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2 minutes ago, jbander said:

 I think I've made my point , your bullcrap has put you backed into a corner, that's what happens when you build your point with lies/ Sorry buddy , you lose/

You are entitled to your opinion, albeit a lame one!

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5 minutes ago, JoeAverage said:

I deal in reality, it has nothing to do with hate.

 

This took all of 5 seconds to Google, learn what the Democratic Socialist have done to Sweden.

 

While there is little doubt that the Swedish people have benefited from the "Swedish Model," they also have one of the heaviest tax burdens in the world. Today, an average Swedish working family pays about half its earned income in national and local taxes. Swedes also pay taxes on investment income. In addition, Sweden has a national 25 percent sales tax that is built into the price of consumer goods. Beyond this, employers must pay corporate taxes and make payments into government pension, unemployment, and other social welfare funds. The resulting tax burden is so heavy that Swedes have a special word for it, skattetrat, which means "tax tiredness." 

I always love this part, the stupid test, there is no socialism or communism in this country and I can prove it so simply even you can understand. Tell me when was the last time someone came up to you and said , you know it would be a good Idea if government takes over all businesses in this country and also being charged with the selling of all their products. You are a idiot.

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3 minutes ago, JoeAverage said:

I deal in reality, it has nothing to do with hate.

 

This took all of 5 seconds to Google, learn what the Democratic Socialist have done to Sweden.

 

While there is little doubt that the Swedish people have benefited from the "Swedish Model," they also have one of the heaviest tax burdens in the world. Today, an average Swedish working family pays about half its earned income in national and local taxes. Swedes also pay taxes on investment income. In addition, Sweden has a national 25 percent sales tax that is built into the price of consumer goods. Beyond this, employers must pay corporate taxes and make payments into government pension, unemployment, and other social welfare funds. The resulting tax burden is so heavy that Swedes have a special word for it, skattetrat, which means "tax tiredness." 

^^^^ The Bern Outs vision for America!

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The hate party's way -There is a agreement  between healthcare and the insurance industry , the insurance industry loves it when healthcare raises prices , they then are forced ,Oh my God, to raise their prices and of course they hate to do that. The people on the right are are first stupid , and second always going against their best interest. They are robots for corporate America and the wealthy, total control to these puppets.

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3 minutes ago, jbander said:

I always love this part, the stupid test, there is no socialism or communism in this country

There isn't any in Sweden either yet the Bern Outs want to tax Americans just like Sweden!

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19 minutes ago, JoeAverage said:

There isn't any in Sweden either yet the Bern Outs want to tax Americans just like Sweden!

Everyone who can understand numbers, don't care if they pay for healthcare out of pocket or insurance or taxes , you pick the one that save the most money and that is single payer/so Taxes are the way to go.  You swimming upstream ace.

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1 minute ago, jbander said:

Everyone who can understand numbers, don't care if they pay for healthcare out of pocket or insurance or taxes , you pick the one that save the most money and that is single payer/so Taxes are the way to go.  You swimming upstream ace.

That didn't work out so well in Sweden:

 

Government spending currently equals about 60 percent of Sweden's gross domestic product (the value of all goods and services purchased in a year). U.S. government spending by contrast accounts for about 20 percent of the U.S. gross domestic product. The Swedish government's fastest growing spending areas are health services and old-age pensions. Furthermore, public employment has rocketed to account for about one-third of all jobs in Sweden. (In the United States, the government supplies less than 5 percent of all jobs.)

 

Today, an average Swedish working family pays about half its earned income in national and local taxes. Swedes also pay taxes on investment income. In addition, Sweden has a national 25 percent sales tax that is built into the price of consumer goods.

 

You can ignore the facts all you want.

 

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47 minutes ago, JoeAverage said:

That didn't work out so well in Sweden:

 

Government spending currently equals about 60 percent of Sweden's gross domestic product (the value of all goods and services purchased in a year). U.S. government spending by contrast accounts for about 20 percent of the U.S. gross domestic product. The Swedish government's fastest growing spending areas are health services and old-age pensions. Furthermore, public employment has rocketed to account for about one-third of all jobs in Sweden. (In the United States, the government supplies less than 5 percent of all jobs.)

 

Today, an average Swedish working family pays about half its earned income in national and local taxes. Swedes also pay taxes on investment income. In addition, Sweden has a national 25 percent sales tax that is built into the price of consumer goods.

 

You can ignore the facts all you want.

 

What a idiot who in the hell cares about Sweden. what a idiot. You are running a losing battle. You know shhit other then what your told to think.

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47 minutes ago, JoeAverage said:

I did, and it is private health insurance.

and you are paying a arm and leg for it.

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On 2/14/2020 at 9:39 PM, merrill said:
 
 

Single-Payer/Medicare for All

Proposed Reforms and “Public Option”

General

Everyone insured by a single, publicly-funded agency. Health services performed largely by private, non-profit providers who will remain independent from the government (16).

Individuals and employers must purchase insurance. A national “health exchange,” modest subsidies, and a weak “public option” starting in 2013. (17) Public option estimated to cover less than 4% of the population.(19)

Financing

Funded by: 1. existing federal and state funds dedicated to Medicare, Medicaid, SCHIP, VA, and public health programs; and 2. payroll taxes estimated at 4.5%-9% for employers and 2%-3.3% for employees. Medical bills are eliminated.

Financed by mandates on individuals and employers to purchase private health insurance. Penalty of either $1,000 (4), or 2.5% of your income (18) for being uninsured. May include additional taxes on health benefits (5), plus co-pays, deductibles, and premiums.

Universal Coverage

Guaranteed coverage for all residents from birth to death with comprehensive benefits (2).

Over 20 million will remain uninsured because of financial barriers to coverage (1). Coverage and carrier will likely change as people change jobs, become unemployed, etc. Disparities will still occur based on age and income.

What!s Covered?

Covers all medically necessary services, including primary care, inpatient care, outpatient care, emergency care, prescription drugs, durable medical equipment, long-term care, palliative care, mental health services, dentistry, eye care, chiropractic, and substance abuse treatment (2).

Nothing for those who remain uninsured. Proposed “public option” excludes many services, such as adult vision, dental, and long-term care (3).

Affordability

95% of Americans will pay less for healthcare, with no co-pays, deductibles or premiums (6). No more bankruptcies due to healthcare costs.

Expands Medicaid to families with incomes up to 133-150% of federal poverty level. Includes caps on out-of-pocket expenses (for covered services only), and subsidies to families with income up to four times the poverty level. Does not eliminate possibility of severe financial hardship.

Cost Controls

Saves over $400 billion a year by reducing administrative waste, global budgeting with hospitals and providers, and bulk purchase of drugs and medical supplies. (7)

With 1,300 insurers still in the mix, 30 cents of every dollar towards healthcare will still go to administrative costs, profits, and advertising (7).

Estimated to cost taxpayers at least $600 billion over 10 years (1) over and above current national health expenditures.

Similar legislation in Massachusetts promised savings, but healthcare costs continue to rise 10% a year (12).

Choice

Patients have their choice of physicians, providers, hospitals, clinics, and practices.

All medical decisions made only by the patient and his/her chosen healthcare professional.

People not eligible to choose “public option” will be forced to stay with their employer-provided insurance even if they don!t prefer it (11). Amount of coverage you are eligible for will be determined by your ability to pay.

Choices will be limited to “in-network” practitioners as they are today. Insurance companies will have a say in treatment (15). Affordability may force people to purchase limited coverage.

Equity

Same comprehensive coverage for everyone, regardless of age, income, health status, marital status, employment status, gender, race or location.

Most comprehensive coverage for those with ability to pay.

Feasibility

HR 676 has 86 cosponsors in the House as of 8/3/09 (8). Polls show 60% of Americans and 59% of physicians prefer a program similar to Medicare that covers everyone (9,10).

No bipartisan support for a “public option” (13). Powerful insurance companies will use their influence to stay in the mix (14).

Bottom Line

Simple, economical, and humane.

Does not solve our healthcare crisis.

Healthcare-NOW! - www.Healthcare-Now.org - info@healthcare-now.org - Progressive Democrats of America - www.PDAmerica.org

 

NO ONE HAS ASKED FOR GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE I WANT SINGLE PAYER INSURANCE FOR MY TAX DOLLARS.

 

I DON'T WANT MY TAX DOLLARS PAYING FOR:

 

- PREFERENTIAL TAX CODES FOR THE WEALTHY

- NOT FOR INVADING OTHER COUNTRIES 

- NOT FOR WORLD WIDE OIL CONTROL

- NOT FOR CORPORATE WELFARE

- NOT FOR TRUMP DEFENSE LAWYERS

- NOT FOR A WALL 

- NOT FOR SPLITTING UP FAMILIES AND LOCKING UP CHILDREN

- NOT FOR PRIVATIZATION FUNDING AND GUARANTEED PRIVATIZATION PROFITS

- NOT FOR SHORING UP THE MEDICAL INSURANCE INDUSTRY

- NOT FOR BAILING OUT CORRUPT FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS

- ETC ETC ETC

 

IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THE USA GOVERNMENT COULD WELL AFFORD SINGLE PAYER INSURANCE FOR ALL OF WE TAXPAYERS SIMPLY BY

ELIMINATING ALL OF THE ABOVE = RESPONSIBLY MANAGING THE PEOPLE'S TAX DOLLARS.

 

Additionally Single Payer reduces administrative costs by 30% .......... that is sweet.

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2 minutes ago, merrill said:

 

NO ONE HAS ASKED FOR GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE I WANT SINGLE PAYER INSURANCE FOR MY TAX DOLLARS.

 

I DON'T WANT MY TAX DOLLARS PAYING FOR:

 

- PREFERENTIAL TAX CODES FOR THE WEALTHY

- NOT FOR INVADING OTHER COUNTRIES 

- NOT FOR WORLD WIDE OIL CONTROL

- NOT FOR CORPORATE WELFARE

- NOT FOR TRUMP DEFENSE LAWYERS

- NOT FOR A WALL 

- NOT FOR SPLITTING UP FAMILIES AND LOCKING UP CHILDREN

- NOT FOR PRIVATIZATION FUNDING AND GUARANTEED PRIVATIZATION PROFITS

- NOT FOR SHORING UP THE MEDICAL INSURANCE INDUSTRY

- NOT FOR BAILING OUT CORRUPT FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS

- ETC ETC ETC

 

IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THE USA GOVERNMENT COULD WELL AFFORD SINGLE PAYER INSURANCE FOR ALL OF WE TAXPAYERS SIMPLY BY

ELIMINATING ALL OF THE ABOVE = RESPONSIBLY MANAGING THE PEOPLE'S TAX DOLLARS.

 

Additionally Single Payer reduces administrative costs by 30% .......... that is sweet.

^^^^ SPAM IT AGAIN MERRILL!

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USA Single Payer vs Canadian system are two very different animals.  USA single payer will never be a Canadian clone nor a German clone nor a Sweden clone = the medical insurance industry puts out a vast amount of misinformation what are commonly known as lies. This industry has been known to blow $1,000,000 health care $$$$$ a day on misinformation which indicates a lack of discipline and reckless spending of health care $$$$$.

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The thread title is nothing but a lie and indicates the author has done zero homework.

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19 minutes ago, JoeAverage said:

You live under a rock? The Bern Outs want to be just like Sweden.

Stupid again , no argument so distort or lie , no one here said anything like being like Sweden in any way, your a losers loser. You have been eaten up and spit out.

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Your red neck hate group thinking isn't getting you anywhere today. maybe come back another time and try against different people , this group has made a fool out of you.

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2 hours ago, jbander said:

no one here said anything like being like Sweden in any way

Rolling Rock has stated on many occasions he prefer to be like Sweden, but then again, he is an honest progressive and understands taxes will have to go up significantly.

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11 minutes ago, JoeAverage said:

Rolling Rock has stated on many occasions he prefer to be like Sweden, but then again, he is an honest progressive and understands taxes will have to go up significantly.

Who in the hell is arguing about not having a increase in tax's  , the point and in fact the only point, is it will save every man women and child large amounts of money. You are getting nowhere for one simple reason, other then bullcrap or total distortions which your hate group operates on 100%, you have nothing.

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A best option on taxes is to convince legislators to take from what is already in the cookie jars which could occur once Single Payer is in place. There are multiple cookie jars to take from.

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20 minutes ago, JoeAverage said:

Rolling Rock has stated on many occasions he prefer to be like Sweden, but then again, he is an honest progressive and understands taxes will have to go up significantly.

Here's stupid again , so one person thinks we should be like Sweden so all democrats now want to be like Sweden, these people are pitiful/ They actually think this is somehow supporting their goofy ideas.

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6 hours ago, JoeAverage said:

44 million Americans are uninsured, and eight out of ten of these are workers or their dependents. Why is being uninsured a problem? About 44 million people in this country have no health insurance, and another 38 million have inadequate health insurance.

 

Add another 20-30 million illegal aliens to the 44 million and 38 million under insured.

 

100-110 million MORE covered under MFA.

Yup,  the supply and demand concept is a little too much for their pointy little heads!

 

Houston, we have a problem! These projections below do not include another 100 million people!

 

Nursing Shortage

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ Employment Projections 2016-2026, Registered Nursing (RN) is listed among the top occupations in terms of job growth through 2026. The RN workforce is expected to grow from 2.9 million in 2016 to 3.4 million in 2026, an increase of 438,100 or 15%. The Bureau also projects the need for an additional 203,700 new RNs each year through 2026 to fill newly created positions and to replace retiring nurses.

 

 

New Findings Confirm Predictions on Physician Shortage

April 23, 2019

The United States will see a shortage of up to nearly 122,000 physicians by 2032 as demand for physicians continues to grow faster than supply, according to new data published today by the AAMC (Association of American Medical Colleges). The projected shortfall is similar to past projections and ranges from 46,900 to 121,900 physicians.

“The nation’s population is growing and aging, and as we continue to address population health goals like reducing obesity and tobacco use, more Americans will live longer lives. These factors and others mean we will need more doctors,” said AAMC President and CEO Darrell G. Kirch, MD. “Even with new ways of delivering care, America’s doctor shortage continues to remain real and significant.”

Conducted by the Life Science division of IHS Markit, a global information company, this fifth annual study, The Complexities of Physician Supply and Demand: Projections from 2017-2032, includes scenarios that have been refined and updated based on input from stakeholders, and new modeling  that examines the impact of emerging health care delivery trends on physician shortages. 

Key findings from the report include:

Shortage of nurses and other clinicians too. Huge shortage. 

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On 2/15/2020 at 10:04 PM, DeepBreath said:

I doubt other countries are a stringent on licensing requirements as we are. I also know RN’s don’t get paid anywhere near what they get paid here, as a result. 

Just as I thought, a simple questioning of your claim results in only more unsupported claims and insults.  You're not impressing anyone here.

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On 2/15/2020 at 10:04 PM, DeepBreath said:

I doubt other countries are a stringent on licensing requirements as we are. I also know RN’s don’t get paid anywhere near what they get paid here, as a result. 

double post

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1 minute ago, Ranb said:

Just as I thought, a simple questioning of your claim results in only more unsupported claims and insults.  You're not impressing anyone here.

 

1 minute ago, Ranb said:

double post

Listen, stupid. I have a BSN and a licensed RN in multiple states. 
 

A BSN encompasses studying and researching healthcare from around the globe. That especially includes the differences in scope of practice of not only different states but also different countries within different models of healthcare systems. 
 

 

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