs:  military spending...

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Ahhhh... but its a “conservative”  

favorite so its not seen as wasteful to buy dozens of black helicopter we don’t use, thats sit in hangers somewhere collecting dust.

 

Conservatives are often anti-regulations, which is a dangerous being that corporations w/ no oversight are more susceptible to fraud or unhealthy workplace practices.  Which often times leads to abused or oppressed labor.

 

Republicans are “pro” tax cuts ... but what does that really mean?   More often than not, it means tax cuts for the wealthy.  65% of Americans earn less than $60k a year.

trumps latest tax cuts benefited those who earn $75k+ a yr.   The more you earned, the more it helped.  So it only marginally helped those in the $75k range.  Who it Rrrrrrreally helped where the elites.  The top 1%.  The people who consume most of our nations wealth to begin with.

 

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6 hours ago, Ranb said:

When this is the most thought you can put into the debate, then you're on the losing side.  When you make a claim, you support it with a link, not the other way around.  I'm willing to admit that I'm wrong, but not to a person who insults another forum member when they ask for evidence to support the claim.

Common knowledge, retard. I shouldn’t have to re-invent the wheel because your an indoctrinated, uneducated progtard. 

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7 hours ago, JoeAverage said:

Maybe people on the left should stop saying "we should be like Sweden", it gives some of us plenty of ammunition cause their tax rates are pretty damn high.

 

Among OECD countries, Sweden had the 5thhighest tax burden in 2016 as measured by total tax revenue as a percentage of GDP. The Swedish government collects 44.1 percent of GDP in tax revenues, nearly 10 percentage points higher than the 34.3 percent OECD average.Nov 26, 2018

 

 

For some of us it's about keeping more of what we earn, not less.

No what they do is use Sweden as a example showing everyone what idiots you people are.  There quality of life , life expectancy , care for the old the sick and the poor. Is supreme.  So should we look at what the people in that country feel about living in Sweden, sorry but again that would show what idiots you people are. The red neck brain stem can't get past taxes as their only thing that decides the quality of life, Here you go Einstein ,Civilization is in direct relationship to tax level.  Your like responding to a brick. but your easy and sometimes I don't mind going the easy route,

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8 hours ago, Neomalthusian said:

 

Sweden is vastly different than the U.S.  It's a Nordic country with a population smaller than North Carolina.  The list of significant differences could go on for pages.

 

 

The hard-core conservatives understand this, which is why they tend to just oppose taxation and government in general across the board.

 

 

Having a few absolutely core services doesn't really rise to the level of full blown socialism.  The bigger deal is whether they want people whose labor no one wants to buy should suffer and whether health care should be provided to the elderly and poor, or not and they should be left to fend for themselves and survive on their own if they can.  Usually hard core conservatives have a hard time with these issues.  They want to complain about government without really wanting government to abandon the cause.

 

Your a true red neck idiot , taxes have been around for 3000 years but socialism was first adressed in this form we have now with the The Communist Manifesto which was written by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in 1848. Seems to be a problem their big guy.

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