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and comey was going to be arrested and tortured, Obama was going to be jailed, the ig would seal their fate, the durham clown will indicted them all, it's all hunter bidens fault...

meanwhile, back at the ranch,  the only one caught and impeached is your greasy lying preznit.

too funny

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35 minutes ago, harryramar said:

and comey was going to be arrested and tortured, Obama was going to be jailed, the ig would seal their fate, the durham clown will indicted them all, it's all hunter bidens fault...

meanwhile, back at the ranch,  the only one caught and impeached is your greasy lying preznit.

too funny

"Caught"?  lol.  The only thing Trump was "caught" doing was his job.  Aside from being tortured I think Comey has it coming.  Obama, will probably be implicated and Trump being the only adult in the room, will pardon him.

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3 minutes ago, rightturnsonly said:

"Caught"?  lol.  The only thing Trump was "caught" doing was his job.  Aside from being tortured I think Comey has it coming.  Obama, will probably be implicated and Trump being the only adult in the room, will pardon him.

yeah trump got caught red handed which is why he ordered eyewitnesses to not testify and why he hid evidence .

your version of reality does not match the known facts, that trump is the only one busted and going to trial for his crimes. sorry bro but at some point you will have to look within and admit you were hornswoggled by a lifelong cheat.

I understand your reluctance to man up and take responsibility but you cannot deny the obvious, that you are still being played by a clown who has no respect for you, god, or the truth. 

 

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8 minutes ago, rightturnsonly said:

"Caught"?  lol.  The only thing Trump was "caught" doing was his job.  Aside from being tortured I think Comey has it coming.  Obama, will probably be implicated and Trump being the only adult in the room, will pardon him.

 

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Thoughts on the Horowitz Report, Part II: What the Inspector General Did Not Find

Normally, when an inspector general finds significant irregularities and improprieties in one arena and none in some other arenas, we focus on the areas in which he or she finds wrongdoing. After all, we expect things to be normal. So when an investigation finds that things are normal, no action or remediation is required, and it’s a bit ostrich-like to spend time making much of such findings before turning to serious problems that do require fixing.

Then again, normally, the president of the United States does not spend years promoting unfounded conspiracy theories about the subject the inspector general has been tasked to investigate. And, normally, an entire media industry does not commit itself to spinning a massive web of deceit about that subject in what amounts to a long-term disinformation campaign against individuals and government institutions alike.

Yet that is precisely what has happened over the past three years with regard to the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane investigation. Without rehashing the lies in detail, let me just say that they have been copious and diverse and imaginative in their conspiratorial scope, they have been repeated relentlessly, and they have been influential.

And it is thus difficult to discuss Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s findings with respect to the Carter Page FISA applications without disentangling that issue from the many allegations with which they are intertwined.

It is thus important to emphasize the degree to which the Horowitz report debunks the surrounding conspiracy theories. I don’t mean debunk in the way that the Mueller report is said to debunk the idea of “collusion” between the Trump campaign and the Russians. The Mueller report, after all, found copious evidence of contacts, interactions, and cooperation between Trump campaign officials and Russian cutouts and agents—just not enough evidence to prosecute anyone for coordinating with the Russian electoral interference efforts. No, the Horowitz report debunks the “Witch Hunt” conspiracy theories on a far different level—the level of finding that a whole bunch of things alleged to have been done corruptly were, in fact, done on the level, done in compliance with policy for perfectly good reasons, or not done at all.

I reviewed some of these matters in a post the day the report was released. David Kris reviewed the findings on political bias in greater detail the other day, concluding,

I think it is fair to say the following about the inspector general’s report and the possibility of political bias in Crossfire Hurricane: (a) Horowitz did a very thorough investigation; (b) in the course of that investigation he was very much on the lookout for evidence of political bias that could have affected the conduct of Crossfire Hurricane; (c) he searched in the right places at the FBI and the Justice Department for such evidence (including agents’ text messages and emails, and the classified files); (d) he nonetheless did not find evidence of such bias; (e) he did find evidence affirmatively supporting the absence of political bias (including through the presence of evidence that justified various investigative steps and in testimony from FBI and Justice Department officials whose credibility does not appear to be seriously in question); but (f) he did not receive satisfactory explanations for the various significant failures that occurred in the investigation, which leaves the issue more open than it otherwise would be.

A few key additional points that bear emphasis:

  • The investigation was properly predicated and began when the FBI said it began.

  • The FBI did not improperly use confidential human sources.

  • The FBI did not use confidential human sources to gather intelligence on the Trump campaign at all.

  • There is no relationship between the conduct of the investigation and text exchanges between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page.

On some of these issues, the inspector general raises legitimate policy concerns, which I will discuss in a later post. For present purposes, the relevant point is simply that the behavior that has occupied hundreds of presidential tweets and countless hours on Fox News—and dominated innumerable ranting speeches by Republican members of Congress—did not happen. Not that these things can’t be proved or, in Mueller-speak, that the evidence “does not establish” them. They are just not true.

I would not dwell on this point if those who advanced these theories showed any sign of backing off of them. But they don’t. The day the inspector general’s report was issued, President Trump cited it triumphantly for a proposition it decisively rejects: “This was an overthrow of government. This was an attempted overthrow, and a lot of people were in on it. And they got caught. They got caught red-handed,” he said.

In a speech at a rally on Dec. 18, Trump revived the insurance policy conspiracy, declaring before an audience, “We have an insurance policy, we’re in the insurance policy right now, folks. We've been in it for three years that’s what they meant. I mean, the insurance policy is on an artificial respirator because we’re doing awfully well.”

During Horowitz’s testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee this month, a number of Republican senators sought to retroactively morph his undoubtedly devastating findings with respect to the handling of the Page FISA application into support for the broader proposition that the FBI had been, in fact, politically targeting the Trump campaign. This understanding simply does not survive even a cursory reading of the report, which makes clear that the misconduct and errors found were confined largely to the handling of the Page FISA application, were confined to the line levels of the investigation, and, critically, did not involve investigative steps against the campaign itself or against people about whom there was no predicated investigation. It’s a feeble sort of witch hunt indeed that goes after only people against whom the FBI has a proper basis for conducting an investigation and uses against those people only lawful investigative tools.

All of this is not to diminish the severity of what Horowitz found with respect to the handling of the Page FISA application, to which I’ll turn in the posts to come, but, rather, to situate that discussion where it belongs. The misconduct found there, at least not as the report describes it, does not appear to have been part of a coup attempt, an insurance policy or a witch hunt. It was either a spectacular one-off failure driven by the investigative peculiarities of the way Crossfire Hurricane was set up, or it reflects systemic weaknesses in the FISA process more generally. Those are both very serious matters, the latter possibility more serious than the former. But they are quite different from the problem of political targeting of enemies, which is what the president and his allies continue to allege.

To respond effectively to the problem the FBI now has to address, it is important first to understand it properly. To do that, it is critical to stop lying about it—or, at least, to see through the barrage of lies. Otherwise, one might address problems that don’t exist while failing to address those that do.

There’s one more reason to emphasize Horowitz’s debunking of lies: Because they are malicious untruths about real people—ironically, people who are not the folks Horowitz accuses of wrongdoing in this report. These lies have had big effects on people’s lives. I know that, to many commentators, it is all just grist for television and op-eds and the larger outrage machine. But if you happen to be Lisa Page, it’s about something more than that. If you happen to be Peter Strzok or Andrew McCabe, or Jim Baker, or anyone else the president has publicly accused of “treason,” it’s about something more than that too.

Some time back, Baker made an arresting comment in a congressional deposition, “The FBI’s counterintelligence investigation regarding the 2016 campaign fundamentally was not about Donald Trump but was about Russia. Full stop. It was always about Russia. It was about what Russia was, and is, doing and planning.”

The broad significance of the inspector general’s findings one has to appreciate before understanding the findings with respect to the Page FISA application is that Baker was telling the truth. The investigation may have taken steps that the inspector general thinks unwise, thinks should have been forbidden by policy, and thinks should have required more Justice Department consultation. It may have been too aggressive for Horowitz’s taste in certain respects. But it was, in fact, about Russia. It was always about Russia. Full stop.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/thoughts-horowitz-report-part-ii-what-inspector-general-did-not-find

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3 hours ago, harryramar said:

yeah trump got caught red handed which is why he ordered eyewitnesses to not testify and why he hid evidence .

your version of reality does not match the known facts, that trump is the only one busted and going to trial for his crimes. sorry bro but at some point you will have to look within and admit you were hornswoggled by a lifelong cheat.

I understand your reluctance to man up and take responsibility but you cannot deny the obvious, that you are still being played by a clown who has no respect for you, god, or the truth. 

 

Releasing a transcript of the call allegedly exposed as quid pro quo by a whistleblower who may or may not exist, is hardly "hiding" evidence.  The only ones caught red handed are Democrats and their deep state operatives trying to manufacture a crime; and the only ones being happily played by a propagandist media are people like you.

 

Let's not forget who's "hiding" a whistleblower who may or may not exist, that started all these new allegations.  It's Democrats.

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  • The investigation was properly predicated and began when the FBI said it began.

  • The FBI did not improperly use confidential human sources.

  • The FBI did not use confidential human sources to gather intelligence on the Trump campaign at all.

  • There is no relationship between the conduct of the investigation and text exchanges between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page.

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1 minute ago, slideman said:
  • The investigation was properly predicated and began when the FBI said it began.

  • The FBI did not improperly use confidential human sources.

  • The FBI did not use confidential human sources to gather intelligence on the Trump campaign at all.

  • There is no relationship between the conduct of the investigation and text exchanges between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page.

There was no collusion by the Trump campaign with Russia either.  The question you have to ask yourself, would the Mueller investigation still be going if Barr hadn't stepped in?

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3 minutes ago, rightturnsonly said:

There was no collusion by the Trump campaign with Russia either.  The question you have to ask yourself, would the Mueller investigation still be going if Barr hadn't stepped in?

I. Summary of Major Findings

The redacted Mueller Report documents a series of activities that show strong evidence of collusion. Or, more precisely, it provides significant evidence that Trump Campaign associates coordinated with, cooperated with, encouraged, or gave support to the Russia/WikiLeaks election interference activities. The Report documents the following actions (each of which is analyzed in detail in Part II):

1. Trump was receptive to a Campaign national security adviser’s (George Papadopoulos) pursuit of a back channel to Putin.

2. Kremlin operatives provided the Campaign a preview of the Russian plan to distribute stolen emails.

3. The Trump Campaign chairman and deputy chairman (Paul Manafort and Rick Gates) knowingly shared internal polling data and information on battleground states with a Russian spy; and the Campaign chairman worked with the Russian spy on a pro-Russia “peace” plan for Ukraine.

4. The Trump Campaign chairman periodically shared internal polling data with the Russian spy with the expectation it would be shared with Putin-linked oligarch, Oleg Deripaska.

5. Trump Campaign chairman Manafort expected Trump’s winning the presidency would mean Deripaska would want to use Manafort to advance Deripaska’s interests in the United States and elsewhere.

6. Trump Tower meeting: (1) On receiving an email offering derogatory information on Clinton coming from a Russian government official, Donald Trump Jr. “appears to have accepted that offer;” (2) members of the Campaign discussed the Trump Tower meeting beforehand; (3) Donald Trump Jr. told the Russians during the meeting that Trump could revisit the issue of the Magnitsky Act if elected.

7. A Trump Campaign official told the Special Counsel he “felt obliged to object” to a GOP Platform change on Ukraine because it contradicted Trump’s wishes; however, the investigation did not establish that Gordon was directed by Trump.

8. Russian military hackers may have followed Trump’s July 27, 2016 public statement “Russia if you’re listening …” within hours by targeting Clinton’s personal office for the first time.

9. Trump requested campaign affiliates to get Clinton’s emails, which resulted in an individual apparently acting in coordination with the Campaign claiming to have successfully contacted Russian hackers.

10. The Trump Campaign—and Trump personally—appeared to have advanced knowledge of future WikiLeaks releases.

11. The Trump Campaign coordinated campaign-related public communications based on future WikiLeaks releases.

12. Michael Cohen, on behalf of the Trump Organization, brokered a secret deal for a Trump Tower Moscow project directly involving Putin’s inner circle, at least until June 2016.

13. During the presidential transition, Jared Kushner and Eric Prince engaged in secret back channel communications with Russian agents. (1) Kushner suggested to the Russian Ambassador that they use a secure communication line from within the Russian Embassy to speak with Russian Generals; and (2) Prince and Kushner’s friend Rick Gerson conducted secret back channel meetings with a Putin agent to develop a plan for U.S.-Russian relations.

14. During the presidential transition, in coordination with other members of the Transition Team, Michael Flynn spoke with the Russian Ambassador to prevent a tit for tat Russian response to the Obama administration’s imposition of sanctions for election interference; the Russians agreed not to retaliate saying they wanted a good relationship with the incoming administration.

During the course of 2016, Trump Campaign associates failed to report any of the Russian/WikiLeaks overtures to federal law enforcement, publicly denied any contacts with Russians/WikiLeaks, and actively encouraged the public to doubt that Russia was behind the hacking and distribution of stolen emails.

https://www.justsecurity.org/63838/guide-to-the-mueller-reports-findings-on-collusion/

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10 minutes ago, slideman said:

I. Summary of Major Findings

The redacted Mueller Report documents a series of activities that show strong evidence of collusion. Or, more precisely, it provides significant evidence that Trump Campaign associates coordinated with, cooperated with, encouraged, or gave support to the Russia/WikiLeaks election interference activities. The Report documents the following actions (each of which is analyzed in detail in Part II):

1. Trump was receptive to a Campaign national security adviser’s (George Papadopoulos) pursuit of a back channel to Putin.

2. Kremlin operatives provided the Campaign a preview of the Russian plan to distribute stolen emails.

3. The Trump Campaign chairman and deputy chairman (Paul Manafort and Rick Gates) knowingly shared internal polling data and information on battleground states with a Russian spy; and the Campaign chairman worked with the Russian spy on a pro-Russia “peace” plan for Ukraine.

4. The Trump Campaign chairman periodically shared internal polling data with the Russian spy with the expectation it would be shared with Putin-linked oligarch, Oleg Deripaska.

5. Trump Campaign chairman Manafort expected Trump’s winning the presidency would mean Deripaska would want to use Manafort to advance Deripaska’s interests in the United States and elsewhere.

6. Trump Tower meeting: (1) On receiving an email offering derogatory information on Clinton coming from a Russian government official, Donald Trump Jr. “appears to have accepted that offer;” (2) members of the Campaign discussed the Trump Tower meeting beforehand; (3) Donald Trump Jr. told the Russians during the meeting that Trump could revisit the issue of the Magnitsky Act if elected.

7. A Trump Campaign official told the Special Counsel he “felt obliged to object” to a GOP Platform change on Ukraine because it contradicted Trump’s wishes; however, the investigation did not establish that Gordon was directed by Trump.

8. Russian military hackers may have followed Trump’s July 27, 2016 public statement “Russia if you’re listening …” within hours by targeting Clinton’s personal office for the first time.

9. Trump requested campaign affiliates to get Clinton’s emails, which resulted in an individual apparently acting in coordination with the Campaign claiming to have successfully contacted Russian hackers.

10. The Trump Campaign—and Trump personally—appeared to have advanced knowledge of future WikiLeaks releases.

11. The Trump Campaign coordinated campaign-related public communications based on future WikiLeaks releases.

12. Michael Cohen, on behalf of the Trump Organization, brokered a secret deal for a Trump Tower Moscow project directly involving Putin’s inner circle, at least until June 2016.

13. During the presidential transition, Jared Kushner and Eric Prince engaged in secret back channel communications with Russian agents. (1) Kushner suggested to the Russian Ambassador that they use a secure communication line from within the Russian Embassy to speak with Russian Generals; and (2) Prince and Kushner’s friend Rick Gerson conducted secret back channel meetings with a Putin agent to develop a plan for U.S.-Russian relations.

14. During the presidential transition, in coordination with other members of the Transition Team, Michael Flynn spoke with the Russian Ambassador to prevent a tit for tat Russian response to the Obama administration’s imposition of sanctions for election interference; the Russians agreed not to retaliate saying they wanted a good relationship with the incoming administration.

During the course of 2016, Trump Campaign associates failed to report any of the Russian/WikiLeaks overtures to federal law enforcement, publicly denied any contacts with Russians/WikiLeaks, and actively encouraged the public to doubt that Russia was behind the hacking and distribution of stolen emails.

https://www.justsecurity.org/63838/guide-to-the-mueller-reports-findings-on-collusion/

I'll bet you think the Steele Dossier is almost all true.

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia

Britain’s spy agencies played a crucial role in alerting their counterparts in Washington to contacts between members of Donald Trump’s campaign team and Russian intelligence operatives, the Guardian has been told.

GCHQ first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious “interactions” between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence said. This intelligence was passed to the US as part of a routine exchange of information, they added.

Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians, sources said.

The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.

Another source suggested the Dutch and the French spy agency, the General Directorate for External Security or DGSE, were contributors.

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13 minutes ago, slideman said:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia

Britain’s spy agencies played a crucial role in alerting their counterparts in Washington to contacts between members of Donald Trump’s campaign team and Russian intelligence operatives, the Guardian has been told.

GCHQ first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious “interactions” between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence said. This intelligence was passed to the US as part of a routine exchange of information, they added.

Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians, sources said.

The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.

Another source suggested the Dutch and the French spy agency, the General Directorate for External Security or DGSE, were contributors.

So, what's the left's spin on why Trump's campaign wasn't given a defensive briefing?

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To be clear, during the 2016 campaign:

  • The FBI kept its open counterintelligence investigation into the Trump campaign’s links with Russia secret and hidden from the public.
  • The FBI repeatedly violated Justice Department guidelines to castigate Clinton’s email related behavior, leaked about the investigation, and publicly reopened the investigation at an inopportune time without even checking if any actual new evidence has unearthed (there was no new evidence).

Under the circumstances, it is extremely difficult to see how anything that happened could possibly have been part of an FBI plot to take Trump down.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/1/20893222/bill-barr-italy-ukraine-australia-uk

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