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Unanswered question: Regarding the left's single payer healthcare and their usual default and already debunked response....

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laton/will

 

You really believe the US Government led by Sanders is just going to walk in and take profits from companies?

 

 

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1 minute ago, Z09 said:

So you're going to take $ 8 trillion profits from corporations....

 

So suddenly they run as a non-profit?

 

Are you serious?

Come on Z, you know laton aka willfranklin tells lies daily!!!

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8 minutes ago, Z09 said:

So you're going to take $ 8 trillion profits from corporations....

 

So suddenly they run as a non-profit?

 

Are you serious?

 

We will need far less than half of the 8 trillion they profit annually.

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8 minutes ago, Z09 said:

laton/will

 

You really believe the US Government led by Sanders is just going to walk in and take profits from companies?

 

 

 

Tax rates

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Just now, laton said:

 

Tax rates

ShillWill,you claim that you have to use a sock because of your phone, people will know who you are and compromise you. But everyone know this is your sok, are you stupid or something?

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Just now, 123urout said:

ShillWill,you claim that you have to use a sock because of your phone, people will know who you are and compromise you. But everyone know this is your sok, are you stupid or something?

 

They can't hide your drivel as laton

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2 minutes ago, laton said:

 

We will need far less than half of the 8 trillion they profit annually.

But...but... but then... how will all of the people who currently are on the dole, collecting salaries from insurers and drug companies paid for by inflated costs in the "free market'...how will they get to keep their jobs doing nothing but giving us the runaround on claims for months on end while we twist in the wind???  WHAT'S TO BECOME OF THOSE POOR FOLKS!!!

 

As if that's not the whole point of this exercise:  the system is utterly broken, built entirely on collusion and cronyism, and packed to the gills with waste.

 

Anything resembling a reasonably well-functioning organization should be able to slash costs AND improve service without breaking a sweat.  Which pretty much rules out a) current insurance companies, and b) drug companies.  They have to be brought to heel, and a public option would be a good start.  WITH the intent to push down drug prices, of course.

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9 hours ago, laton said:

 

The money spent on the thousands of payers and employees and big executive salaries and the other waste listed would go to care instead...

So is the 60 billion in fraud on 40 million subscribers. That 15% of their ENTIRE BUDGET. 😂

 

3% administration(which is out of ratio) with 15% fraud loss. 😂

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On 1/23/2020 at 6:55 PM, Vegas said:

Default answer: "Well everybody else does it...derrrrr....derrrr....if everybody else does it...derrrrr...then we should too...derrrr....derrrr."

Well this has been debunked so many times its ridiculous that you keep using it. You guys remind me of the flat-earthers. Their theories have been debunked so many times already, but they are still flat-earthers anyway. On to my question. A large part of Europe and the Nordic countries are generally healthy people, not due to their healthcare system. It's due to their diet, exercise, and overall lifestyle. They walk or bike from place to place, Their portions are about a third of ours, and the food itself is real food. It's healthy. Thus they are healthy...thus, they don't need as much healthcare...thus, the expense of healthcare is lower. Well, I don't know if you retards have noticed, but Americans are generally unhealthy. Not because of our healthcare system or private insurances, but because of our diet and lack of exercise. Now I am talking generally obviously, not everybody. We Americans love our pizza, beer, cigs, fast food, and enormous portions. We are one of the most obese nations in the world. 

 

Question: With that said, has it ever occurred to you butt-plugs that the expense for healthcare to cover 350 million, with more than half being obese and unhealthy, people might ...just maybe...be a little problematic in affording the healthcare costs for all that?  

 

Well the fat bastards pay more for HC! And die sooner.And Trump will die soon! Because he is a FAT PIG!

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On 1/24/2020 at 7:41 AM, Vegas said:

Dumbasses. They think there is no bottom to the money barrel.  

The FED and Treasury print all the $$ they want to, and they need more to cover the GOP deficit!

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On 1/24/2020 at 1:29 PM, leomon said:

 

How can poor people take responsibility for their own health if they dont know any better? You love these circular arguments dont you.

 

Also they arent outside when they directly effect the food on your table. 

 

So you pay them a minimum wage of 7$ an hour, charge a ton of money for post secondary school education. Load them up with medical bill debts.

But yet at the same time they are suppose to make and buy healthy foods and know to exercise and get good rest? 

 

Cons dont make any sense

Trump loves the un educated!

They slurp up anything he says! SUCKERS!

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5 hours ago, DeepBreath said:

So is the 60 billion in fraud on 40 million subscribers. That 15% of their ENTIRE BUDGET. 😂

 

3% administration(which is out of ratio) with 15% fraud loss. 😂

 

It is riddled with private insurance which is the source of all problems.

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On 1/24/2020 at 11:01 AM, leomon said:

 

Are you really trying to ask the question who came first the chicken or the egg

 

You are arguing in circles. And you can continue argueing in circles with yourself.

 

I answered your question, densely populated areas can have good health care

Sparse populated areas can have good healthcare.

 

Now if u ask why Americans arent healthy i answered that to.

 

USDA/FDA is ruled by corporations.

Education on diet and food is lacking

lack of a single payer healthcare system

Cheap fastfood joints and cheap unhealthy food.

 

A single payer healthcare system isnt the fix all for anyone. There are underlying problems that also need to be corrected. 

 

 

Nice to see you cite two countries that have almost no minorities or illegal immigrants in comparison to the United States. In fact, Japan is almost homogeneous. 

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2 minutes ago, kfools said:

Nice to see you cite two countries that have almost no minorities or illegal immigrants in comparison to the United States. In fact, Japan is almost homogeneous. 

 

Doesn't matter unless you are racist.

 

Oh.

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41 minutes ago, laton said:

 

Doesn't matter unless you are racist.

 

Oh.

Oh I see. 

 

If you talk about demographics it's racist. 

 

The position of a moron. 

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3 minutes ago, kfools said:

Oh I see. 

 

If you talk about demographics it's racist. 

 

The position of a moron. 

 

+100.                             😇    

 

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49 minutes ago, laton said:

 

Doesn't matter unless you are racist.

 

Oh.

 

A racist is anyone who disagrees with you.

Isn't that true?

 

Did you want to have an honest discussion about race......or did you just want to use

race as a weapon.....to shut-down the free speech of your opponents? 

Why are you afraid of free speech?         😮

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14 hours ago, kfools said:

Nice to see you cite two countries that have almost no minorities or illegal immigrants in comparison to the United States. In fact, Japan is almost homogeneous. 

 

Canada has lots of immigrants

 

Here is a map

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_universal_health_care

 

Almost every developed country except US has universal free healthcare.

 

The burden of proof that privatized insured healthcare is not on us, its on you private healthcare supporters.

 

We have plenty of real world evidence that universal public healthcare works. You have yet to show us a country where privatizing it does work. And guess what US still pays more for healthcare than any other country.

 

So sad. 

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On 1/24/2020 at 7:32 PM, Vegas said:

Also, since you referred to the bible, then it is fair for me to ask you where in the bible, be it the old testament or the new testament, that either God or Jesus said that stealing was moral and compassionate. Go on, I'll wait.

 

This is not stealing who said it was stealing.

 

U are suppose to tithe to the church and have empathy to the poor thats the way it works. 

 

When people asked Jesus about paying his taxes 

 

Matthew 22:21 Jesus said "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's." Romans 13:1 "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities.

 

Jesus said you are suppose to pay taxes. Now go do what he says and pay for universal healthcare

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1 minute ago, leomon said:

 

This is not stealing who said it was stealing.

 

U are suppose to tithe to the church and have empathy to the poor thats the way it works. 

 

When people asked Jesus about paying his taxes 

 

Matthew 22:21 Jesus said "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's." Romans 13:1 "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities.

 

Jesus said you are suppose to pay taxes. Now go do what he says and pay for universal healthcare

Who said i wasnt paying taxes? Do you think Jesus would support unjust taxation? Of course its stealing. You are taking from those who have and giving to those who dont without consent. There is no vote for this. Its bernie and his followers forcing it on the people. Just like they did with Ovomitcare. They fined you for not having insurance. Stealing. Polish your turd anyway you like, its stealing. 

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On 1/24/2020 at 5:08 PM, Vegas said:

A lot of Americans live unealthy lifestyles because they are lazy. Poor people smoke and drink just as much as the rich. We love to party here. We love excess food.  We love sex , drugs, and rock and roll. We love all the different culutural foods that are here like Mexican food, chinese food, italian food, and of course good old American food like bacon, cherseburgers, steaks, and extra extra and even more extra fries...covered in chile and cheese. Its just the culture here. Its the fault of the individual and the choices we make. Alot of people here can choose a healthy lifestyle just as much as an unhealthy one. It all depends on how each person wants to spend their money.  It has nothing to do with some evil corporations or some abstract boogyman in the sky that is orchestrating all this. Supply and demand. If americans didnt demand it, do you think the corporations would supply it? Of course not. 

 

You have no proof you are just running your mouth

 

Why are americans more lazy than the average person? What culture doesnt like food, sex and drugs???? Have you actually tried other cultures foods? Have you seen indian food? Have you seen oily chinese food? Canadian food aint no better either. Still you havent proven anything

 

You have not proved why the american lifestyle is more unhealthy than other countries with single payer at all. 

 

And you still have not answered at all why a healthy meal is more expensive than a cheap meal. When your earning minimum wage what do u choose?

How can  you be so niave that u believe everyone has the capability to make the right choice. When they arent educated, mis-informed and have no money. 

 

I really dont see that you have any point. 

 

Tell me how a minimum wage american after working all day has only 5$ left for dinner. Are you expecting him to spend 5$ on a head of lettuce and carrots and eat that for dinner????

 

Do you not see the effect advertisements have on people? The way we consume our media, follow fashion and marketing. We are being told what to do, what to eat and what to like. 

 

Need i say Tide pods? Cinnamon challenge? All that other stupid stuff?

 

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4 minutes ago, Vegas said:

Who said i wasnt paying taxes? Do you think Jesus would support unjust taxation? Of course its stealing. You are taking from those who have and giving to those who dont without consent. There is no vote for this. Its bernie and his followers forcing it on the people. Just like they did with Ovomitcare. They fined you for not having insurance. Stealing. Polish your turd anyway you like, its stealing. 

 

So you object to public roads that u dont use? You object to social programs you dont use? If you dont like universal healthcare thats just the tip of the ice berg.

 

If you dont have kids what about all the children subsidies and tax credits??? Can you atleast be consistent and object everything then???

 

Then the issue isnt about universal healthcare at all, its about you dont like paying for something that you dont like.

 

So that is just you being selfish and not about universal healthcare at all then.

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Just now, leomon said:

 

You have no proof you are just running your mouth

 

Why are americans more lazy than the average person? What culture doesnt like food, sex and drugs???? Have you actually tried other cultures foods? Have you seen indian food? Have you seen oily chinese food? Canadian food aint no better either. Still you havent proven anything

 

You have not proved why the american lifestyle is more unhealthy than other countries with single payer at all. 

 

And you still have not answered at all why a healthy meal is more expensive than a cheap meal. When your earning minimum wage what do u choose?

How can  you be so niave that u believe everyone has the capability to make the right choice. When they arent educated, mis-informed and have no money. 

 

I really dont see that you have any point. 

 

Tell me how a minimum wage american after working all day has only 5$ left for dinner. Are you expecting him to spend 5$ on a head of lettuce and carrots and eat that for dinner????

 

Do you not see the effect advertisements have on people? The way we consume our media, follow fashion and marketing. We are being told what to do, what to eat and what to like. 

 

Need i say Tide pods? Cinnamon challenge? All that other stupid stuff?

 

It doesnt surprise me that you dont see the point.  

 

Of course other cultures have drugs and crap. They are still overall healthy because of their diet and exercise. Do you really not know that America has a high obesity rate? Seriously? Come on. 

 

Polish your turd anyway you like, its still a steamy pile a crap. Culture has a crap load to do with health. Seriously, how do you not know this? 

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1 minute ago, leomon said:

 

So you object to public roads that u dont use? You object to social programs you dont use? If you dont like universal healthcare thats just the tip of the ice berg.

 

If you dont have kids what about all the children subsidies and tax credits??? Can you atleast be consistent and object everything then???

 

Then the issue isnt about universal healthcare at all, its about you dont like paying for something that you dont like.

 

So that is just you being selfish and not about universal healthcare at all then.

Here we go again. You liberals argue like a bunch of pubescent 5th graders. Taxes are meant as an investment.  Meaning that the people see a return on their investment.  You dont tax people based on specific agendas . Roads are an investment that helps the people get to work so they can make a living. Essentially, taxes should benefit everyone, not just a particle economic class. Welfare does help everyone.  Most people wont collect it. Only a minority. Sane with ovomitcare. Same with single payer. How does single payer help the millions of people who will rarely use it? 

 

 

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