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Let's start with the warmongering lies before we get to health care.

 

Lie #1 for discussion Dec. 31, 2019.

 

But, he added, “I’m the guy – that’s pointed out repeatedly – that thought we should not be going into Afghanistan.”

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/joe-biden-republican-2020-vp-nominee

 

Did Biden vote to go to war in Afghanistan? Yes I seem to recall he did.

 

We also know he stupidly voted to go into Iraq.

 

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Biden does have a history of exaggeration, plagiarism in speeches, and even lying.

 

If he's the candidate, these will be pointed out repeatedly by all the media. Nevertheless, both in temperament and honesty, he's better than Trump.

 

I do hope there's a better Democratic candidate.

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On the other hand, he hasn't profited much from the positions he's had.

 

There are varying reports of his net worth, some saying that he's in debt, which I don't believe.

 

Forbes reported last August that he and his wife Jill have a combined her worth of only around $9 million. That seems low. He had a Senator's salary ($169,300) at the time, and VP's salary ($230,000). His wife Jill holds a PhD and  always worked; she taught English at a community college, while he was VP.

 

With income like that, his net worth should be a lot more. It should be at least $25 million, unless they gave no thought to managing their money or to investments. That's not wise at all.

 

Well, it's a no-win. One way he'd be seen as unduly profiting from his position. The other way (my view) is that he's a bit dumb about investing. Either way, not good.

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Thanks. We are going to get to his lies about health care.

 

I hope that is okay with you guys.

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I am kinda the bad mouth, the far left noisy one in the room.

 

I am after Joe. I hate much of what he stands for in many ways.

 

That's the scene of this play I guess so far in the whole LO room.

 

It seems we have a good discussion started for everyone.

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Joe Biden will lose to trump people need to realize that. 

 

Trump will have a field day with him on the debate stage. 

 

Biden can barely finish a sentence or for god's sake a thought that comes to him, he couldn't even remember President's Obama's last name. The guy that he worked with for 8 years running the country. 

 

People need to wake up and realize that he is not the answer that our country needs.  

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18 hours ago, WillFranklin said:

I am kinda the bad mouth, the far left noisy one in the room.

 

I am after Joe. I hate much of what he stands for in many ways.

 

That's the scene of this play I guess so far in the whole LO room.

 

It seems we have a good discussion started for everyone.

 

I am on board with this, I am too after Joe as he has already stated that nothing will fundamentally change under him. 

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On 1/2/2020 at 9:01 PM, WillFranklin said:

We are going to get to his lies about health care.

 

I hope that is okay with you guys.

 

No, I'm not happy with that at all.   Why do you ask?

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On 1/4/2020 at 12:29 AM, Renegade said:

 

 

No, I'm not happy with that at all.   Why do you ask?

 

Because he says that MFA is not better than everything else out there, a total lie.

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2 hours ago, WillFranklin said:

Because he says that MFA is not better than everything else out there, a total lie.

 

Just because someone makes a statement you don't agree with, that doesn't make them a liar.  I'm not asking you to stop advocating for MFA.  All I'm asking is for you to stop posting personal attacks against Joe Biden.  

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1 hour ago, Renegade said:

 

Just because someone makes a statement you don't agree with, that doesn't make them a liar.  I'm not asking you to stop advocating for MFA.  All I'm asking is for you to stop posting personal attacks against Joe Biden.  

 

 

It is a lie from him. And I am going to quote him, point to why, and show where he is lying throughout the campaign.

 

Then if Biden wins the nom I leave it blank in the General.

 

Let's get started.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/24/bidens-bungled-attack-medicare-for-all/

 

Biden staff was already on damage control from these lies.

 

But then this.

 

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/07/biden-health-care-medicare-for-all

 

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It looks like these lies are too much for Biden's establishment sycophants.

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BIG LIST OF LIES!!!

 

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/joe-biden/statements/byruling/false/

 

False

Obama sponsored a bill that became law

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And now for more Medicare For All LIES!!!

 

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/07/biden-health-care-medicare-for-all

 

Biden’s lie: “Medicare goes away as you know it. All the Medicare you have is GONE.”

Verdict: 100 Pinocchios

This is Biden’s boldest and most duplicitous lie. It’s also one that comes straight from a Donald Trump op-ed. Medicare for All, as its name suggests, will not eliminate Medicare but rather expand it to every US resident. The only parts of the program that will go away are the private supplemental plans seniors are currently forced to buy.

Medicare for All will instead make the public plan comprehensive by adding dental care, hearing aids, vision care, and more to its list of covered items — and it will do this while eliminating all co-pays, premiums, and deductibles. BidenCare, on the other hand, will continue denying seniors needed coverage and charging them for care.

Biden’s lie: “How many of you out there have had someone you’ve lost to cancer? Or cancer yourself? No time… We cannot have a hiatus of six months, a year, two, three, to get something done.”

Verdict: Really confusing. 80 Pinocchios

Biden is of course correct that we cannot have a hiatus of six months to three years during which cancer patients are unable to receive care. Fortunately, there will be no such hiatus with Medicare for All. Biden is pulling this idea out of thin air. (Also, does anybody really think that Bernie is pushing for a health care system that would suspend all cancer treatment? Biden might as well accuse Sanders of proposing Medicare for All death panels.)

Sanders’s Medicare for All bill has a four-year transition period during which nobody will lose coverage. The transition will add new age groups to Medicare until every US resident is on the program in the fourth year, and it will create a public option (far more generous than Biden’s) that people can join in the meantime. The program’s list of covered items will expand in the very first year, ensuring that from the get-go people will have far better coverage than they ever would under BidenCare.

Biden’s lie: “How many of you like your employer based healthcare? Do you think it was adequate? Now if I come along and say you’re finished, you can’t have it anymore, well that’s what Medicare for All does. You cannot have it. Period.”

Verdict: Technically true, but very deceptive. 20 Pinocchios.

Everyone should watch the video in which Biden says this. When he asks if they liked their employer-sponsored care, about ten people in a very crowded audience raised their hand. This is, of course, because nobody has fond feelings toward their private insurer, and most seniors (it was an AARP crowd) are happy to finally be on Medicare.

Biden is attempting to convince you that Medicare for All will rip millions of people from their beloved private plans, causing untold disruption. It’s very similar to recent arguments made by Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell.

These arguments are absurd. In reality, Medicare for All will introduce real stability by guaranteeing lifelong public insurance to everyone, ensuring that nobody loses coverage ever again. It will rescue people from a system in which employers dictate their employees’ coverage.

Having health care tethered to employment is an extremely volatile arrangement — as Matt Bruenig notes, one in four people on employer-sponsored plans are thrown off their insurance each year. Biden is technically correct that people won’t be able to have employer-sponsored insurance once Medicare for All is won — but the truth is that’s a very good thing.

Biden’s lie: “I understand the appeal of Medicare for All. But folks supporting it should be clear that it means getting rid of Obamacare, and I’m not for that.”

Verdict: 50 Pinocchios

Obamacare did a couple of very good things: it expanded Medicaid eligibility to millions more people and improved coverage by mandating a set of essential benefits. Medicare for All doesn’t do away with either of these things. In fact, it improves upon them by bringing the entire country into a public insurance program that fully covers all medically necessary care.

Biden might as well be warning that winning a beautiful new car will mean getting rid of your busted ‘95 Taurus. Medicare for All is superior to Obamacare in every way. It will cover everyone, eliminate out-of-pocket costs, put an end to the phenomenon of “Medicaid envy” (where people on the wrong side of an arbitrary income cutoff lose eligibility for Medicaid), and give patients total freedom of choice in doctor and hospital.

If anyone loves Obamacare, it’s because it gave them some small monetary reprieve or coverage that they lacked before. Medicare for All will help them even further by erasing all out-of-pocket costs and giving everyone comprehensive coverage.

Medicare for All doesn’t “get rid of” Obamacare; it replaces it with a far better system.

Biden’s lie: BidenCare is “the best way to lower costs and cover everyone.”

Verdict: 200 Pinocchios

This gets 200 Pinocchios because it’s actually two lies: that BidenCare is the best way to lower costs, and that it’s the best way to cover everyone.

The latter is Biden’s funniest lie because it directly contradicts the details of his own plan. While every other Democrat is running on support for universal health care, Biden makes clear right on his website that his plan will only cover 97 percent of Americans.

Assuming that number is correct, nearly ten million people will remain uninsured and 125,000 will die due to lack of insurance in the first ten years. It’s therefore a little audacious to say the plan will cover everyone.

BidenCare will lower costs somewhat for patients. It caps an employee’s premiums at 8.5 percent rather than 9.86 percent, while also making more people eligible for gold plans, meaning lower deductibles. But it’s important to understand that under BidenCare, people will continue to be saddled with thousands of dollars in out-of-pocket costs and regularly drained by expensive premiums. Only Medicare for All will get rid of these costs.

In terms of overall health care spending, BidenCare will cost $750 billion over a decade. This is on top of current spending, which is projected at $42.9 billion over the next ten years. Medicare for All will cost trillions less.


Biden is going to keep lying about Medicare for All — he has to in order to sell his own plan. But Medicare for All will always win on the merits, and supporters should correct the lies being spread about it whenever they encounter them. Sanders is doing his part by tirelessly advocating for his bill and confronting Biden’s lies head on, but he cannot take this fight on alone.

Every Medicare for All supporter should stand up and join the conversation. There are too many lives at stake — not to mention too many Pinocchios — not to.

 

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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/477059-sanders-unloads-on-biden-as-battle-for-iowa-intensifies

 

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) unloaded on former Vice President Joe Biden on Monday night, intensifying a battle between two top contenders for the Democratic nomination with the Iowa caucuses less than a month away.

 

In an interview with CNN’s Anderson Cooper, Sanders attacked Biden’s record on foreign policy, trade and entitlements and questioned Biden’s electability in key Midwestern states. 

The new attacks come just 28 days before the Iowa caucuses.

 

Polling has been sparse in recent weeks, but both Biden and Sanders look strong in the final stretch, with polls finding them jockeying for a top finish alongside former South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg and Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.).

 

On Monday night, Sanders ripped Biden for voting to authorize military action in Iraq in 2002. Sanders voted against the measure.

 

“Joe Biden voted and helped lead the effort for the war in Iraq, the most dangerous foreign policy blunder in the modern history of this country,” Sanders said.

 

That issue has come to the forefront of the Democratic primary in recent days after President Trump ordered a military strike that killed a top Iranian military commander. A CNN poll from late November found Biden with a 34-point lead over his closest rival on the question of who Democratic voters trust the most on foreign policy.

 

Sanders also ripped Biden for voting for the North American Free Trade Agreement, saying that deal had cost the U.S. “millions of jobs.”

 

The electability argument has been central to Biden’s pitch, but Sanders argued that Biden’s record on trade would make him unelectable in the key battlegrounds that Democrats must win back to take the White House.

 

“Do you think that’s going to play well in Michigan, Wisconsin or Pennsylvania?” Sanders asked.

Sanders is also looking to cut into Biden’s big lead among older voters, and on Monday night he accused Biden of supporting cuts to entitlement programs that many seniors rely on.

 

“Joe Biden has been on the floor of the Senate talking about the need to cut Social Security or Medicare or Medicaid,” Sanders said.

 

And Sanders accused Biden of pushing “a bankruptcy bill that has caused enormous problems for working families.”

 

Warren has also clashed with Biden over his support for a 2005 bankruptcy bill that critics said favored the credit card companies.

 

Some centrist Democrats have become alarmed by Sanders’s aggressive tone in the stretch run to Iowa and are pointing to remarks he made on Sunday about how he had not attacked his rivals.

 

“You have not heard me disparage any of the candidates. Do you? I don’t,” Sanders said.

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2 hours ago, WillFranklin said:

Obama's excuse for not going single payer was the wasteful jobs that would be lost in private health insurance.

 

Untrue. The main argument against a single payer system was practical implementation problems, and that the votes for it weren't there. He couldn't even get all the Democratic votes for the ACA, never mind single payer.  And the fact is, no president will be able to swing enough votes in Congress to get a single payer system as long as we have the political spectrum we do today. The United States is significantly to the right of all the other developed countries. That's to the detriment of many poor Americans, but it is a fact.

 

Even if, magically, we elected 67 Democratic senators, we still couldn't swing it because of Joe Manchin and a few others on the right of the Democratic party.

 

To get single payer, America has to change from the grassroots up. Hearts and minds will change it; presidents can only do what's possible.

 

From this web site:



In February 2004, about a month before the primary election in the U.S. Senate race, the Associated Press reported the stance of all the candidates on universal health care. "Obama says he supports the idea of universal health care but does not think a single-payer government system is feasible. He says the government should be the health care provider of last resort for the uninsured." In a rundown of all the candidates' positions, the Associated Press summarized Obama's position as "Support, but 'probably not at this stage,' a single-payer government system."

In his book The Audacity of Hope , published in October 2006 when he was a U.S. senator, Obama described single-payer as the hope of the left, while those on the right wanted a market-based approach. "It's time we broke this impasse by acknowledging a few simple truths," Obama wrote, suggesting a system much like the one he supports today.

In April 2007, a few months after he declared his candidacy for presidency, the Chicago Tribune reported, "Obama has pledged that, if elected, all Americans would have health-care coverage by the end of his first term. He has said he is reluctant to switch to a 'single-payer' national health insurance system because of the difficulty in making a quick transition from the employer-based private system."

At his town halls as president, he routinely answers questions about single-payer by saying he would favor it if he were starting a system "from scratch." But he consistently adds that's not the goal of the current reform. "For us to transition completely from an employer-based system of private insurance to a single-payer system could be hugely disruptive, and my attitude has been that we should be able to find a way to create a uniquely American solution to this problem that controls costs but preserves the innovation that is introduced in part with a free-market system," Obama said in Annandale, Va., on July 1, 2009.

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5 minutes ago, laripu said:

 

Untrue. The main argument against a single payer system was practical implementation problems, and that the votes for it weren't there.

 

 

 

Obama himself said he was concerned about the workers at Blue Cross Blue Shield as the primary reason.

 

I post links so people can be responsible and debate based on facts.

 

Please read them.

 

Did you not see that interview?

 

It may also have been edited.

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3 minutes ago, laripu said:

So do I.

 

Well then we have to go by his statements we found. He has tons of excuses.

 

His first and primary one was his interview where he said that Blue Cross workers were his main concern.

 

So the fact that such was spun to generate the other concerns is secondary.

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I think they are going to hide that Obama interview, at least the Blue Cross portion. I think it was from 2006.

 

Obama Goes To Washington may be the real title.

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Biden can't lie fast and furious enough, but then, fortunately, the stuttering gets in the way. 

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