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Hey XO, you still around?   Did you see the latest video from Project Veritas?


They got a Bernie Sanders staffer, Kyle Jurek, talking on a hidden camera ...


https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1217129298001350658?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1217129298001350658&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtontimes.com%2Fnews%2F2020%2Fjan%2F14%2Fproject-veritas-sanders-staffer-says-cities-burn-i%2F


The staffer is a Sanders' campaign Iowa field organizer.   A top tier staffer, according to Iowa co-field director Brooke Adams.   

 

 

And he’s not a volunteer.   He’s a PAID staffer.


Now the portion that’s garnering most of the news (what little coverage this is getting) is his saying that if Bernie isn’t the democRAT nominee, “F***ing Cities Will Burn”, but what he says about gulags is even more interesting in the context of this thread and the discussion we’ve been having.


In the video he says that “MAGA people” will have to be “reeducated” to learn “how to not be a f***ing nazi” and that, in fact, is what the candidate’s proposal of free education for all is all about.  He said “After the fall of the Nazi party, there was a sh*t-ton of the populous that was f***ing Nazi-fied.   Germany had to spend billions of dollars reeducating their f***ing people. We’re probably going to have to do the same f***ing thing here.   That’s kinda like what Bernie’s whole f***ing like ‘hey free education for everybody because we’re going to have to teach you to not be a f***ing Nazi.”


He says that the United States could learn a lot to from the Gulag, you know, the forced labor-camp system in the old Soviet Union.   He said “Actually, the Gulags were a lot better than the CIA has told us.   Like people were actually paid a living wage in the Gulags, they had conjugal visits in the Gulags. Gulags were actually meant for reeducation.” He said ““The greatest way to break a f***ing billionaire of their privilege and their idea that they’re superior? Go and break rocks for 12 hours a day. You’re now a working class person and you’re going to f***ing learn what that means.”


So what he’s proposing is setting up gulags in the US, should Bernie (or I suppose anyone who is not Trump) wins election.  In fact, he said “Well, I’ll Tell You What in Cuba, What did They do to Reactionaries? You Want to Fight Against the Revolution, You’re Going to Die for it, M*****F***er.”   What he’s describing sounds a lot like Pol Pot’s Killing Fields.  And the way, if Trump wins, what’s he say?  “F***ing cities burn.”


One more thing, XO.   Jurak wasn’t just calling for *reeducation* for Trump supporters.    He said that Democrats who oppose Bernie Sanders are also enemies of the socialist revolutionary cause.   I suppose they too will need reeducation in a gulag.   And if that reeducation doesn’t work, well, I suppose to people like him there is the Weatherman Solution.  

 

Just saying …

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20 hours ago, dontlooknow said:

Everytime your side owns the economy it falls apart. Then democrats gotta fix it. 

This is true,and the facts support this. The GOP removes regulations that prevent greedheads to make a bundle, followed by a collapse. 

The Laffer Curve crap has never resulted as claimed.

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27 minutes ago, BeAChooser said:

Hey XO, you still around?   Did you see the latest video from Project Veritas?


They got a Bernie Sanders staffer, Kyle Jurek, talking on a hidden camera ...


https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1217129298001350658?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1217129298001350658&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtontimes.com%2Fnews%2F2020%2Fjan%2F14%2Fproject-veritas-sanders-staffer-says-cities-burn-i%2F


The staffer is a Sanders' campaign Iowa field organizer.   A top tier staffer, according to Iowa co-field director Brooke Adams.   

 

 

And he’s not a volunteer.   He’s a PAID staffer.


Now the portion that’s garnering most of the news (what little coverage this is getting) is his saying that if Bernie isn’t the democRAT nominee, “F***ing Cities Will Burn”, but what he says about gulags is even more interesting in the context of this thread and the discussion we’ve been having.


In the video he says that “MAGA people” will have to be “reeducated” to learn “how to not be a f***ing nazi” and that, in fact, is what the candidate’s proposal of free education for all is all about.  He said “After the fall of the Nazi party, there was a sh*t-ton of the populous that was f***ing Nazi-fied.   Germany had to spend billions of dollars reeducating their f***ing people. We’re probably going to have to do the same f***ing thing here.   That’s kinda like what Bernie’s whole f***ing like ‘hey free education for everybody because we’re going to have to teach you to not be a f***ing Nazi.”


He says that the United States could learn a lot to from the Gulag, you know, the forced labor-camp system in the old Soviet Union.   He said “Actually, the Gulags were a lot better than the CIA has told us.   Like people were actually paid a living wage in the Gulags, they had conjugal visits in the Gulags. Gulags were actually meant for reeducation.” He said ““The greatest way to break a f***ing billionaire of their privilege and their idea that they’re superior? Go and break rocks for 12 hours a day. You’re now a working class person and you’re going to f***ing learn what that means.”


So what he’s proposing is setting up gulags in the US, should Bernie (or I suppose anyone who is not Trump) wins election.  In fact, he said “Well, I’ll Tell You What in Cuba, What did They do to Reactionaries? You Want to Fight Against the Revolution, You’re Going to Die for it, M*****F***er.”   What he’s describing sounds a lot like Pol Pot’s Killing Fields.  And the way, if Trump wins, what’s he say?  “F***ing cities burn.”


One more thing, XO.   Jurak wasn’t just calling for *reeducation* for Trump supporters.    He said that Democrats who oppose Bernie Sanders are also enemies of the socialist revolutionary cause.   I suppose they too will need reeducation in a gulag.   And if that reeducation doesn’t work, well, I suppose to people like him there is the Weatherman Solution.  

 

Just saying …

Yeah, Project Veritas. What a POS they are. Harvard should sue then for using their slogan.

I will gladly vote for Bernie to ditch the  corrupt Trump. No one is going to set up gulags here. It is true that many  Trumpkins need an education. Some of the clowns on this forum are truly ignorant is logic and facts.

All the Democrats are vastly superior to the vile Trump. And I am not worried about the ghost of George Bernard Shaw even a teensy bit.

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Project Veritas is a bogus greedhead propaganda outlet.

I will vote for whomever is the Democratic candidate. Bernie is persistent and thoughtful man, and  I vastly prefer him to the evil, lying and corrupt Trump.

I don't think he would do more than design a better healthcare plan and greater educational opportunities for the future generations.

I am not even minimally worried about the Fabians or the ghost of GB Shaw. AS for Bernie's aide, He isn't any threat at all.

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1 hour ago, kfools said:

How do you determine need against want?

are your serious, food cloths health care housing education, transport, if you want to go out drinking or own an i phone? you get off your ass and work, luxuries are incentive enough to make people work.. tell you a story and explain the difference between need and want, i was talking to some danish kids about school ad they said they both had part time jobs, the state pays for university housing and food plus about 500$ stipend? the reply we like to drink we like to drink a lot, the state wont pay us  to drink we must buy our onw beer and the good stuff can be expensive... the danish econmy rests on a presiise, people are provided exvery free of charge, why work then? well they have a strong work ethic and they also like to drink,  he who doent work doesnt drink, people will work to get a luxury, life wiht just the bare necessities? is dull twerribly dull

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1 hour ago, BeAChooser said:

Hey XO, you still around?   Did you see the latest video from Project Veritas?


They got a Bernie Sanders staffer, Kyle Jurek, talking on a hidden camera ...


https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1217129298001350658?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1217129298001350658&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtontimes.com%2Fnews%2F2020%2Fjan%2F14%2Fproject-veritas-sanders-staffer-says-cities-burn-i%2F


The staffer is a Sanders' campaign Iowa field organizer.   A top tier staffer, according to Iowa co-field director Brooke Adams.   

 

 

And he’s not a volunteer.   He’s a PAID staffer.


Now the portion that’s garnering most of the news (what little coverage this is getting) is his saying that if Bernie isn’t the democRAT nominee, “F***ing Cities Will Burn”, but what he says about gulags is even more interesting in the context of this thread and the discussion we’ve been having.


In the video he says that “MAGA people” will have to be “reeducated” to learn “how to not be a f***ing nazi” and that, in fact, is what the candidate’s proposal of free education for all is all about.  He said “After the fall of the Nazi party, there was a sh*t-ton of the populous that was f***ing Nazi-fied.   Germany had to spend billions of dollars reeducating their f***ing people. We’re probably going to have to do the same f***ing thing here.   That’s kinda like what Bernie’s whole f***ing like ‘hey free education for everybody because we’re going to have to teach you to not be a f***ing Nazi.”


He says that the United States could learn a lot to from the Gulag, you know, the forced labor-camp system in the old Soviet Union.   He said “Actually, the Gulags were a lot better than the CIA has told us.   Like people were actually paid a living wage in the Gulags, they had conjugal visits in the Gulags. Gulags were actually meant for reeducation.” He said ““The greatest way to break a f***ing billionaire of their privilege and their idea that they’re superior? Go and break rocks for 12 hours a day. You’re now a working class person and you’re going to f***ing learn what that means.”


So what he’s proposing is setting up gulags in the US, should Bernie (or I suppose anyone who is not Trump) wins election.  In fact, he said “Well, I’ll Tell You What in Cuba, What did They do to Reactionaries? You Want to Fight Against the Revolution, You’re Going to Die for it, M*****F***er.”   What he’s describing sounds a lot like Pol Pot’s Killing Fields.  And the way, if Trump wins, what’s he say?  “F***ing cities burn.”


One more thing, XO.   Jurak wasn’t just calling for *reeducation* for Trump supporters.    He said that Democrats who oppose Bernie Sanders are also enemies of the socialist revolutionary cause.   I suppose they too will need reeducation in a gulag.   And if that reeducation doesn’t work, well, I suppose to people like him there is the Weatherman Solution.  

 

Just saying …

Sounds like your typical leftist on this site. 😁

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4 minutes ago, guilluamezenz said:

are your serious, food cloths health care housing education, transport, if you want to go out drinking or own an i phone? you get off your ass and work, luxuries are incentive enough to make people work.. tell you a story and explain the difference between need and want, i was talking to some danish kids about school ad they said they both had part time jobs, the state pays for university housing and food plus about 500$ stipend? the reply we like to drink we like to drink a lot, the state wont pay us  to drink we must buy our onw beer and the good stuff can be expensive... the danish econmy rests on a presiise, people are provided exvery free of charge, why work then? well they have a strong work ethic and they also like to drink,  he who doent work doesnt drink, people will work to get a luxury, life wiht just the bare necessities? is dull twerribly dull

Your philosophy has failed economically  literally everywhere it's been tried. 

 

There isn't enough incentive for said country to compete against OTHER countries. 

 

Incentive, AKA profit motive, is what's brought us literally every single technological and innovative advances in modern mankind. 

 

 

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39 minutes ago, guilluamezenz said:

are your serious,

Yes.

39 minutes ago, guilluamezenz said:

food

How much? What kind?

39 minutes ago, guilluamezenz said:

cloths

What brand?

39 minutes ago, guilluamezenz said:

health care

Ok

39 minutes ago, guilluamezenz said:

housing

How big?

39 minutes ago, guilluamezenz said:

education, transport, if you want to go out drinking or own an i phone? you get off your ass and work,

But everything else is provided?

39 minutes ago, guilluamezenz said:

luxuries are incentive enough to make people work..

How many hours?

39 minutes ago, guilluamezenz said:

tell you a story and explain the difference between need and want, i was talking to some danish kids about school ad they said they both had part time jobs, the state pays for university housing and food plus about 500$ stipend? the reply we like to drink we like to drink a lot, the state wont pay us  to drink we must buy our onw beer and the good stuff can be expensive... the danish econmy rests on a presiise, people are provided exvery free of charge, why work then? well they have a strong work ethic and they also like to drink,  he who doent work doesnt drink

If you spent $50 a day on beer how many hours would you need to work?

39 minutes ago, guilluamezenz said:

, people will work to get a luxury, life wiht just the bare necessities? is dull twerribly dull

What about electric,tv,and water?

Police and firefighters?

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Disavow neoliberalism. That's the cure for inequality

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You Earn it.

 

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- Adult AMERICA -

 

"You have the Unalienable Right to Fail,

...and Start Anew.

 

You have the Unalienable Right to Starve to Death,

...if you don't Freeze to Death in Winter first,

...if that is Your Free Will,

...and the Product of Your Labor."

 

- Blue Devil -

 

 

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5 hours ago, XavierOnassis said:

Yeah, Project Veritas. What a POS they are. Harvard should sue then for using their slogan.

I will gladly vote for Bernie to ditch the  corrupt Trump. No one is going to set up gulags here. It is true that many  Trumpkins need an education. Some of the clowns on this forum are truly ignorant is logic and facts.

All the Democrats are vastly superior to the vile Trump. And I am not worried about the ghost of George Bernard Shaw even a teensy bit.

 

I guess I might as well be talking to a brick wall, folks.   Just  saying ...  B)

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16 hours ago, kfools said:

Yes.

How much? What kind?

What brand?

Ok

How big?

But everything else is provided?

How many hours?

If you spent $50 a day on beer how many hours would you need to work?

What about electric,tv,and water?

Police and firefighters?

that too thank you for reminding me

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On ‎1‎/‎13‎/‎2020 at 5:13 PM, impartialobserver said:

The instant that even person has more or less income than someone, it is technical unequal and therefore we have income inequality. So what would your be dream income distribution? 

 

Skewness Something skewed like this (ignore the scale).  A smaller std. dev. would be optimal to a larger one. 

I also don't anticipate that it would end so abruptly to the right. 

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18 hours ago, BeAChooser said:

 

I guess I might as well be talking to a brick wall, folks.   Just  saying ...  B)

The ghost of George Bernard Shaw, now dead since 1950, reaches out his tentacles across 69 years and an ocean to throw poor Bealoser into a gulag.

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XO says Fabianism isn’t a threat and has had no effect on America.

 

He LIES.

 

Here's an essay I doubt he’ll read ...

 

... but I hope everyone else will.

 

Because if you don't know the history of Fabianism, you may soon lose your freedom ...

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3263007/

 

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Managed truth: The great danger to our republic


Russell L. Blaylock

 

… snip …


It was the Fabian socialists of England who demonstrated that without a violent revolution, a handful of cultural elites could transform a country from a free society to a collectivist one. Collectivism is a world view which believes that selected elites or “anointed” members of society possess superior knowledge and should be the ones chosen to engineer society according to central planning schemes. The ordinary citizen under such a system becomes a mere cog in the wheel of the state. The common person's views, personal plans and desires must be subordinated to that of the grand designers of the state.


On one evening in 1883 (the year of Marx's death), nine young British intellectuals met and founded the Fabian Society of London with the idea of transforming the world through a species of propaganda that they termed “education.” [9] Within a short period of time, they reached their goal in England and brought her to the verge of economic collapse, destroying a system of individual freedom that had evolved over centuries. With each failure of the collectivist plan came newer and more oppressive controls over the people. In the eyes of the planners, the problem is that people are not being obedient and this is because of self-interest and an inability to visualize the ultimate utopia that is the goal of the collectivist planners. Only the visionary anointed of the elite can conceptualize where they are taking all of us. In their view, we are like children being forced to take a bitter medicine; only later, when we are “well,” will we appreciate what was forced on us.


How were such a small number of intellectuals able to wrest control of the British government? It was done through a system of gradualism that involved attracting and utilizing university professors, playwrights, writers, social dignitaries, and politicians who shared these visions. Special efforts were made to recruit the young, who are always visionary. Their most powerful weapon was in controlling the “truth” and the dissimulation of controlled information, that is, managed truth.


For example, using monies from the tax-free foundations in America, they were able to form one of the most prestigious economic schools in the world, the London School of Economics, which attracted luminaries such as John Maynard Keynes (1883–1946), Joseph Kennedy, Jr, and John F. Kennedy.[10] This one institution changed the entire financial system of the Western world for over 50 years, mainly through a carefully orchestrated system of propaganda. Similar results have occurred in the areas of revisionist history, language, sociology and social policymaking.


THE FABIANS COME TO AMERICA


In 1895, the Fabian Society of England came to the United States and helped establish an American society of intellectuals. Some of America's most influential writers, playwrights, authors, poets, industrialists, labor leaders, and politicians flocked to the new society. Dignitaries such as Jack London, Upton Sinclair, Felix Frankfurter, Walter Lippmann, and Louis Brandeis were members and dedicated followers of this collectivist idea. Most were quite open in their writings as to their dedication to collectivism. The new society in 1905 changed its name to the Intercollegiate Socialist Society. By 1921, because of the unpopularity of the name “socialist,” they once again changed their name as League for Industrial Democracy.


The first issue of their official magazine, The American Fabian, printed by the budding society in February 1895, outlined its objectives in America. On the top of their list was to effect a series of basic changes in the constitution itself “that would make possible the introduction of state socialism step by step in the United States.”[11] In the same issue, they observed that England's (unwritten) constitution readily allows changes so that England can move into socialism almost imperceptibly, but “our constitution, being largely individualistic, must be changed to admit socialism, and each change necessitates a political crisis.” The real or manufactured crisis is always the engine of revolutionary assaults on traditional political structures.


Even a brief review of American history, since the time these words were printed, will attest to the brilliance of this plan. Collectivism has made tremendous strides as a result of a series of contrived as well as real crises: World War I, the stock market crash of 1929 and the subsequent Great Depression of the 1930s, World War II, and so on. Today, as an example, we are told of a persistent crisis in health care delivery that acts as a political impetus for the establishment of universal health care coverage, in effect, a socialist, national health care plan.


Three years after the new party was established, British Fabian socialist, Ramsey MacDonald, on a return visit to the United States said, “The great bar to socialist progress in the United States is the written constitution, federal and state, which gives ultimate power to a law court.”[12] As we shall see, much attention has been given to correcting this “problem.”


JUDICIAL ACTIVISM: SOCIALISM WITH TEETH

 

It was Felix Frankfurter (1882—1965) who advocated the concept of judicial activism before his elevation to the Supreme Court (1932—1962). This idea transformed the intended purpose of the court from interpretation of the law to creation of new laws through leftist interpretation. This, of course, was one of the early goals of the Fabians, to break down the separation of powers. Judicial activism gives the courts the traditional judicial power as well as a new power to legislate, all the while separated from the voter. This new judicial power did not go unrecognized. In his 1967 Carpentier lecture at Columbia University, Justice Adolph A. Berle opened by saying: “The thesis can be briefly stated. Ultimate legislative power in the United States has come to rest in the Supreme Court of the United States…. This is a revolution. The unique fact is that the revolutionary committee is the Supreme Court of the United States.”[13]


One of President Woodrow Wilson's closest friends was the Harvard law professor and later Supreme Court Justice (1916–1939), Louis D. Brandeis (1856–1941). Brandeis, a supporter of the idea of a sociological interpretation of the constitution, was the Justice who, interestingly, solved the Fabians’ biggest dilemma – how to fund their massive new collectivist social programs? In a conversation with Associate Justice Benjamin Cardozo (1870–1938) on how to fund social insurance, he whispered, “The taxing power of the federal government, my dear; the taxing power is sufficient for everything you want and need.”[14] The rest is history.


President Wilson's closest advisor, Colonel Edward Mandell House (1858–1938), was a Fabian Society member and it was Colonel House's opinion that the “United States constitution, a creation of eighteenth century minds, was not only outmoded, but grotesque and ought to be scrapped or rewritten.”[15] The British socialist Harold Laski tells us why they feared the constitution when he stated it was “capitalism's strongest safeguard on earth today.”[16] He also called for all liberal, socialist, and communist groups to advance the idea of democratic socialism.


In 1920, the Fabians formed the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) primarily to combat arrest and deportation of communists and also to promote leftist judicial activism. One of its founders was Supreme Court Justice and Fabian socialist Felix Frankfurter. I wrote an article for the Greensboro News on the history of the ACLU, including its early domination by communist board members. The newspaper would not print the article until it had been approved by the national headquarters of the ACLU. It was approved.


Philip Kurland, in an article for Modern Age, summarized the basic problem of judicial activism when he said, “Essentially the problem is that we have become a society overburdened by laws, whether they be statues, or executive orders, or regulations, or guidelines, or judicial decrees.”


It has been observed that today most laws are not made by the legislature but rather by bureaucracies. Hundreds of thousands of pages of laws are written every day by an army of unaccountable bureaucrats who are, in essence, destroying our freedom.


EDUCATING THE NEW SOCIALIST


Recognizing the importance of education, by 1888, the Fabians formed the Nationalist Clubs whose purpose was to “educate” the masses in socialist thought via lectures, books, and other publications.[17] By 1890, there were 158 such clubs throughout the United States. Some 50 newspapers supported the clubs, including major papers in Boston, New York, and Philadelphia. That same year they published the Literary Digest, edited by many respected luminaries, including poets, writers, bankers, clergy, and of course lawyers, primarily to give legitimacy to its collectivist ideas.


The American Fabians used as their model the Society for Socialist Inquiry and Propaganda (changed to the New Fabian Research Bureau in 1931) that was created by the Fabian Socialist founders G. D. H. and Margaret Cole, the latter being a tutor at Oxford and the London School of Economics. This group included some of the most outstanding figures in British society, which gave them much prestige and enhanced their ability to permeate all aspects of society with this new managed truth. This organization literally flooded British society with a multitude of publications on virtually every socialist subject under the sun. But more importantly, the usual outlets of information dissemination, newspapers, writers and politicians, turned to these socialist intellectuals for answers, just as we see in America today.


The Fabians played a large part in organizing the major teacher unions, including the National Education Association (NEA), the American Federation of Teachers, and the American Association of University Professors. Interestingly, it was one of the most ardent Fabians, Jack London (1876–1916), who started the idea of speaking tours among the many college and university campuses for the specific purpose of promoting Fabian socialist ideas.[18] Philosopher Sidney Hook tells us that it was the writings of Jack London which attracted him to socialism.


Sidney Hook, an early disciple of socialism, saw the importance of democracy in promoting socialism when he wrote, “The task of the socialist in such a situation is to work to introduce the conditions under which democracy can develop, and to carry on intense educational activity on behalf of socialism.”[19]


By 1933, the Student League for Industrial Democracy merged openly with many pro-communist groups to form the American Student Union, which in these early days continued to be deeply infiltrated with communists. Sidney Hook, in his important autobiography Out of Step states that “his picture of communist influence, so strong that it amounted to domination of key areas of American cultural life, in literature, art and movies, may appear incredible to those who were not involved at the time, but the evidence, although often ignored today, is available and overwhelming.”[20]


The Fabian socialists received a tremendous boost from the tax-exempt foundations. During the course of the hearings on the tax-exempt foundations before the Carrol B. Reese Committee, which examined the records of the Ford Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation and the Carnegie Foundation, as well as many other interconnected foundations, they discovered that these multi-billion dollar foundations were directing enormous amounts of money and influence into changing American education so that students would accept a new world dominated by Fabian socialist ideas.[21]


The committee found the foundations had created an “extremely powerful propaganda machine” that produced masses of material for distribution in educational institutions, underwrote textbooks to be used in schools, created political clubs, and established professorships at colleges for training and indoctrinating teachers, all with a leftist slant. In fact, one of the common themes they found in the foundation literature was a call to alter the American Constitution so as to facilitate the introduction of collectivist programs, something, as we have seen, has always been a dream of the Fabians. The committee concluded one thing was utterly clear, “No private group should have the power or right to decide what should be read and taught in our schools and colleges;” yet, this is exactly what the endowment sought to do in “educating public opinion.”[22]


We see this pattern continued in foundation support of radical environmentalism, moral relativism, disarmament propaganda, and the Goals 2000 education scheme in our schools. They have also supported propaganda designed to alter our ideas concerning private property, medical care delivery, and the desirability of “economic democracy” (democratic socialism) worldwide. As has been reported in the Medical Sentinel, the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation has been a major force behind state initiatives forcing managed care on whole populations. Many of these foundations interlock, so that hidden contributions may come from each other, thereby magnifying their influence.


Over the past 20 years, we have witnessed an all-out assault on our values and beliefs by the education establishment designed to alter our American system of government so as to accept collectivism on a grand scale. Knowing that the universities are the centers of collectivist activism, the collectivist left is ever seeking to enroll more and more youth in these universities. This may be why President Clinton has publicly announced that all children deserve a college education in America. He knows that even though in reality not all students will need a college education to pursue their life-long careers and attain their place in society, it is in the university that they will receive their collectivist indoctrination, just as with the 60s’ generation. This is also why the National Education Association, a Fabian creation, has, as a dominant part of their agenda each year, to undermine home schooling. In fact, this year they insisted that national laws be passed that would require the home schooled child to use the same educational materials (books, pamphlets and visual aids) as used by the public school system.


ECONOMIC THEORY

 

Following a backlash against socialist governments in the aftermath of World War II, it was suggested that the Fabians drop the word “socialist” and instead substitute the term “economic democracy.” This term has been used repeatedly throughout the latter part of the 20th century by gradualist socialists and the new left. It was soon after the turn of the century, in fact, that the socialists pulled their most brilliant coup. This occurred when they appropriated the label “liberal.” They were well aware that classical liberal principles were opposite to theirs, but that made the theft even more exciting. In fact, until recently, most Europeans were puzzled that American collectivists referred to themselves as “liberals”, since they understood that they were opposing terms.


It was John Maynard Keynes (1883–1946), a product of the London School of Economics, who expressed the idea that society should be a form of socialism ruled by elites.[23] And, it was also Keynes who first advocated the abandonment of the gold standard by England and the shifting of defense funds for social programs – something that the American, modern liberals learned well.


In his General Theory of Employment, Interest, and Money (1936), Keynes advocated the planning of a nation's economic life, political supervision of private industry, and manipulation of the currency, that is, a massive increase in the size and scope of government. The first enthusiastic review of Keynes’ General Theory by a professional economist was by G. D. H. Cole, an avowed Marxist and a founding member of the Fabian Society. Two of the strongest proponents in America were government officials in Franklin D. Roosevelt's administration, Lauchlin Currie and Harry Dexter White, both proven communists. Keynes himself was quoted as saying, “The Republic of my imagination lies on the extreme left of celestial space.”[24] Despite this, Keynesian economics dominated the American economy until the election of Ronald Reagan, after which it was declared dead. Unfortunately, the corpse continues to convulse and has now arisen as a zombie, more difficult to kill than ever.


Within their book The Communist Manifesto, second on a list of 10 methods to create the new collectivist society, Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels proposed “a heavy progressive or graduated income tax.”[25] Early writings of the American Fabians also insisted on a severely graduated income tax system and a heavy and graduated inheritance tax, as well as a tax on land value. Later, Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis also proposed the use of taxes to fund the growth of socialism in the US during the New Deal.


It seems obvious the primary purpose of taxation is not to collect revenues, but rather to punish the wealthy individualist and redistribute his wealth. It has been demonstrated no less than three times in our history that to collect more revenues, you simply cut the tax rate. Yet, the leftists in this country continue to rail against tax cuts. You would think they would be overjoyed to have more money to fund their programs. But they do not because it flies in the face of a more important principle of leftism – egalitarianism – that is, the forced division of wealth by utilizing the power of the state.


The centerpiece of the collectivist egalitarian state is the welfare establishment which serves two purposes. Most important, people must be made dependent on government, and in the beginning, this dependence centered on housing, food, and special benefits (unemployment and worker's compensation insurance). But what better way could be there to make people dependent than to be the only source of health care? In The Law (1850), Frederic Bastiat captures the essence of socialism: “In all of them, you will probably find this idea that mankind is merely inert matter, receiving life, organization, morality, and prosperity from the power of the state.”[26] The second aim of collectivism is to punish the individualist person of wealth. Scholars of collectivism agree that the collectivist sees the individual as an enemy of the state who continually resists their collectivist plans. It is axiomatic that what the dictator fears most is the people – this explains the ever present and increasingly oppressive police state.


The greatest strides in American socialism occurred under Presidents Woodrow Wilson, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Lyndon Johnson, Bill Clinton and now Barack Obama, but each president in between has played a role. Since the presidency of FDR, a great number of collectivists have entered the administrations of each of these presidents as cabinet members, directors of bureaucracies and other officials in positions of power. It was Clinton's economic advisor, Derek Shearer, who, like his Fabian predecessors, in 1970 advocated a change in the name “socialism” to “economic democracy” because the word socialism scared people. Economic democracy has also been the clarion call of Vietnam War protestor Tom Hayden. It was Shearer who once said, “Marxism is an attempt to humanize economic and social life.”


Ira Magaziner, the architect of the Clinton health care plan, and former labor secretary Robert Reich lamented that we lack a “centralized government agency responsible for devising a rational ”industrial policy.” The concept of an “industrial policy” is another code word for socialism (like those used by Marxist Antonio Gramsci, architects of Fascist Italy and National Socialist Germany, and the Anglo-American Fabians).


But once again, socialism has changed its stripes. Achille Occhetto, General Secretary of the Italian Communist Party, stated: “Our objective is no longer the socialist system achieved by democratic means, but democracy guided by socialist ideas.”[27] One of the most common words used by the Marxists and Leninist has been “democracy.” They support democracy, but only as long as they are able to control the public perception of “truth.” For over two centuries, political philosophers have understood that freedom under democracies is directly dependent on access to the “truth.” When the collectivists control what constitutes the “truth,” democracy allows them to progressively increase the power of the state until it is all-powerful and irresistible. The lure of socialism is that it tells the people there is nothing they cannot have and that all social evils will be redressed by the state.


CONCLUSION


This essay was designed to give the reader a better idea as to how we have arrived where we are today in the American society. It is difficult, if not impossible, to understand contemporary events without understanding the forces that have motivated our society and the ideologies that have captivated the minds of the intellectuals.


The transformation of American society, from a society of defenders of freedom to one of collectivist thinking, grew out of a small network of influential Fabian intellectuals meeting at the Hull House in Chicago at the turn of the century. By using their prestige, power, and influence and by utilizing the enormous wealth of the tax-exempt foundations, they have been able to challenge the concept of the separation of powers of our government, alter our economic system, violate our constitution via judicial activism, and alter our perceptions on national sovereignty. Private property, for the first time in our history, is being directly challenged. Our children are being taught to ignore moral principles, accept relativism, and abandon the concept of individual liberty in exchange for collectivist ideas of “the village.”


V. I. Lenin said, “It is true that liberty is precious, so precious that it must be rationed.” The rationing of liberty has taken many forms; economic liberty is controlled by the welfare state for some, and social security and federal health care by others. Hundreds of thousands of pages of bureaucratic rules and regulations further ration our liberties. And should a national health care system be ultimately instituted, the elimination of our liberties will be near completion. The control over the individual under such a system goes far beyond just medical care itself. We are witnessing the total regimentation of people under a system of absolute state control, which includes virtually every aspect of our lives.


In his book Theory and History, Ludwig von Mises states, “The collective creed is by necessity exclusive and totalitarian…. There is, of course, but one way to make one's own judgments of value supreme. One must beat into submission all those dissenting. … Collectivism is a doctrine of war, intolerance, and persecution.”[28] And Nathaniel Weyl notes, “Communist society needs the sort of subject who can accept regimentation and authority without questioning it. The individualist – and therefore, the intellectually superior elements – are a security risk.”[29]


The principles of classical liberalism are being assaulted daily, not only in our universities, public schools, news media, television programming, movies, books and novels, but also by a whole generation of professionals in private society who were convinced of the desirability of egalitarian collectivism during the 60s and even more so today. Most shockingly, this also includes our churches. The foundation upon which Western civilization was built was religion, and hence it has been one of the main targets of the modern liberal-leftist.


The collectivists not only seek to destroy Judeo-Christian beliefs but also are aggressively altering the church from inside so that it too becomes a voice of egalitarian collectivism, that is, the new world order. Those of us who read history repeat incessantly, “You cannot understand contemporary events without knowing the past.” Too many naively assume all of these social programs arise de novo from the minds of honest reformers, rather than the truth, that they were formulated in the minds of intellectuals dedicated to the collectivization of the world. The process by which they convince the masses to accept self-enslavement is by managing the truth. So, in essence, in our naiveté and acquiescence to their managed truths, and in being blinded to the real truth, we are building the gallows of our own civilization.

 


 

Fabianism is the real threat to America, folks.

 

It and what it has done needs to be told to the public at every turn.

 

Trump should give a nationally televised speech about it and direct people to articles like this.

 

Because you can't understand what's been happening without understanding the role Fabianism.

 

Which is why LEFTIST LIARS like XO are so desperate to keep you from knowing anything about it.
 

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1 hour ago, Scout said:

 

Skewness Something skewed like this (ignore the scale).  A smaller std. dev. would be optimal to a larger one. 

I also don't anticipate that it would end so abruptly to the right. 

Interesting.

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On 1/12/2020 at 5:04 AM, personreal said:

"What to do about economic inequality?"

 

Develope skills and get a better job.

You should quit your job as a low paid propagandist for the Reich, and get a real job, son!

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1 hour ago, Scout said:

 

Skewness Something skewed like this (ignore the scale).  A smaller std. dev. would be optimal to a larger one. 

 

 

How small Scout?

 

Don't you leftists think it would be better if the distribution had zero standard deviation ... that we all made the same income?

 

 

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1 hour ago, BeAChooser said:

XO says Fabianism isn’t a threat and has had no effect on America.

 

He LIES.

 

Here's an essay I doubt he’ll read ...

 

... but I hope everyone else will.

 

Because if you don't know the history of Fabianism, you may soon lose your freedom ...

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3263007/

 


 

Fabianism is the real threat to America, folks.

 

It and what it has done needs to be told to the public at every turn.

 

Trump should give a nationally televised speech about it and direct people to articles like this.

 

Because you can't understand what's been happening without understanding the role Fabianism.

 

Which is why LEFTIST LIARS like XO are so desperate to keep you from knowing anything about it.
 

No movement that has failed to take over in 80 years is going to take over now. You are simply obsessed. trump is a far worse threat to our country than the ghosts of deceased Brits.

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10 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

No movement that has failed to take over in 80 years is going to take over now. You are simply obsessed. trump is a far worse threat to our country than the ghosts of deceased Brits.

TDS in full effect. 😂

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8 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

No movement that has failed to take over in 80 years is going to take over now. You are simply obsessed. trump is a far worse threat to our country than the ghosts of deceased Brits.

 

As I said, it's like talking to a brick wall, folks.  In ALL topics, he won't discuss facts.   He runs from them.   He simply dismisses out of hand whatever is noted factually and then regurgitates his meme.   Like all TRUTHERS do, and I'll bet that he did NOT read the article I linked above.   Which in itself is telling.

 

Now here's something else I can almost guarantee he won't read.   

 

But everyone else out there should ...

 

https://archive.org/details/B-001-002-046/page/n5

 

It's a book titled "The Naked Communist" that was written in 1958 by W. Cleon Skousen.   I bring to your attention a list, starting on page 259, of 45 "Current Communist Goals" that Skousen added to the book in 1961 based on his very thorough analysis of Communism, it's past activities and where the Communists themselves said they were headed.   He said  "These are all part of a campaign to soften America for the final takeover.   It should be kept in mind that many loyal Americans are working for these same objectives because they are not aware that these objectives are designed to destroy us."  This was NOT a short term strategy as XO would suggest.   This was a long term project and thinking long term is the very foundation of Fabian Socialist tactics.   It was expected to take many decades to realize.   And Fabians are patient.

 

Congressman Albert S. Herlong, Jr of Florida read the list into the Congressional Record on January 10, 1963.  Here's Shousen's list (mind you, this was formulated in 1961):

 

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1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war. 

 

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war. 

 

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength. 

 

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war. 

 

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites. 

 

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination. 

 

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N. 

 

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N. 

 

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress. 

 

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N. 

 

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.) 

 

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party. 

 

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths. 

 

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office. 

 

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States. 

 

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

 

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks. 

 

18. Gain control of all student newspapers. 

 

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack. 

 

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions. 

 

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures. 

 

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms." 

 

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art." 

 

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press. 

 

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. 

 

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy." 

 

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch." 

 

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state." 

 

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis. 

 

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man." 

 

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over. 

 

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc. 

 

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus. 

 

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities. 

 

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI. 

 

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions. 

 

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business. 

 

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat]. 

 

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals. 

 

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce. 

 

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents. 

 

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems. 

 

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government. 

 

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal. 

 

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.

 

 

Now look through that list, folks.

 

It's a real eye opener ... seemingly prescient.

 

Because almost every one of those goals has now been accomplished ... which should frighten you.

 

That's how close they are to taking over this country.

 

Americans need to wake up.

 

Our youth need to wake up and attend to the real world ... rather than their internet *GAMES*.

 

Because if they let LIARS like XO lull them asleep, they'll wake up one morning in a communist dictatorship.

 

And it won't be pretty.

 

It will be a killing field with ANYONE who disagrees finding themselves and families eliminated.

 

By the way, the one complaint I have about that book is it doesn't mention Fabian Socialism.

 

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10 hours ago, nuckin futz said:

You should quit your job as a low paid propagandist for the Reich, and get a real job, son!

Why should I...I get benefits and paid holidays.   :)

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8 hours ago, BeAChooser said:

By the way, the one complaint I have about that book is it doesn't mention Fabian Socialism.

 

And why would that not be the case? BECAUSE IT IS NOT ANY SORT OF PROBLEM!

Crazy Cleon from the Cold War. A favorite author of the John Birchers.

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