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Fact-checker John Avlon broke down and destroyed the main arguments the gop is making against convicting President Donald Trump.

“Presidential impeachment is a serious business, so you might expect the defense to be serious as well,” said Avlon. “But unfortunately, that doesn’t seem to be the case, judging by two documents put forward by President Trump’s lawyers. They essentially represent an attempt to put Trump’s twitter feed and rally speeches into legalese. Here is a look at five fact-free arguments you are likely to hear.”

 

*“One, the articles of impeachment violate the Constitution,” said Avlon. “These are nonsense words and a contradiction in terms. Impeachment is written into the Constitution. Good people can disagree with the charges, process, or whether it rises to the level of removal from office, but it takes brass to argue that impeachment is unconstitutional.”

 

 

*“Two, this he failed to allege any crime or violation of law whatsoever,” said Avlon. “Now, Republicans seem set to ignore the recent findings from the GAO after the articles were adopted, that the hold on Ukraine military aid did break the law. Trump and Republicans seem to be arguing without an indictable crime, impeachment is illegitimate.”

 

*“Number three. Abuse of power is not an impeachable offense,” said Avlon. “The White House legal brief calls it a ‘novel theory’ and ‘made-up standard.’ That’s a novel definition of ‘novel,’ which the dictionary defines as new and not resembling something formerly known. Abuse of power was the second article of impeachment drawn up about President Nixon and President Clinton at the recommendation of Ken Starr, now a member of the Trump legal team. Let’s go back to the Constitutional Convention and look, there’s Edmund Randolph later the first attorney general, arguing that impeachment was important because, quote, ‘the executive will have great opportunities of abusing his power.'”

 

*“Number four, obstruction is not an impeachable offense,” said Avlon. “They’re calling it ‘a radical theory that would do grave damage to the separation of powers,’ but this is not a radical idea. Obstruction was core to the articles of impeachment against Nixon, and the Supreme Court weighed in in U.S. versus Nixon, writing, ‘generalized assertion of privilege must yield to the demonstrated specific need for evidence in a pending criminal trial.’ Of course, Bill Clinton was initially accused by Ken Starr of abusing his power by invoking executive privilege and lying repeatedly … and that’s despite landing over reams of documents, allowing direct witnesses to testify, all things the Trump White House has refused to do. And Clinton even testified under oath himself.”

 

*“Finally, number five, despite all the evidence the president did nothing wrong,” said Avlon. “That’s right. The president’s legal team is all in with his insistence of complete innocence, arguing that the call with the ukrainian president was perfectly appropriate and just about the important issue of Ukrainian corruption, Now, if all of this is true, you would think that the White House would be fighting to have direct witnesses exonerate the president under oath. That’s not what’s happened. Instead, the fact-free strategy of deflect and project, arguing it’s the Democrats who are engaged in a brazen unlawful attempt to interfere with the 2020 election.”

 

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In 33 years in public service I have never seen a government lawyer lie the way Cipollone did: Ex-CIA director

Former CIA Director John Brennan was shocked seeing White House counsel Pat Cipollone before the Senate and Chief Justice John Roberts during the opening of the impeachment trial of President Donald Trump.

 

Cipollone told the chamber that Republicans were barred from attending depositions of witnesses in the House. As transcripts show, there were Republicans asking questions of the witnesses. Even the mention of the House depositions by the White House was pointless because Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) is trying to block the documents, evidence, interviews, and depositions from being entered in as evidence in the Senate trial.

 

It prompted Brennan to take to Twitter with frustration.

 

“During more than 33 years in public service, I never heard a government lawyer so misrepresent the facts & deceive the American public as WH Counsel Pat Cipollone just did in the Senate impeachment trial. Further evidence of the contagion of Mr. Trump’s dishonesty & corruption,” he tweeted.

 

 

During more than 33 years in public service, I never heard a government lawyer so misrepresent the facts & deceive the American public as WH Counsel Pat Cipollone just did in the Senate impeachment trial. Further evidence of the contagion of Mr. Trump’s dishonesty & corruption. https://twitter.com/waltshaub/status/1219706741912428550 

 
 
 
 

 

 

 

 
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13 minutes ago, benson13 said:

Fact-checker John Avlon broke down and destroyed the main arguments the gop is making against convicting President Donald Trump.

“Presidential impeachment is a serious business, so you might expect the defense to be serious as well,” said Avlon. “But unfortunately, that doesn’t seem to be the case, judging by two documents put forward by President Trump’s lawyers. They essentially represent an attempt to put Trump’s twitter feed and rally speeches into legalese. Here is a look at five fact-free arguments you are likely to hear.”

 

*“One, the articles of impeachment violate the Constitution,” said Avlon. “These are nonsense words and a contradiction in terms. Impeachment is written into the Constitution. Good people can disagree with the charges, process, or whether it rises to the level of removal from office, but it takes brass to argue that impeachment is unconstitutional.”

 

 

*“Two, this he failed to allege any crime or violation of law whatsoever,” said Avlon. “Now, Republicans seem set to ignore the recent findings from the GAO after the articles were adopted, that the hold on Ukraine military aid did break the law. Trump and Republicans seem to be arguing without an indictable crime, impeachment is illegitimate.”

 

*“Number three. Abuse of power is not an impeachable offense,” said Avlon. “The White House legal brief calls it a ‘novel theory’ and ‘made-up standard.’ That’s a novel definition of ‘novel,’ which the dictionary defines as new and not resembling something formerly known. Abuse of power was the second article of impeachment drawn up about President Nixon and President Clinton at the recommendation of Ken Starr, now a member of the Trump legal team. Let’s go back to the Constitutional Convention and look, there’s Edmund Randolph later the first attorney general, arguing that impeachment was important because, quote, ‘the executive will have great opportunities of abusing his power.'”

 

*“Number four, obstruction is not an impeachable offense,” said Avlon. “They’re calling it ‘a radical theory that would do grave damage to the separation of powers,’ but this is not a radical idea. Obstruction was core to the articles of impeachment against Nixon, and the Supreme Court weighed in in U.S. versus Nixon, writing, ‘generalized assertion of privilege must yield to the demonstrated specific need for evidence in a pending criminal trial.’ Of course, Bill Clinton was initially accused by Ken Starr of abusing his power by invoking executive privilege and lying repeatedly … and that’s despite landing over reams of documents, allowing direct witnesses to testify, all things the Trump White House has refused to do. And Clinton even testified under oath himself.”

 

*“Finally, number five, despite all the evidence the president did nothing wrong,” said Avlon. “That’s right. The president’s legal team is all in with his insistence of complete innocence, arguing that the call with the ukrainian president was perfectly appropriate and just about the important issue of Ukrainian corruption, Now, if all of this is true, you would think that the White House would be fighting to have direct witnesses exonerate the president under oath. That’s not what’s happened. Instead, the fact-free strategy of deflect and project, arguing it’s the Democrats who are engaged in a brazen unlawful attempt to interfere with the 2020 election.”

 

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trhe repubs don't want facts or the truth, they want a show to make the poorly educated in the base stay the course. that is why they took on the hateful 8, 8 of the ugliest nastiest in congress. the base is overwhelmingly negative and the emotion trump appeals to is anger, hate and resentment.

who better to piss of the likes of the base than gym jordan and than clown from Georgia who is always whining and bitching.

trump will beat the rap but the nation is so sick of this clown he will be shown the door in Nov and then off to court for the rest of his life.

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"the base is overwhelmingly negative and the emotion trump appeals to is anger, hate and resentment"

 

 

 

Anyone who can say with a straight face that Trump has not benefitted from the mainline injection of racism into conventional Republican politics should immediately apply for a gig at the White House. From Nixon to Reagan to Trump, the Republican “Southern Strategy” traded in the white robes of the Klan for a suit, a tie and some buzzwords to obscure the truth. The strategy has proven to be highly effective for the Republican Party, and toxic to the rest of the country, particularly to communities of color.

 

Sixteen years before the ascendancy of Donald Trump, George W. Bush adopted every fetid, discredited Nixon/Reagan ploy as his own. The 2000 GOP primary in South Carolina was a festival of racist gutter tactics that set Bush on course for the presidency, thanks entirely to the lessons Rove absorbed at Atwater’s knee. Bush survived the 2000 general election and was re-elected four years later, thanks in part to the thick white walls of that electoral fortress Nixon and Reagan built in the Southern states.

 

Like Nixon and Reagan, Bush had little use for the truth, and less use for observing the democratic norms that hold the republic together. Like Reagan, Bush embraced the power of the evangelical Christian right to the continued detriment of all. Nixon and Reagan lied about wars, but Bush lied us into a pair of wars that grind on to this day. Like his predecessors, George W. Bush paid no legal price for his serial crimes and astonishing dishonesty.

 

The rank racism of the “Southern Strategy.” The nonsense and classism of trickle-down economics. The grim fusion of politics and extremist evangelical Christianity. The bold power of the shameless lie. It has all flowed from Nixon to Reagan to Bush and finally to Trump, the inheritor of that poisoned estate. But for them, we would not have him. It’s all there in the painting, if you find your way to see it.

 

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Colbert burns impeachment: ‘Soon we will find out if breaking the law is illegal’

“Late Show” host Stephen Colbert burned Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) for wanting to hide the impeachment trial from the American people.

 

First, McConnell tried to hold the trial over just two days for each side, meaning it would go well into the early hours of the morning when most of the country would be asleep. After a huge uprising, some Republicans decided they weren’t willing to risk the bad optics that had.

 

Second, McConnell is trying to build in a killswitch so that if the Senate votes to allow for witnesses, he’ll mandate that they’re all in secret and Americans will never know what they say.

 

 

But worst for the GOP, the host boiled the argument down to a single, perfect sentence.

 

“Soon,” Colbert began, “we will find out if breaking the law is illegal.”

Watch his attack on McConnell below:

 

TONIGHT: Is crime illegal? America is about to find out because it's day one of Trump's impeachment trial! #LSSC

 
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The Republican Party has betrayed the American people in order to protect a life-long grifter, and current traitor to the USA, Donald Trump, aka: Putin's puppet!!!

Noam Chomsky was right when he said, "The Republican Party is the most dangerous organization in  the world today!!!!"

Although a minority party, they control the U.S. Senate, and they are controlled by the malignant narcissist, Traitor Trump in the WH!!!

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1 hour ago, benson13 said:

Fact-checker John Avlon broke down and destroyed the main arguments the gop is making against convicting President Donald Trump.

“Presidential impeachment is a serious business, so you might expect the defense to be serious as well,” said Avlon. “But unfortunately, that doesn’t seem to be the case, judging by two documents put forward by President Trump’s lawyers. They essentially represent an attempt to put Trump’s twitter feed and rally speeches into legalese. Here is a look at five fact-free arguments you are likely to hear.”

 

*“One, the articles of impeachment violate the Constitution,” said Avlon. “These are nonsense words and a contradiction in terms. Impeachment is written into the Constitution. Good people can disagree with the charges, process, or whether it rises to the level of removal from office, but it takes brass to argue that impeachment is unconstitutional.”

 

 

*“Two, this he failed to allege any crime or violation of law whatsoever,” said Avlon. “Now, Republicans seem set to ignore the recent findings from the GAO after the articles were adopted, that the hold on Ukraine military aid did break the law. Trump and Republicans seem to be arguing without an indictable crime, impeachment is illegitimate.”

 

*“Number three. Abuse of power is not an impeachable offense,” said Avlon. “The White House legal brief calls it a ‘novel theory’ and ‘made-up standard.’ That’s a novel definition of ‘novel,’ which the dictionary defines as new and not resembling something formerly known. Abuse of power was the second article of impeachment drawn up about President Nixon and President Clinton at the recommendation of Ken Starr, now a member of the Trump legal team. Let’s go back to the Constitutional Convention and look, there’s Edmund Randolph later the first attorney general, arguing that impeachment was important because, quote, ‘the executive will have great opportunities of abusing his power.'”

 

*“Number four, obstruction is not an impeachable offense,” said Avlon. “They’re calling it ‘a radical theory that would do grave damage to the separation of powers,’ but this is not a radical idea. Obstruction was core to the articles of impeachment against Nixon, and the Supreme Court weighed in in U.S. versus Nixon, writing, ‘generalized assertion of privilege must yield to the demonstrated specific need for evidence in a pending criminal trial.’ Of course, Bill Clinton was initially accused by Ken Starr of abusing his power by invoking executive privilege and lying repeatedly … and that’s despite landing over reams of documents, allowing direct witnesses to testify, all things the Trump White House has refused to do. And Clinton even testified under oath himself.”

 

*“Finally, number five, despite all the evidence the president did nothing wrong,” said Avlon. “That’s right. The president’s legal team is all in with his insistence of complete innocence, arguing that the call with the ukrainian president was perfectly appropriate and just about the important issue of Ukrainian corruption, Now, if all of this is true, you would think that the White House would be fighting to have direct witnesses exonerate the president under oath. That’s not what’s happened. Instead, the fact-free strategy of deflect and project, arguing it’s the Democrats who are engaged in a brazen unlawful attempt to interfere with the 2020 election.”

 

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As soon as I read or hear fact checker I KNOW they're lying. 

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If it hadn't been clear that Bush was speaking to an audience of one, the former president was helpful enough to confirm it: When asked by a reporter after the speech whether he thought his message would make its way to the White House, he reportedly smiled, nodded, and responded, “I think it will.”

 

His remarks represented a sharp departure from the relative silence he has maintained in the wake of Trump's election.

 

Aside from letting it slip just after the election that he and his wife, Laura Bush,did not vote for Trump, and allegedly remarking at Trump's inauguration—in between famously wrestling with his rain poncho—that “that was some weird crap,” Bush has stayed quiet when it comes to the man who mercilessly attacked his younger brother on the campaign trail.

 

He displayed similar restraint when it came to Barack Obama; over the course of Obama's two terms, Bush was more likely to be found painting watercolors of terriers than he was to speak out against the 44th president's political views.

 

 

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1 hour ago, benson13 said:

Crime is ok with republiKlans...as long as republiKlans (The Criminal Party) are committing the Crimes

 

--- Bush/Reagan Iran – Contra Secret Weapons Affair

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/execsum.htm

 

Jeb Bush defaulted on a $4.56 million loan from Broward Federal Savings in Sunrise, Florida. After federal regulators closed the S&L, the office building that Jeb used the $4.56 million to finance was reappraised by the regulators at  $500,000, which Bush and his partners paid. The taxpayers had to pay back the remaining 4 million plus dollars.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/12/18/1352819/--The-Bush-Brothers-are-Bank-Robbers#

 

The S&L scandals is by no means the only incident of questionable, and actually illegal, financial activity that the Bush family has been involved in. The line of questionable, illegal, and unethical businesses practices goes back at least to Prescott Bush Sr., George Bush Sr.’s father.  Prescott

 

Prescott Bush was a Senator from 1952 – 1963.  Previous to his time as a Senator Prescott was a banker and businessman.  Prior to the American entry into WWII Prescott Bush was director of Union Banking Corporation. Union Banking Corporation helped to finance Hitler’s regime. The Concentration Camps of Nazi Germany were labor camps that the Nazis used to make products for their regime as well as for sale to raise money.  Prescott profited directly from the Auschwitz labor camp.

 

In 1942, after Hitler declared war on America the United States government seized the Union Banking Corporation under the Trading with the Enemy Act as a front operation that was supporting the Nazis. Much of the profits from the operation were already pocketed by Prescott however, and $1.5 million was put in a trust fund for George Bush Sr.

For more on Prescott Bush's ties to the Nazis see:

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html

 

Hhttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/12/18/1352819/--The-Bush-Brothers-are-Bank-Robbers#

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