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A case exists that Sanders is not merely electable, but may be the most electable Democrat running right now. Democrats who want to defeat Donald Trump in 2020 should not assume that Sanders is a politically risky choice — even though that is the conventional wisdom — and instead look dispassionately at the arguments for and against his supposed electability. 

 

https://www.salon.com/2019/11/24/quit-saying-that-bernie-sanders-cant-win-he-may-be-the-most-electable-democrat-running-in-2020/

 

Many people make that same argument, from the axiomatic position that a leftist or socialist is inherently unelectable. Yet when I reached out to assorted political experts to get their thoughts on Sanders' electability, I found more complex responses.

 

Before contacting these people, I identified five hypothetical arguments suggesting that Sanders is the most electable candidate. He has rebounded a bit in the polls since recovering from his recent heart attack, and is currently at or near the top in both Iowa and New Hampshire.

 

His supporters are enthusiastic and will vote for him no matter what, which could lead to higher turnout for him in both the primary and general elections. Voters may care less about ideology than character, which could give Sanders an edge if he is perceived as compassionate and sincere in contrast to the opportunistic and shallow Trump. 

 

For that matter, Sanders' ideas aren't even that radical in the first place; they're basically an updated version of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal, which got him elected four times. https://www.salon.com/2019/11/24/quit-saying-that-bernie-sanders-cant-win-he-may-be-the-most-electable-democrat-running-in-2020/

 

 Finally, and perhaps most importantly, Sanders has consistently led Trump in head-to-head polling in battleground states, and thus has a plausible Electoral College strategy. As a resident of one such state, Pennsylvania, I encounter this daily, at least on an anecdotal level.

 

"Conventional wisdom routinely fails to grasp the simmering anger that’s fueled by extreme income inequality,"  journalist Norman Solomon, co-founder and national coordinator of RootsAction.org and a Sanders delegate to the 2016 Democratic National Convention, told Salon by email. He was making what one could call the "populist wave" argument:

 

 More than mere fairness is at stake here. Donald Trump represents a grave danger to the United States and the world. His initiatives on global warming and immigration, his economic and foreignpolicies and his personal corruption are all existential threats to the survival of the free world, as well as severe moral crises for our country.

 

https://www.salon.com/2019/11/24/quit-saying-that-bernie-sanders-cant-win-he-may-be-the-most-electable-democrat-running-in-2020/

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Assuming Bernie gets elected, he will need a Democratic controlled congress to get much accomplished ...  Just as FDR had  Otherwise he will be forced to shelve much of his campaign platform.  So we need to win back the Senate while keeping control of the House.  Second:  If Bernie becomes the Democratic candidate, I for one, would be much more comfortable if he were to choose a relatively young running mate.  There are plenty of progressives to choose from.

 

 But even if we do not win back the Senate, any president has wide latitude to act, including executive orders, subject to judicial review and time limitations.  And a president has the Bully Pulpit.   Depending on force of personality and popularity, each president's philosophy exerts a major influence on the nation.  Right now, I support Elizabeth Warren but I would switch to Bernie should it he becomes the dominant front-runner.

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2 hours ago, bludog said:

Assuming Bernie gets elected, he will need a Democratic controlled congress to get much accomplished ...  Just as FDR had  Otherwise he will be forced to shelve much of his campaign platform.  So we need to win back the Senate while keeping control of the House.  Second:  If Bernie becomes the Democratic candidate, I for one, would be much more comfortable if he were to choose a relatively young running mate.  There are plenty of progressives to choose from.

 

 But even if we do not win back the Senate, any president has wide latitude to act, including executive orders, subject to judicial review and time limitations.  And a president has the Bully Pulpit.   Depending on force of personality and popularity, each president's philosophy exerts a major influence on the nation.  Right now, I support Elizabeth Warren but I would switch to Bernie should it he becomes the dominant front-runner.

I would say at least by the 104th Congress if a president especially a Democrat will get next to nothing done other than by executive order, Obama's remainig 6 years were filled with frustration especially the stonewalling of Merrick Garland. We have to win both houses like 2008 in order to get anything of merit done. The Republican party is definitely diminishing but they obviously are going to do everything possible fair or unfair legal or illegal to cling to power for as long as possible.

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15 hours ago, merrill said:

A case exists that Sanders is not merely electable, but may be the most electable Democrat running right now. Democrats who want to defeat Donald Trump in 2020 should not assume that Sanders is a politically risky choice — even though that is the conventional wisdom — and instead look dispassionately at the arguments for and against his supposed electability. 

 

https://www.salon.com/2019/11/24/quit-saying-that-bernie-sanders-cant-win-he-may-be-the-most-electable-democrat-running-in-2020/

 

Many people make that same argument, from the axiomatic position that a leftist or socialist is inherently unelectable. Yet when I reached out to assorted political experts to get their thoughts on Sanders' electability, I found more complex responses.

 

Before contacting these people, I identified five hypothetical arguments suggesting that Sanders is the most electable candidate. He has rebounded a bit in the polls since recovering from his recent heart attack, and is currently at or near the top in both Iowa and New Hampshire.

 

His supporters are enthusiastic and will vote for him no matter what, which could lead to higher turnout for him in both the primary and general elections. Voters may care less about ideology than character, which could give Sanders an edge if he is perceived as compassionate and sincere in contrast to the opportunistic and shallow Trump. 

 

For that matter, Sanders' ideas aren't even that radical in the first place; they're basically an updated version of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal, which got him elected four times. https://www.salon.com/2019/11/24/quit-saying-that-bernie-sanders-cant-win-he-may-be-the-most-electable-democrat-running-in-2020/

 

 Finally, and perhaps most importantly, Sanders has consistently led Trump in head-to-head polling in battleground states, and thus has a plausible Electoral College strategy. As a resident of one such state, Pennsylvania, I encounter this daily, at least on an anecdotal level.

 

"Conventional wisdom routinely fails to grasp the simmering anger that’s fueled by extreme income inequality,"  journalist Norman Solomon, co-founder and national coordinator of RootsAction.org and a Sanders delegate to the 2016 Democratic National Convention, told Salon by email. He was making what one could call the "populist wave" argument:

 

 More than mere fairness is at stake here. Donald Trump represents a grave danger to the United States and the world. His initiatives on global warming and immigration, his economic and foreignpolicies and his personal corruption are all existential threats to the survival of the free world, as well as severe moral crises for our country.

 

https://www.salon.com/2019/11/24/quit-saying-that-bernie-sanders-cant-win-he-may-be-the-most-electable-democrat-running-in-2020/

 

bring it on .....

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 More than mere fairness is at stake here. Donald Trump represents a grave danger to the United States and the world. His initiatives on global warming and immigration, his economic and foreignpolicies and his personal corruption are all existential threats to the survival of the free world, as well as severe moral crises for our country.

 

https://www.salon.com/2019/11/24/quit-saying-that-bernie-sanders-cant-win-he-may-be-the-most-electable-democrat-running-in-2020/

 

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19 hours ago, fourputt said:

I would say at least by the 104th Congress if a president especially a Democrat will get next to nothing done other than by executive order, Obama's remainig 6 years were filled with frustration especially the stonewalling of Merrick Garland. We have to win both houses like 2008 in order to get anything of merit done. The Republican party is definitely diminishing but they obviously are going to do everything possible fair or unfair legal or illegal to cling to power for as long as possible.

Should it be as easy as this - fairness, and finally dealing with climate change in a meaningful way Versus stupid wars and belligerent lies?

 

The go around we have these days is offensive and increasingly destructive to the vast majority of people in the US and every other country. We should be tired of exploitation by now.

https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/videos/economics-for-people

 

Educate the people. Wouldn't it be great if people were proud, if they all felt as though they could contribute to a better word? We should have argument, and show economic numbers

in a way the people can understand. Focus is what we need. I say Bernie Sanders motivates far more than any other politician. Peteswinecave.com 

 

Peace!

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On 1/10/2020 at 8:52 PM, merrill said:

A case exists that Sanders is not merely electable, but may be the most electable Democrat running right now. Democrats who want to defeat Donald Trump in 2020 should not assume that Sanders is a politically risky choice — even though that is the conventional wisdom — and instead look dispassionately at the arguments for and against his supposed electability. 

 

https://www.salon.com/2019/11/24/quit-saying-that-bernie-sanders-cant-win-he-may-be-the-most-electable-democrat-running-in-2020/

 

Many people make that same argument, from the axiomatic position that a leftist or socialist is inherently unelectable. Yet when I reached out to assorted political experts to get their thoughts on Sanders' electability, I found more complex responses.

 

Before contacting these people, I identified five hypothetical arguments suggesting that Sanders is the most electable candidate. He has rebounded a bit in the polls since recovering from his recent heart attack, and is currently at or near the top in both Iowa and New Hampshire.

 

His supporters are enthusiastic and will vote for him no matter what, which could lead to higher turnout for him in both the primary and general elections. Voters may care less about ideology than character, which could give Sanders an edge if he is perceived as compassionate and sincere in contrast to the opportunistic and shallow Trump. 

 

For that matter, Sanders' ideas aren't even that radical in the first place; they're basically an updated version of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal, which got him elected four times. https://www.salon.com/2019/11/24/quit-saying-that-bernie-sanders-cant-win-he-may-be-the-most-electable-democrat-running-in-2020/

 

 Finally, and perhaps most importantly, Sanders has consistently led Trump in head-to-head polling in battleground states, and thus has a plausible Electoral College strategy. As a resident of one such state, Pennsylvania, I encounter this daily, at least on an anecdotal level.

 

"Conventional wisdom routinely fails to grasp the simmering anger that’s fueled by extreme income inequality,"  journalist Norman Solomon, co-founder and national coordinator of RootsAction.org and a Sanders delegate to the 2016 Democratic National Convention, told Salon by email. He was making what one could call the "populist wave" argument:

 

 More than mere fairness is at stake here. Donald Trump represents a grave danger to the United States and the world. His initiatives on global warming and immigration, his economic and foreignpolicies and his personal corruption are all existential threats to the survival of the free world, as well as severe moral crises for our country.

 

https://www.salon.com/2019/11/24/quit-saying-that-bernie-sanders-cant-win-he-may-be-the-most-electable-democrat-running-in-2020/

 

BERNIE is the man

 

Elizabeth is the woman 

 

AOC is the other woman

 

All three are strong !!!!!!

 

All Three Make a Team!!!!!!

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He is the most electable candidate by far... People need to realize that Joe Biden is a waste of time. The only reason that Obama picked him as his VP is because he needed to win white voters over. Joe Biden is a waste of time, he is Hillary 2.0 people are slowly figuring that out. 

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On 1/10/2020 at 6:52 PM, merrill said:

A case exists that Sanders is not merely electable, but may be the most electable Democrat running right now. Democrats who want to defeat Donald Trump in 2020 should not assume that Sanders is a politically risky choice — even though that is the conventional wisdom — and instead look dispassionately at the arguments for and against his supposed electability. 

 

https://www.salon.com/2019/11/24/quit-saying-that-bernie-sanders-cant-win-he-may-be-the-most-electable-democrat-running-in-2020/

 

Many people make that same argument, from the axiomatic position that a leftist or socialist is inherently unelectable. Yet when I reached out to assorted political experts to get their thoughts on Sanders' electability, I found more complex responses.

 

Before contacting these people, I identified five hypothetical arguments suggesting that Sanders is the most electable candidate. He has rebounded a bit in the polls since recovering from his recent heart attack, and is currently at or near the top in both Iowa and New Hampshire.

 

His supporters are enthusiastic and will vote for him no matter what, which could lead to higher turnout for him in both the primary and general elections. Voters may care less about ideology than character, which could give Sanders an edge if he is perceived as compassionate and sincere in contrast to the opportunistic and shallow Trump. 

 

For that matter, Sanders' ideas aren't even that radical in the first place; they're basically an updated version of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal, which got him elected four times. https://www.salon.com/2019/11/24/quit-saying-that-bernie-sanders-cant-win-he-may-be-the-most-electable-democrat-running-in-2020/

 

 Finally, and perhaps most importantly, Sanders has consistently led Trump in head-to-head polling in battleground states, and thus has a plausible Electoral College strategy. As a resident of one such state, Pennsylvania, I encounter this daily, at least on an anecdotal level.

 

"Conventional wisdom routinely fails to grasp the simmering anger that’s fueled by extreme income inequality,"  journalist Norman Solomon, co-founder and national coordinator of RootsAction.org and a Sanders delegate to the 2016 Democratic National Convention, told Salon by email. He was making what one could call the "populist wave" argument:

 

 More than mere fairness is at stake here. Donald Trump represents a grave danger to the United States and the world. His initiatives on global warming and immigration, his economic and foreignpolicies and his personal corruption are all existential threats to the survival of the free world, as well as severe moral crises for our country.

 

https://www.salon.com/2019/11/24/quit-saying-that-bernie-sanders-cant-win-he-may-be-the-most-electable-democrat-running-in-2020/

Brilliant and true!!!

 

Sander's ideas are better for discovery and level the playing field in a constructive economic way. It's an older model that should provide today's leaders with the proofs that are evident and do work better than what we have today. We also need to reteach history regarding racism in a big way. 

 

The fact is human made climate change is real. Instead of war, we need to spend and make our dollars count towards zero carbon emissions and mitigation towards the damage that has already been done. 

 

We need sacrifice to count for something that people will someday be proud of in a big way. If you look at the history of medicine, all the great innovations of the last 80 years, and understand what medicine was like back in say the 1920's, you'd kind of be amazed, and at the same time be mad as hell regarding what people eat, and the fact that so many people have no health care nor any real education about how they can prevent disease as individuals. 

 

If more people were well educated, people would not put up with the nonsense we have today in so many ways. 

 

Sander's is not a radical leftist. Yes, go to Finland or Denmark, study what can be in different parts of the world. We are all tied together, hegemonic rule is foolish and dangerous. 

Nuclear weapons --- I cannot believe how stupid. 

 

How can you exterminate people - that's called what?

They'll use it against you if they are smart, I would. That's what I have say about Iran's leadership. That's what I have to say about Putin and his illegal oligarchical rule. Under the table, like they do in Indonesia, like they do in African nations as well as in many countries in the America's. All for the elite, all to subjugate the weak (biblical - called the meek, for those religious ones), or to otherwise exploit anything from natural resource down to intellectual property which has been in fact  in so many ways explicitly stolen from the people in one way or the other.

 

Pride is hard to come by. A true nation filled with people who are truly proud, should it be only a common dream?

I was in Japan for a while recently, they go in droves to give thanks to the Meiji Emperor who transformed their country from feudalism rule. There was much sacrifice in that era, and it took a long time to get from there to what they have now.

 

Peace!

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On 1/10/2020 at 8:52 PM, merrill said:

A case exists that Sanders is not merely electable, but may be the most electable Democrat running right now. Democrats who want to defeat Donald Trump in 2020 should not assume that Sanders is a politically risky choice — even though that is the conventional wisdom — and instead look dispassionately at the arguments for and against his supposed electability. 

 

https://www.salon.com/2019/11/24/quit-saying-that-bernie-sanders-cant-win-he-may-be-the-most-electable-democrat-running-in-2020/

 

Many people make that same argument, from the axiomatic position that a leftist or socialist is inherently unelectable. Yet when I reached out to assorted political experts to get their thoughts on Sanders' electability, I found more complex responses.

 

Before contacting these people, I identified five hypothetical arguments suggesting that Sanders is the most electable candidate. He has rebounded a bit in the polls since recovering from his recent heart attack, and is currently at or near the top in both Iowa and New Hampshire.

 

His supporters are enthusiastic and will vote for him no matter what, which could lead to higher turnout for him in both the primary and general elections. Voters may care less about ideology than character, which could give Sanders an edge if he is perceived as compassionate and sincere in contrast to the opportunistic and shallow Trump. 

 

For that matter, Sanders' ideas aren't even that radical in the first place; they're basically an updated version of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal, which got him elected four times. https://www.salon.com/2019/11/24/quit-saying-that-bernie-sanders-cant-win-he-may-be-the-most-electable-democrat-running-in-2020/

 

 Finally, and perhaps most importantly, Sanders has consistently led Trump in head-to-head polling in battleground states, and thus has a plausible Electoral College strategy. As a resident of one such state, Pennsylvania, I encounter this daily, at least on an anecdotal level.

 

"Conventional wisdom routinely fails to grasp the simmering anger that’s fueled by extreme income inequality,"  journalist Norman Solomon, co-founder and national coordinator of RootsAction.org and a Sanders delegate to the 2016 Democratic National Convention, told Salon by email. He was making what one could call the "populist wave" argument:

 

 More than mere fairness is at stake here. Donald Trump represents a grave danger to the United States and the world. His initiatives on global warming and immigration, his economic and foreignpolicies and his personal corruption are all existential threats to the survival of the free world, as well as severe moral crises for our country.

 

https://www.salon.com/2019/11/24/quit-saying-that-bernie-sanders-cant-win-he-may-be-the-most-electable-democrat-running-in-2020/

 

Sanders' ideas aren't even that radical in the first place; they're basically an updated version of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal, which got him elected four times which makes Sanders the most electable democrat ........

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On 1/19/2020 at 8:43 PM, merrill said:

 

I have tried to make this case too some people and people are too ignorant to see this... We need someone like a Bernie that will be able to make change that will last generations, not just someone that will only work with Republicans. I do not want another Republican Lite in office. 

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1 hour ago, zkyllonen8 said:

We need someone like a Bernie that will be able to make change that will last generations, not just someone that will only work with Republicans.

 

To make change that lasts, it needs to be broadly popular and accepted by majorities on both sides of the aisle. Because if not, then the next time the Republicans get a working majority, they will undo whatever the previous Democratic government has done.

 

Bernie Sanders is really bad at compromise. On his Senate page he put an article that says as much:  "For better and for worse, compromise isn’t Sen. Bernie Sanders’ strong suit. If you want somebody to make nice with those on the other side of an issue, the Vermont independent isn’t your man. On the other hand, if you want someone to rise up in righteous indignation, he’s a reliable bet."  He seems to be bragging that he's bad at compromise.

 

Therefore whatever does manage to do will be reversed as soon as Republicans are able to do so. But never mind Republicans... first he has to convince a wide spectrum of Democrats. You think rising up with righteous indignation will help him much in that area?  I don't. I think he'll get nothing done.  But he'll do a lot of that righteous indignation stuff.

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2 hours ago, laripu said:

 

To make change that lasts, it needs to be broadly popular and accepted by majorities on both sides of the aisle. Because if not, then the next time the Republicans get a working majority, they will undo whatever the previous Democratic government has done.

 

Bernie Sanders is really bad at compromise. On his Senate page he put an article that says as much:  "For better and for worse, compromise isn’t Sen. Bernie Sanders’ strong suit. If you want somebody to make nice with those on the other side of an issue, the Vermont independent isn’t your man. On the other hand, if you want someone to rise up in righteous indignation, he’s a reliable bet."  He seems to be bragging that he's bad at compromise.

 

Therefore whatever does manage to do will be reversed as soon as Republicans are able to do so. But never mind Republicans... first he has to convince a wide spectrum of Democrats. You think rising up with righteous indignation will help him much in that area?  I don't. I think he'll get nothing done.  But he'll do a lot of that righteous indignation stuff.

 

I mean with the current president all he has to do is sign a executive order, he has got a lot through the Democratically Controlled House this way. 

 

Why couldn't a President Bernie Sanders do this as well?

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4 hours ago, zkyllonen8 said:

I mean with the current president all he has to do is sign a executive order, he has got a lot through the Democratically Controlled House this way. 

 

Why couldn't a President Bernie Sanders do this as well?

 

We've seen that executive orders last about as long as the administration lasts. Trump undid Obama's. Yes, Sanders can undo Trump's and make more of his own. Then the next Republican can sweep those away.

 

Real lasting change needs broad support.

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27 minutes ago, laripu said:

 

We've seen that executive orders last about as long as the administration lasts. Trump undid Obama's. Yes, Sanders can undo Trump's and make more of his own. Then the next Republican can sweep those away.

 

Real lasting change needs broad support.

 

I see where your coming from but I think some of the proposals sanders is putting forth will be put through congress.

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Real lasting change could be had by allowing voters to vote in change which could lock in changes for at least a decade I believe. Politicians seem to be afraid of allowing we the people to make the best decisions.

 

Then again politicians work for we the people not the other way around. It's time we push this issue.

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16 hours ago, merrill said:

Real lasting change could be had by allowing voters to vote in change which could lock in changes for at least a decade I believe. Politicians seem to be afraid of allowing we the people to make the best decisions.

 

Then again politicians work for we the people not the other way around. It's time we push this issue.

 

They do not work for the people in the current system we have. 

 

They work solely for the Corporations and Top 1% 

 

We need real change and leadership that will change this unfortunate reality we are living in.  

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   On 1/22/2020 at 10:18 PM,  merrill said: 

Real lasting change could be had by allowing voters to vote in change which could lock in changes for at least a decade I believe. Politicians seem to be afraid of allowing we the people to make the best decisions.

 

Then again politicians work for we the people not the other way around. It's time we push this issue.

 

They do not work for the people in the current system we have. 

 

They work solely for the Corporations and Top 1% 

 

We need real change and leadership that will change this unfortunate reality we are living in.  

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On 1/23/2020 at 8:25 PM, merrill said:
   On 1/22/2020 at 10:18 PM,  merrill said: 

Real lasting change could be had by allowing voters to vote in change which could lock in changes for at least a decade I believe. Politicians seem to be afraid of allowing we the people to make the best decisions.

 

Then again politicians work for we the people not the other way around. It's time we push this issue.

 

They do not work for the people in the current system we have. 

 

They work solely for the Corporations and Top 1% 

 

We need real change and leadership that will change this unfortunate reality we are living in.  

The Meiji restoration ended the feudal Edo military realm in Japan. If you can strike the inevitable connection between the leaders and the people who can perform with pride any miracle which could some day become. It's a big and bold plan that encompasses everyone and everything under the sun.

 

If you can only think. It is possible. And with a lot of hard work, and a lot of patience to create pride. The people will build a shrine to remember you and they will bow down as humble spirits that catch your reflection through clear water springs. Brothers and Sisters gratefully living within natures own beauty.

 

 

Peace!

 

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1 hour ago, TheOldBarn said:

The Meiji restoration ended the feudal Edo military realm in Japan. If you can strike the inevitable connection between the leaders and the people who can perform with pride any miracle which could some day become. It's a big and bold plan that encompasses everyone and everything under the sun.

 

If you can only think. It is possible. And with a lot of hard work, and a lot of patience to create pride. The people will build a shrine to remember you and they will bow down as humble spirits that catch your reflection through clear water springs. Brothers and Sisters gratefully living within natures own beauty.

 

1 hour ago, TheOldBarn said:

The Meiji restoration ended the feudal Edo military realm in Japan. If you can strike the inevitable connection between the leaders and the people who can perform with pride any miracle which could some day become. It's a big and bold plan that encompasses everyone and everything under the sun.

 

If you can only think. It is possible. And with a lot of hard work, and a lot of patience to create pride. The people will build a shrine to remember you and they will bow down as humble spirits that catch your reflection through clear water springs. Brothers and Sisters gratefully living within natures own beauty.

 

 

Peace!

 

The Japanese people are about as culturally monolithic people on Earth. They find it easy to change their minds em masse, as they did after WWII from being materialistic ad colonialist to pacifistic and materialistic.Americans are not Japanese and tend to be diverse because of religious, ethnic  and  historic differences.

I think Bernie is less susceptible to compromise than Warren, and I favor her because of this. But I will vote for an Democrat that gets the nomination.

 

 

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