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9 hours ago, leftwinger said:

Sen. Markey says not holding Trump accountable gives future presidents ‘carte blanche’


Sen. Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.) argued Friday that if Republicans don’t hold Trump accountable, they will be setting a dangerous precedent for future presidents.

During a CNN interview, Markey cited the allegation that Trump withheld nearly $400 million in military aid to gain leverage for Ukraine to investigate Biden.

 

“If that’s not impeachable, than nothing is impeachable,” Markey said. “I mean, absolutely nothing, and no president can ever be held accountable. So ultimately this sets a precedent for the future.

 

“All presidents henceforth and forever, if the Republicans do not make Trump accountable, will have pretty much carte blanche, they’ll be able to do whatever they want because the standard of impeachability will have been absolutely eliminated.”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/impeachment-trial-live-updates/2020/01/24/bd12c85e-3e98-11ea-baca-eb7ace0a3455_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-bignews3_impeach-ticker%3Aprime-time%2Fpromo

 

9 hours ago, NeoConvict said:

The executive branch cannot obstruct Congress without a ruling from the judiciary. This article should not warrant any debate. 

Democrats abandoned their legal way to gather the evidence. That's not on Trump or the senate. That's on house democrats. 

 

THIS article will be LAUGHED out of the senate. 😂

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Just now, Olivaw said:

Notwithstanding you unfair accusation that I dismiss the law

 

I didn't accuse you of dismissing it, I asked if you did.

 

1 minute ago, Olivaw said:

make your case for how the law exonerates Trump

 

It doesn't "exonerate" Trump. It's a possible explanation for his actions. Let the evidence lead where it may. The issue is that the left doesn't even ACKNOWLEDGE the LAW he is obliged to follow to insure taxpayer's money isn't wasted on corruption.

 

3 minutes ago, Olivaw said:

Bear in mind that the legal barrier to aid had been met to the satisfaction of every department that investigated. 

 

In the Obungler Administration. Uh... there surely was no REASON for another President to look into THAT, was there?!?

 

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9 hours ago, leftwinger said:

Sen. Markey says not holding Trump accountable gives future presidents ‘carte blanche’


Sen. Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.) argued Friday that if Republicans don’t hold Trump accountable, they will be setting a dangerous precedent for future presidents.

During a CNN interview, Markey cited the allegation that Trump withheld nearly $400 million in military aid to gain leverage for Ukraine to investigate Biden.

 

“If that’s not impeachable, than nothing is impeachable,” Markey said. “I mean, absolutely nothing, and no president can ever be held accountable. So ultimately this sets a precedent for the future.

 

“All presidents henceforth and forever, if the Republicans do not make Trump accountable, will have pretty much carte blanche, they’ll be able to do whatever they want because the standard of impeachability will have been absolutely eliminated.”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/impeachment-trial-live-updates/2020/01/24/bd12c85e-3e98-11ea-baca-eb7ace0a3455_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-bignews3_impeach-ticker%3Aprime-time%2Fpromo

 

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  2. 10 times Trump may have obstructed justice, according to Mueller

    www.cbsnews.com/news/obstruction-of-justice-10...

    Jul 23, 2019 · 10 times Trump may have obstructed justice, according to Mueller. Editor's note: Former special counsel Robert Mueller is on Wednesday to discuss the findings of his report on Russian interference in the 2016 campaign. The following story was originally published on April 18, 2019, when the report was released. 

  3. Democrats announce articles of impeachment: Is Trump guilty ...

    www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/11/20/...

    Dec 10, 2019 · It’s incredibly important that we have this check on obstruction of justice because it goes to the integrity of our justice system, both within the courts and within the political process. 

    • Author: Sean Illing
  4. 10 Ways Trump Has Obstructed Justice - The New York Times

    www.nytimes.com/2018/01/29/opinion/trump...

    Jan 29, 2018 · The evidence that President Trump obstructed justice has come in dribs and drabs. But when that evidence is compiled in one place, I think it becomes overwhelming. My column this morning is organized around a list of 10 instances when Trump has tried to interfere with the federal investigation into his campaign’s... 

  5. How many ways will Trump obstruct justice before Republicans ...

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    Jan 29, 2018 · How many ways will Trump obstruct justice before Republicans admit he's hellbent on obstruction? ... How many more ways does Trump have to obstruct justice before they admit that he's deliberately ... 

  6. 19 Times President Trump May Have Obstructed Justice

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    “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. ... 19 Times President Trump May Have Obstructed Justice. ... House Republicans Want to Add Some Crazy to TrumpTrial ... 

    • Author: Margaret Hartmann
  7. If Trump’s own advisers think he has obstructed justice, how ...

    www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/...

    Jan 28, 2018 · If Trump’s own advisers think he has obstructed justice, how could Republicansdecide otherwise? By . ... at least two Trump advisers likely think Trump obstructed justice. 

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Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s presentation last week, although it contained no new information, has renewed pressure to impeach President Trump. You can debate whether impeachment makes sense politically, but there is no doubt that it is justified legally and morally. There is already more than enough evidence for at least seven articles of impeachment – four more than President Richard M. Nixon would have faced had he not resigned in 1974 .

 

Article 1. Donald J. Trump, in violation of his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, and to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has obstructed the administration of justice:

1. He attempted to fire Mueller. The Mueller report found “substantial evidence . . . that the President’s attempts to remove the Special Counsel were linked to the Special Counsel’s oversight of investigations that involved the President’s conduct.”

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2. Trump attempted to curtail Mueller’s investigation. Mueller found “that the President’s effort to have [Attorney General Jeff] Sessions limit the scope of the Special Counsel’s investigation to future election interference was intended to prevent further investigative scrutiny of the President’s and his campaign’s conduct.”

 

3. He ordered White House counsel Donald McGahn to falsify the record to conceal his attempts to fire Mueller. Mueller found that Trump “acted . . . in order to deflect or prevent further scrutiny of the President’s conduct.”

 

4. He fired FBI Director James B. Comey, Mueller found, because of “Comey’s unwillingness to publicly state that the President was not personally under investigation.” Moreover, Mueller wrote, by firing Comey “the President wanted to protect himself from an investigation into his campaign,” because he knew “that a thorough FBI investigation would uncover facts about the campaign and the President personally that the President could have understood to be crimes or that would give rise to personal and political concerns.” Trump showed awareness of guilt by advancing “a pretextual reason to the press and the public for Comey’s termination.”

 

5. He tried to dissuade Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen, Roger Stone, and other witnesses from cooperating with the government. The non-cooperation of Manafort and Stone, in particular, made it impossible to establish the exact nature of the relationship between the Trump campaign and the Russian government.

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Article II. Donald J. Trump, in violation of his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, and to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, failed to defend America from foreign election interference. As a candidate, he welcomed Russian intervention in the 2016 election and refused to notify the proper authorities of contacts between his campaign and representatives of Russia and WikiLeaks.

 

As president, he denied that the Russian attack had even occurred, accepted Russian President Vladimir Putin’s false denials of responsibility, and showed no interest in determining the full scale of the attack. He repeatedly called the Russia investigation a “hoax” and a “witch hunt” even though Mueller determined “that there were multiple, systematic efforts to interfere in our election” and that “the matters we investigated were of paramount importance.”

 

Article III. Donald J. Trump, in violation of his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, and to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, attempted to investigate and prosecute his political opponents. On three occasions, Mueller found, Trump asked the Justice Department to initiate investigations of Hillary Clinton. More recently, Trump and his attorney, Rudolph W. Giuliani, attempted to initiate an investigation of Joe Biden.

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6 minutes ago, SixShooter said:

 

I didn't accuse you of dismissing it, I asked if you did.


I don’t. It’s a good law. 
 

Quote

 

It doesn't "exonerate" Trump. It's a possible explanation for his actions. Let the evidence lead where it may. The issue is that the left doesn't even ACKNOWLEDGE the LAW he is obliged to follow to insure taxpayer's money isn't wasted on corruption.

 

 

If this was the case, don’t you wonder why Trump forbad witnesses from testifying to it before congress? 

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Article IV. Donald J. Trump, in violation of his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, and to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, failed to produce papers and testimony as duly directed by Congress. Trump obstructed at least 20 inquiries relating to his taxes, business records, the Mueller investigation and other matters.

 

Article V. Donald J. Trump, in violation of federal campaign finance laws, conspired with his attorney Michael Cohen in order to conceal alleged relationships with adult film actress Stormy Daniels and Playboy playmate Karen McDougal before the 2016 election.

 

Article VI. Donald J. Trump, in violation of his oath to uphold Article 1, section 9 of the Constitution (“No money shall be drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law”), attempted to misuse his emergency powers to spend funds on a border wall that Congress did not appropriate.

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Article VII. Donald J. Trump, in violation of his oath to uphold the emoluments clauses (which forbid the president from accepting benefits from foreign and state governments without the permission of Congress) retains ownership of a global business empire which allows him to benefit from dealings with foreign and state governments.

 

That Trump is guilty of these offenses – and more – is not necessarily an argument for moving forward with impeachment.  

 

But don’t pretend, as do 249 out of 250 Republican members of Congress, that there is insufficient evidence to even open an impeachment inquiry.

 

Trump has committed more criminal and unconstitutional conduct than any previous president in U.S. history. If they refuse to impeach him, members of Congress will violate their own oaths to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

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47 minutes ago, merrill said:

 

  1.  
  2. 10 times Trump may have obstructed justice, according to Mueller

    www.cbsnews.com/news/obstruction-of-justice-10...

    Jul 23, 2019 · 10 times Trump may have obstructed justice, according to Mueller. Editor's note: Former special counsel Robert Mueller is on Wednesday to discuss the findings of his report on Russian interference in the 2016 campaign. The following story was originally published on April 18, 2019, when the report was released. 

  3. Democrats announce articles of impeachment: Is Trump guilty ...

    www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/11/20/...

    Dec 10, 2019 · It’s incredibly important that we have this check on obstruction of justice because it goes to the integrity of our justice system, both within the courts and within the political process. 

    • Author: Sean Illing
  4. 10 Ways Trump Has Obstructed Justice - The New York Times

    www.nytimes.com/2018/01/29/opinion/trump...

    Jan 29, 2018 · The evidence that President Trump obstructed justice has come in dribs and drabs. But when that evidence is compiled in one place, I think it becomes overwhelming. My column this morning is organized around a list of 10 instances when Trump has tried to interfere with the federal investigation into his campaign’s... 

  5. How many ways will Trump obstruct justice before Republicans ...

    www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/1/29/1736906/-How...

    Jan 29, 2018 · How many ways will Trump obstruct justice before Republicans admit he's hellbent on obstruction? ... How many more ways does Trump have to obstruct justice before they admit that he's deliberately ... 

  6. 19 Times President Trump May Have Obstructed Justice

    nymag.com/.../times-president-trump-obstructed-justice.html

    “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. ... 19 Times President Trump May Have Obstructed Justice. ... House Republicans Want to Add Some Crazy to TrumpTrial ... 

    • Author: Margaret Hartmann
  7. If Trump’s own advisers think he has obstructed justice, how ...

    www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/...

    Jan 28, 2018 · If Trump’s own advisers think he has obstructed justice, how could Republicansdecide otherwise? By . ... at least two Trump advisers likely think Trump obstructed justice. 

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46 minutes ago, merrill said:

Republican Mueller did the hard work! 7 Articles of Impeachment

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/06/03/here-are-seven-reasons-trump-should-be-impeached/

 

 

45 minutes ago, merrill said:

Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s presentation last week, although it contained no new information, has renewed pressure to impeach President Trump. You can debate whether impeachment makes sense politically, but there is no doubt that it is justified legally and morally. There is already more than enough evidence for at least seven articles of impeachment – four more than President Richard M. Nixon would have faced had he not resigned in 1974 .

 

Article 1. Donald J. Trump, in violation of his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, and to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has obstructed the administration of justice:

1. He attempted to fire Mueller. The Mueller report found “substantial evidence . . . that the President’s attempts to remove the Special Counsel were linked to the Special Counsel’s oversight of investigations that involved the President’s conduct.”

 

44 minutes ago, merrill said:

2. Trump attempted to curtail Mueller’s investigation. Mueller found “that the President’s effort to have [Attorney General Jeff] Sessions limit the scope of the Special Counsel’s investigation to future election interference was intended to prevent further investigative scrutiny of the President’s and his campaign’s conduct.”

 

3. He ordered White House counsel Donald McGahn to falsify the record to conceal his attempts to fire Mueller. Mueller found that Trump “acted . . . in order to deflect or prevent further scrutiny of the President’s conduct.”

 

4. He fired FBI Director James B. Comey, Mueller found, because of “Comey’s unwillingness to publicly state that the President was not personally under investigation.” Moreover, Mueller wrote, by firing Comey “the President wanted to protect himself from an investigation into his campaign,” because he knew “that a thorough FBI investigation would uncover facts about the campaign and the President personally that the President could have understood to be crimes or that would give rise to personal and political concerns.” Trump showed awareness of guilt by advancing “a pretextual reason to the press and the public for Comey’s termination.”

 

5. He tried to dissuade Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen, Roger Stone, and other witnesses from cooperating with the government. The non-cooperation of Manafort and Stone, in particular, made it impossible to establish the exact nature of the relationship between the Trump campaign and the Russian government.

 

42 minutes ago, merrill said:

Article II. Donald J. Trump, in violation of his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, and to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, failed to defend America from foreign election interference. As a candidate, he welcomed Russian intervention in the 2016 election and refused to notify the proper authorities of contacts between his campaign and representatives of Russia and WikiLeaks.

 

As president, he denied that the Russian attack had even occurred, accepted Russian President Vladimir Putin’s false denials of responsibility, and showed no interest in determining the full scale of the attack. He repeatedly called the Russia investigation a “hoax” and a “witch hunt” even though Mueller determined “that there were multiple, systematic efforts to interfere in our election” and that “the matters we investigated were of paramount importance.”

 

Article III. Donald J. Trump, in violation of his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, and to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, attempted to investigate and prosecute his political opponents. On three occasions, Mueller found, Trump asked the Justice Department to initiate investigations of Hillary Clinton. More recently, Trump and his attorney, Rudolph W. Giuliani, attempted to initiate an investigation of Joe Biden.

 

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42 minutes ago, Olivaw said:

If this was the case, don’t you wonder why Trump forbad witnesses from testifying to it before congress? 

 

Um, Republican witnesses, and Republican questions, were barred from the investigation. Now the Dems want the Senate to do the job the House shied from. There's a reason for that, doesn't their partisanship bother you?

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51 minutes ago, merrill said:

 

  1.  
  2. 10 times Trump may have obstructed justice, according to Mueller

    www.cbsnews.com/news/obstruction-of-justice-10...

    Jul 23, 2019 · 10 times Trump may have obstructed justice, according to Mueller. Editor's note: Former special counsel Robert Mueller is on Wednesday to discuss the findings of his report on Russian interference in the 2016 campaign. The following story was originally published on April 18, 2019, when the report was released. 

  3. Democrats announce articles of impeachment: Is Trump guilty ...

    www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/11/20/...

    Dec 10, 2019 · It’s incredibly important that we have this check on obstruction of justice because it goes to the integrity of our justice system, both within the courts and within the political process. 

    • Author: Sean Illing
  4. 10 Ways Trump Has Obstructed Justice - The New York Times

    www.nytimes.com/2018/01/29/opinion/trump...

    Jan 29, 2018 · The evidence that President Trump obstructed justice has come in dribs and drabs. But when that evidence is compiled in one place, I think it becomes overwhelming. My column this morning is organized around a list of 10 instances when Trump has tried to interfere with the federal investigation into his campaign’s... 

  5. How many ways will Trump obstruct justice before Republicans ...

    www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/1/29/1736906/-How...

    Jan 29, 2018 · How many ways will Trump obstruct justice before Republicans admit he's hellbent on obstruction? ... How many more ways does Trump have to obstruct justice before they admit that he's deliberately ... 

  6. 19 Times President Trump May Have Obstructed Justice

    nymag.com/.../times-president-trump-obstructed-justice.html

    “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. ... 19 Times President Trump May Have Obstructed Justice. ... House Republicans Want to Add Some Crazy to TrumpTrial ... 

    • Author: Margaret Hartmann
  7. If Trump’s own advisers think he has obstructed justice, how ...

    www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/...

    Jan 28, 2018 · If Trump’s own advisers think he has obstructed justice, how could Republicansdecide otherwise? By . ... at least two Trump advisers likely think Trump obstructed justice. 

  8.  

 

50 minutes ago, merrill said:

Republican Mueller did the hard work! 7 Articles of Impeachment

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/06/03/here-are-seven-reasons-trump-should-be-impeached/

 

 

49 minutes ago, merrill said:

Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s presentation last week, although it contained no new information, has renewed pressure to impeach President Trump. You can debate whether impeachment makes sense politically, but there is no doubt that it is justified legally and morally. There is already more than enough evidence for at least seven articles of impeachment – four more than President Richard M. Nixon would have faced had he not resigned in 1974 .

 

Article 1. Donald J. Trump, in violation of his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, and to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has obstructed the administration of justice:

1. He attempted to fire Mueller. The Mueller report found “substantial evidence . . . that the President’s attempts to remove the Special Counsel were linked to the Special Counsel’s oversight of investigations that involved the President’s conduct.”

 

48 minutes ago, merrill said:

2. Trump attempted to curtail Mueller’s investigation. Mueller found “that the President’s effort to have [Attorney General Jeff] Sessions limit the scope of the Special Counsel’s investigation to future election interference was intended to prevent further investigative scrutiny of the President’s and his campaign’s conduct.”

 

3. He ordered White House counsel Donald McGahn to falsify the record to conceal his attempts to fire Mueller. Mueller found that Trump “acted . . . in order to deflect or prevent further scrutiny of the President’s conduct.”

 

4. He fired FBI Director James B. Comey, Mueller found, because of “Comey’s unwillingness to publicly state that the President was not personally under investigation.” Moreover, Mueller wrote, by firing Comey “the President wanted to protect himself from an investigation into his campaign,” because he knew “that a thorough FBI investigation would uncover facts about the campaign and the President personally that the President could have understood to be crimes or that would give rise to personal and political concerns.” Trump showed awareness of guilt by advancing “a pretextual reason to the press and the public for Comey’s termination.”

 

5. He tried to dissuade Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen, Roger Stone, and other witnesses from cooperating with the government. The non-cooperation of Manafort and Stone, in particular, made it impossible to establish the exact nature of the relationship between the Trump campaign and the Russian government.

 

46 minutes ago, merrill said:

Article II. Donald J. Trump, in violation of his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, and to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, failed to defend America from foreign election interference. As a candidate, he welcomed Russian intervention in the 2016 election and refused to notify the proper authorities of contacts between his campaign and representatives of Russia and WikiLeaks.

 

As president, he denied that the Russian attack had even occurred, accepted Russian President Vladimir Putin’s false denials of responsibility, and showed no interest in determining the full scale of the attack. He repeatedly called the Russia investigation a “hoax” and a “witch hunt” even though Mueller determined “that there were multiple, systematic efforts to interfere in our election” and that “the matters we investigated were of paramount importance.”

 

Article III. Donald J. Trump, in violation of his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, and to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, attempted to investigate and prosecute his political opponents. On three occasions, Mueller found, Trump asked the Justice Department to initiate investigations of Hillary Clinton. More recently, Trump and his attorney, Rudolph W. Giuliani, attempted to initiate an investigation of Joe Biden.

 

45 minutes ago, merrill said:

Article IV. Donald J. Trump, in violation of his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, and to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, failed to produce papers and testimony as duly directed by Congress. Trump obstructed at least 20 inquiries relating to his taxes, business records, the Mueller investigation and other matters.

 

Article V. Donald J. Trump, in violation of federal campaign finance laws, conspired with his attorney Michael Cohen in order to conceal alleged relationships with adult film actress Stormy Daniels and Playboy playmate Karen McDougal before the 2016 election.

 

Article VI. Donald J. Trump, in violation of his oath to uphold Article 1, section 9 of the Constitution (“No money shall be drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law”), attempted to misuse his emergency powers to spend funds on a border wall that Congress did not appropriate.

 

43 minutes ago, merrill said:

Article VII. Donald J. Trump, in violation of his oath to uphold the emoluments clauses (which forbid the president from accepting benefits from foreign and state governments without the permission of Congress) retains ownership of a global business empire which allows him to benefit from dealings with foreign and state governments.

 

That Trump is guilty of these offenses – and more – is not necessarily an argument for moving forward with impeachment.  

 

But don’t pretend, as do 249 out of 250 Republican members of Congress, that there is insufficient evidence to even open an impeachment inquiry.

 

Trump has committed more criminal and unconstitutional conduct than any previous president in U.S. history. If they refuse to impeach him, members of Congress will violate their own oaths to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

Poor Merrill. Too stupid to realize the Mueller conspiracy and attempt to remove a sitting president by democratic operatives within the intelligence community was a COMPLETE FAIL. 

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1 hour ago, SixShooter said:

 

Um, Republican witnesses, and Republican questions, were barred from the investigation. Now the Dems want the Senate to do the job the House shied from. There's a reason for that, doesn't their partisanship bother you?


It was Trump who forbade 2 million civil servants from testifying, not Democrats.
 

The defense may call witnesses during the trial. Doesn’t his effort to suppress ALL witnesses bother you? What is he hiding? 

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2 hours ago, merrill said:

Trump has committed more criminal and unconstitutional conduct than any previous president in U.S. history. If they refuse to impeach him, members of Congress will violate their own oaths to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States.”


Sadly, this is where we find ourselves. 

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2 hours ago, Olivaw said:


I don’t. It’s a good law. 
 

 

If this was the case, don’t you wonder why Trump forbad witnesses from testifying to it before congress? 

Quit with the Congress crap, it's the leftards from New York and California.....you know the same  jack@asses that hang out in your bathroom mirror.

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14 hours ago, Olivaw said:

It was Trump who forbade 2 million civil servants from testifying, not Democrats.

 

Wrong. The first round of interviews were closed to Republicans and in secret. The second round was closed to due process. Only the third round, whereby the decision to impeach had already been reached, was the President invited to participate, which is a sham.

 

14 hours ago, Olivaw said:

The defense may call witnesses during the trial. Doesn’t his effort to suppress ALL witnesses bother you? What is he hiding? 

 

The executive branch owes it to the public and future presidents to resist such a biased partisan railroading as this. I applaud President Trump for honoring the Constitution this way.

 

The House Democrats in this sham are liars, weasels and skunks and instead of cooperating with them they should be told to pound broken glass up their diseased asses.

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