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My first post! This is some low hanging harmless fruit, I'm surprised after >100 reads no one has responded. I couldn't agree more "No one should HAVE to work if she doesn't want to."

 

I would think you'd know this living in Alaska, 'work' is not a requirement to live in the U.S., or any other country I can think of. Paying taxes is also not a requirement, just live off the land friend. You'll get no grief from anyone, unless you try to live off someone else's land. I recommend the lifestyle of Henry David Thoreau for you, and give his book Civil Disobedience a read. 

 

Not sure what you mean by 'decent means to lead a decent life'. Are you a slave because you have to feed your gut or to breath air? This will require 'some' work. There are endless ways to take care of yourself in the wild without man-made items like bullets and clothes. Living in Alaska though you can get a few of these things with your $1,606 tax dividend (if you chose to accept it). Over a lifetime this is ~$95,000, seems generous. 

 

Anyhoo - since you have a computer and an opinion I presume you have no plans to strike out into the wilderness. Maybe consider mining bitcoin...? Careful though, make too much dinero and the tax man will come looking for you.

 

Cheers!

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On 12/28/2019 at 6:15 PM, JinnMartini said:

And we should still all have decent means to lead a decent life.

REGARDLESS !

 

We are not born to be slaves

 

Much less rats in a rats'  race.

 

 

 

 

 

This idealistic view reminds me of Herbert Marcuse's "great refusal".  It appeared to work well for some people but its shortcomings became evident in the long run and ultimately failed.

 

In my years of working in the accounting field, I did encounter a few highly privileged people who are commonly called the "idle rich".  In particular, the children of people who bought large tracts of land in California, developed those lands, and became billionaires.  Some of their children did not work and, instead, lived off large dividends they get every month from their family estates and trust funds. The net worth of those estates/trusts  well into the millions and often into the billions . There have been other pockets of idle rich such as in Manhattan's Upper West Side along Riverside Avenue, down in Florida, and in Texas among the children of oil barons. 

 

When I do look back in my many years of work I can honestly say I accomplished quite a bit in my time.  Sadly, I did not make much money and today subsist on Social Security.  Yeah, I wish I had the luxury of living in a large country cabin with lots of acreage around me.  But life did not give me that option.  In the 19th century land reformers such Catholic scholar GK Chesterton and distributionists such as Jethro Tull, Hilaire Belloc, Pope Leo, and others taught that lands must be distributed to everyone who wants it.  The Catholic ideal being 3 acres and a cow.  For someone like me who has lived in the Big City all my life, how I wish life had given me the option to own a cabin in such a setting.  That would have been ideal for me. 

 

Thus, while I do believe in some form of distributionism and UBI, I cannot say I agree that no one should not have to work if they don't want to.  However, if life gives them the option, and that's what they want, then go for it.  And if you wish to enable anyone to live that way, that should be your right to do so as well. 

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1 hour ago, manhattantransfer said:

 

 

 

 

This idealistic view reminds me of Herbert Marcuse's "great refusal".  It appeared to work well for some people but its shortcomings became evident in the long run and ultimately failed.

 

In my years of working in the accounting field, I did encounter a few highly privileged people who are commonly called the "idle rich".  In particular, the children of people who bought large tracts of land in California, developed those lands, and became billionaires.  Some of their children did not work and, instead, lived off large dividends they get every month from their family estates and trust funds. The net worth of those estates/trusts  well into the millions and often into the billions . There have been other pockets of idle rich such as in Manhattan's Upper West Side along Riverside Avenue, down in Florida, and in Texas among the children of oil barons. 

 

When I do look back in my many years of work I can honestly say I accomplished quite a bit in my time.  Sadly, I did not make much money and today subsist on Social Security.  Yeah, I wish I had the luxury of living in a large country cabin with lots of acreage around me.  But life did not give me that option.  In the 19th century land reformers such Catholic scholar GK Chesterton and distributionists such as Jethro Tull, Hilaire Belloc, Pope Leo, and others taught that lands must be distributed to everyone who wants it.  The Catholic ideal being 3 acres and a cow.  For someone like me who has lived in the Big City all my life, how I wish life had given me the option to own a cabin in such a setting.  That would have been ideal for me. 

 

Thus, while I do believe in some form of distributionism and UBI, I cannot say I agree that no one should not have to work if they don't want to.  However, if life gives them the option, and that's what they want, then go for it.  And if you wish to enable anyone to live that way, that should be your right to do so as well. 

 

Before  MONEY was concocted and created by the devil, you had all the acreage you wished for around you and you only needed to stretch your arm to get all the food you craved for.

 

Some evil forces are at work here, I'm telling you

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1 hour ago, JinnMartini said:

 

Before  MONEY was concocted and created by the devil, you had all the acreage you wished for around you and you only needed to stretch your arm to get all the food you craved for.

 

Some evil forces are at work here, I'm telling you

 

 

I could never be a Luddite as there are too many people around and we cannot reach out of our windows to get food to eat.  But one thing's for sure ~ I could never say that urban life is better than good old country living.   Yes, I would modify urban life if I could such as reducing the amount of automobiles,  bringing back the trolleys  & trolleybus (also known as trackless trolleys), increase food distribution such as thru more SNAP (the USA's most successful safety valve program in history),  and by replacing municipal police with local sheriffs who are accountable to the people because they must be voted into office.  We could also help relieve the homelessness problem by converting abandoned military bases into refuges for those people.  How I wish it was possible bring these things into fruition. 

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5 minutes ago, manhattantransfer said:

 

 

I could never be a Luddite as there are too many people around and we cannot reach out of our windows to get food to eat.  But one thing's for sure ~ I could never say that urban life is better than good old country living.   Yes, I would modify urban life if I could such as reducing the amount of automobiles,  bringing back the trolleys  & trolleybus (also known as trackless trolleys), increase food distribution such as thru more SNAP (the USA's most successful safety valve program in history),  and by replacing municipal police with local sheriffs who are accountable to the people because they must be voted into office.  We could also help relieve the homelessness problem by converting abandoned military bases into refuges for those people.  How I wish it was possible bring these things into fruition. 

 

BULLSHIT  !

 

Less humans is the key to prosperity for everyone !

 

Wait till we are 15 billions (or more) and alone on the planet  (besides animals bred for consumption)  and see what a man's life is worth !

 

A BIG NOTHING  !

 

Gas chambers are the answer !

Huge and portable gas chambers !

 

Hitler was way ahead of his time !

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Did not see this thread heading towards culling the population, but I suppose that's the answer for anyone who's lost the will to 'live'.

 

No mammal on earth has ever been able to "reach out of our windows to get food to eat" without the universe exacting its revenge of risk v. reward. 'Living' is a contest, an effort and not for the faint of heart. Living isn't 'not dying', it's the pursuit of life, love, sharing; you know "happiness". Capitalists don't desire fewer people, who will they sell to? Left/Liberals are better candidates for population reduction, this is less competition for handouts and programs. I've never heard a capitalist wish for fewer people to sell to.

 

You're free to your opinion but if you bring that portable gas chamber to my neck of the woods bring a body bag for you and your friends. Peace!

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23 hours ago, manhattantransfer said:

 

 

I could never be a Luddite as there are too many people around and we cannot reach out of our windows to get food to eat.  But one thing's for sure ~ I could never say that urban life is better than good old country living.   Yes, I would modify urban life if I could such as reducing the amount of automobiles,  bringing back the trolleys  & trolleybus (also known as trackless trolleys), increase food distribution such as thru more SNAP (the USA's most successful safety valve program in history),  and by replacing municipal police with local sheriffs who are accountable to the people because they must be voted into office.  We could also help relieve the homelessness problem by converting abandoned military bases into refuges for those people.  How I wish it was possible bring these things into fruition. 

 

Just set up publicly accessible gas chambers.

 

All problems solved !

 

100,000 humans is the most earth can sustain !

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On 12/28/2019 at 7:15 PM, JinnMartini said:

And we should still all have decent means to lead a decent life.

REGARDLESS !

 

We are not born to be slaves

 

Much less rats in a rats'  race.

 

  IF you don't wanna work for a living ......................................................... FUCKIN' STARVE.

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On 5/5/2020 at 7:12 PM, JinnMartini said:

 

BULLSHIT  !

 

Less humans is the key to prosperity for everyone !

 

Wait till we are 15 billions (or more) and alone on the planet  (besides animals bred for consumption)  and see what a man's life is worth !

 

A BIG NOTHING  !

 

Gas chambers are the answer !

Huge and portable gas chambers !

 

Hitler was way ahead of his time !

Show us how it is done.. Get in there and get gassed.

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On 5/5/2020 at 4:39 PM, manhattantransfer said:

 

 

 

 

This idealistic view reminds me of Herbert Marcuse's "great refusal".  It appeared to work well for some people but its shortcomings became evident in the long run and ultimately failed.

 

In my years of working in the accounting field, I did encounter a few highly privileged people who are commonly called the "idle rich".  In particular, the children of people who bought large tracts of land in California, developed those lands, and became billionaires.  Some of their children did not work and, instead, lived off large dividends they get every month from their family estates and trust funds. The net worth of those estates/trusts  well into the millions and often into the billions . There have been other pockets of idle rich such as in Manhattan's Upper West Side along Riverside Avenue, down in Florida, and in Texas among the children of oil barons. 

 

When I do look back in my many years of work I can honestly say I accomplished quite a bit in my time.  Sadly, I did not make much money and today subsist on Social Security.  Yeah, I wish I had the luxury of living in a large country cabin with lots of acreage around me.  But life did not give me that option.  In the 19th century land reformers such Catholic scholar GK Chesterton and distributionists such as Jethro Tull, Hilaire Belloc, Pope Leo, and others taught that lands must be distributed to everyone who wants it.  The Catholic ideal being 3 acres and a cow.  For someone like me who has lived in the Big City all my life, how I wish life had given me the option to own a cabin in such a setting.  That would have been ideal for me. 

 

Thus, while I do believe in some form of distributionism and UBI, I cannot say I agree that no one should not have to work if they don't want to.  However, if life gives them the option, and that's what they want, then go for it.  And if you wish to enable anyone to live that way, that should be your right to do so as well. 

WHat if no one wants to work?

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4 minutes ago, Harper said:

I agree,  I think that the rich corporations should pay more taxes so I do not feel pressured or forced to work like a slave 

That makes sense. Someone with an education gets a good job and good pay so they pay more taxes so you can be a lazy bum?

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5 minutes ago, Harper said:

I have an education, but I just don’t want to feel like a slave. 
 

what does Europe have to do with not wanting to be a slave. Everything should be equal. 

Everybody in the EU is equal. You give 60 to 70% of what you make the the Government and one big happy society.

Cradle to Grave care, that sounds like something you should consider.

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