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The Founding Fathers ‘did not foresee a complicit Senate’ covering for a corrupt president: Ex-prosecutor Joyce Vance


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In an op-ed for TIME Magazine this Tuesday, MSNBC contributor and University of Alabama law professor, Joyce White Vance, wrote that she doesn’t expect President Trump’s trial in the GOP-controlled to Senate to determined by the facts, since “the Senate (or at least the party that holds a majority in it) gets to make decisions about more than just the facts.”

 

“…during impeachment, Senators sit as sort of supersized jurors who not only decide the facts, but also make the rules,” Vance writes. “For instance, they get to determine what the process will be, whether witnesses can be called, which ones, what the burden of proof is and what kind of conduct by a President rises to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors so as to be impeachable.”

 

While the Founding Fathers knew that there might one day come a time where the removal of a president might be necessary, they “did not foresee a complicit Senate, unwilling to check a President who was acting in his own best interests instead of the country’s.”

 

One of the ways the Senate is providing cover for Trump is disallowing witnesses to testify, and if Trump “is acquitted in a proceeding against him where vital witnesses can’t testify, where relevant evidence is ‘unavailable,’ and where some members of the jury declare their allegiance to the defendant instead of to a fair process, it’s hardly justice.”

 

Nevertheless, even if Trump is acquitted in the Senate, “that acquittal will not exonerate him,” Vance writes.

 

Read her full op-ed over at TIME.

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2 minutes ago, EltonJohnson said:

The Founders foresaw legislative branch harassment, and that is what the Dems have committed 

Yep. They seem to ignore the part where the Democrats charged Trump with obstruction without waiting for a ruling on the subpoenas. That charge will be invalidated the second it hits the Senate. 

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Just now, NeoConvict said:

Yep. They seem to ignore the part where the Democrats charged Trump with obstruction without waiting for a ruling on the subpoenas. That charge will be invalidated the second it hits the Senate. 

 

 

The Democrat supporters here are a microcosm of the entire party.  Uninformed, willfully and arrogantly ignorant. 

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The Republican Party can no longer make its phony claim that it's the "law & order" party. The GOP is the party of "lawlessness & disorder"; the GOP is the party of corruption, criminality and chaos.

 

Trump & the current Republican members of Congress are just the latest examples of Republicans/cons who disrespect & dishonor our law, our judicial process and our Constitution.

 

 

FELONY INDICTMENTS (AS OF 9/17/2018) IN TRUMP CAMPAIGN/ADMINISTRATION
RELATIONSHIP TO TRUMP # PEOPLE INDICTED TOTAL # OF INDICTMENTS # PEOPLE CONVICTED TOTAL GUILTY COUNTS # OF PEOPLE IMPRISONED
TRUMP ORGANIZATION, CAMPAIGN, OR ADMINISTRATION 5 55 5 22 2 (+3)*
OUTSIDE CAMPAIGN CONSULTANTS (U.S. CITIZENS) 2 2 1 1 0 (+1)*
FOREIGN ASSISTANCE TO TRUMP CAMPAIGN 26 153 0 0 0
FOREIGN, DIRECT INVOLVEMENT TO TRUMP UNCLEAR 2 2 1 1 1
TOTAL 35 212 7 24 3 (+4)*

Source: RoyalScribe / @kgoebel, tinyurl.com/POTUSFelonies201809

# of People Imprisoned: The initial number includes everyone whose sentence includes prison time, even if they have not yet reported to prison (e.g., George Papadopoulos). The +[number] represents other individuals who have been convicted and/or pleaded guilty, and whose sentences are expected to include prison time, but because they have not yet been sentenced, we don’t yet know for sure.

Trump Organization, Campaign, or Administration: For every previous Administration, this would be everyone: people who worked with the President before they ran, during their campaign, and after inauguration. For Trump, the loose affiliation of outsiders complicates how we identify these individuals. This section currently includes Paul Manafort, Rick Gates, Michael Flynn, George Papadopoulos, and Michael Cohen.

Outside campaign consultant (U.S. national): These are U.S. citizens were not an official part of the Trump Campaign, but who provided illegal assistance to the campaign (specifically, Richard Pinedo and W. Samuel Patton).

Foreign assistance to Trump Campaign: This includes 26 Russians indicted for hacking the DNC servers and for other U.S. election-related crimes. It does not include the three Russian companies that were also indicted.

Foreign, direct connection unclear: This includes Alex van der Zwaan, a Dutch citizen who has already served his prison sentence, as well Maria Butina, a Russian national who remains in U.S. custody. Both were arrested as part of the Mueller investigation, but it’s not yet clear whether they were involved in crimes relating to Trump, or got scooped up while investigating Trump’s corrupt associates.

For more details about the specific people involved, see People Included in the Trump Data below.

Comparing Administration Felonies

Number of Individuals with Felonies by Presidential Administration

NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS WITH FELONIES BY PRESIDENTIAL ADMINISTRATION
PRESIDENT PARTY YEARS IN OFFICE # PEOPLE INDICTED # PEOPLE CONVICTED # PEOPLE IMPRISONED CONVICTIONS PER YEAR
DONALD TRUMP R 1.7*

7

[35]**

6

[7]

2 (+3)

[3 (+4)]

3.5

[4.1]

BARACK OBAMA D 8 0 0 0 0
GEORGE W. BUSH R 8 16 9 9 1.1
BILL CLINTON D 8 3 2 2 0.25
GEORGE H. W. BUSH R 4 1 1 1 0.25
RONALD REAGAN R 8 26 16 8 2.0
JIMMY CARTER D 4 1 0 0 0
GERALD FORD R 2.4 1 1 1 0.4
RICHARD NIXON R 5.6 76 55 15 9.8

* Through September 17, 2018.    ** Number in [brackets] includes foreign nationals.

Source: Kevin Goebel. DailyKos: RoyalScribe / Twitter: @kgoebel, tinyurl.com/POTUSFelonies201809

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Just now, EltonJohnson said:

 

 

The Democrat supporters here are a microcosm of the entire party.  Uninformed, willfully and arrogantly ignorant. 

Well said...

And then they search the net and find some article or opinion piece from another ignorant Trump hater and repeat it like it's relevant....

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1 minute ago, benson13 said:

The Republican Party can no longer make its phony claim that it's the "law & order" party. The GOP is the party of "lawlessness & disorder"; the GOP is the party of corruption, criminality and chaos.

We don't like corrupt seditious people directing law enforcement or intelligence agencies. Little different from the outright hatred law enforcement seen from some Democrats. 

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ROTFLMFAO!!!

 

 

"""We don't like corrupt seditious people directing law enforcement or intelligence agencies"""

 

 

 

 

FELONY INDICTMENTS (AS OF 9/17/2018) IN TRUMP CAMPAIGN/ADMINISTRATION
RELATIONSHIP TO TRUMP # PEOPLE INDICTED TOTAL # OF INDICTMENTS # PEOPLE CONVICTED TOTAL GUILTY COUNTS # OF PEOPLE IMPRISONED
TRUMP ORGANIZATION, CAMPAIGN, OR ADMINISTRATION 5 55 5 22 2 (+3)*
OUTSIDE CAMPAIGN CONSULTANTS (U.S. CITIZENS) 2 2 1 1 0 (+1)*
FOREIGN ASSISTANCE TO TRUMP CAMPAIGN 26 153 0 0 0
FOREIGN, DIRECT INVOLVEMENT TO TRUMP UNCLEAR 2 2 1 1 1
TOTAL 35 212 7 24 3 (+4)*

Source: RoyalScribe / @kgoebel, tinyurl.com/POTUSFelonies201809

# of People Imprisoned: The initial number includes everyone whose sentence includes prison time, even if they have not yet reported to prison (e.g., George Papadopoulos). The +[number] represents other individuals who have been convicted and/or pleaded guilty, and whose sentences are expected to include prison time, but because they have not yet been sentenced, we don’t yet know for sure.

Trump Organization, Campaign, or Administration: For every previous Administration, this would be everyone: people who worked with the President before they ran, during their campaign, and after inauguration. For Trump, the loose affiliation of outsiders complicates how we identify these individuals. This section currently includes Paul Manafort, Rick Gates, Michael Flynn, George Papadopoulos, and Michael Cohen.

Outside campaign consultant (U.S. national): These are U.S. citizens were not an official part of the Trump Campaign, but who provided illegal assistance to the campaign (specifically, Richard Pinedo and W. Samuel Patton).

Foreign assistance to Trump Campaign: This includes 26 Russians indicted for hacking the DNC servers and for other U.S. election-related crimes. It does not include the three Russian companies that were also indicted.

Foreign, direct connection unclear: This includes Alex van der Zwaan, a Dutch citizen who has already served his prison sentence, as well Maria Butina, a Russian national who remains in U.S. custody. Both were arrested as part of the Mueller investigation, but it’s not yet clear whether they were involved in crimes relating to Trump, or got scooped up while investigating Trump’s corrupt associates.

For more details about the specific people involved, see People Included in the Trump Data below.

Comparing Administration Felonies

Number of Individuals with Felonies by Presidential Administration

NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS WITH FELONIES BY PRESIDENTIAL ADMINISTRATION
PRESIDENT PARTY YEARS IN OFFICE # PEOPLE INDICTED # PEOPLE CONVICTED # PEOPLE IMPRISONED CONVICTIONS PER YEAR
DONALD TRUMP R 1.7*

7

[35]**

6

[7]

2 (+3)

[3 (+4)]

3.5

[4.1]

BARACK OBAMA D 8 0 0 0 0
GEORGE W. BUSH R 8 16 9 9 1.1
BILL CLINTON D 8 3 2 2 0.25
GEORGE H. W. BUSH R 4 1 1 1 0.25
RONALD REAGAN R 8 26 16 8 2.0
JIMMY CARTER D 4 1 0 0 0
GERALD FORD R 2.4 1 1 1 0.4
RICHARD NIXON R 5.6 76 55 15 9.8

* Through September 17, 2018.    ** Number in [brackets] includes foreign nationals.

Source: Kevin Goebel. DailyKos: RoyalScribe / Twitter: @kgoebel, tinyurl.com/POTUSFelonies201809

 

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, benson13 said:

 

 

 

ROTFLMFAO!!!

 

 

"""We don't like corrupt seditious people directing law enforcement or intelligence agencies"""

 

 

 

 

FELONY INDICTMENTS (AS OF 9/17/2018) IN TRUMP CAMPAIGN/ADMINISTRATION
RELATIONSHIP TO TRUMP # PEOPLE INDICTED TOTAL # OF INDICTMENTS # PEOPLE CONVICTED TOTAL GUILTY COUNTS # OF PEOPLE IMPRISONED
TRUMP ORGANIZATION, CAMPAIGN, OR ADMINISTRATION 5 55 5 22 2 (+3)*
OUTSIDE CAMPAIGN CONSULTANTS (U.S. CITIZENS) 2 2 1 1 0 (+1)*
FOREIGN ASSISTANCE TO TRUMP CAMPAIGN 26 153 0 0 0
FOREIGN, DIRECT INVOLVEMENT TO TRUMP UNCLEAR 2 2 1 1 1
TOTAL 35 212 7 24 3 (+4)*

Source: RoyalScribe / @kgoebel, tinyurl.com/POTUSFelonies201809

# of People Imprisoned: The initial number includes everyone whose sentence includes prison time, even if they have not yet reported to prison (e.g., George Papadopoulos). The +[number] represents other individuals who have been convicted and/or pleaded guilty, and whose sentences are expected to include prison time, but because they have not yet been sentenced, we don’t yet know for sure.

Trump Organization, Campaign, or Administration: For every previous Administration, this would be everyone: people who worked with the President before they ran, during their campaign, and after inauguration. For Trump, the loose affiliation of outsiders complicates how we identify these individuals. This section currently includes Paul Manafort, Rick Gates, Michael Flynn, George Papadopoulos, and Michael Cohen.

Outside campaign consultant (U.S. national): These are U.S. citizens were not an official part of the Trump Campaign, but who provided illegal assistance to the campaign (specifically, Richard Pinedo and W. Samuel Patton).

Foreign assistance to Trump Campaign: This includes 26 Russians indicted for hacking the DNC servers and for other U.S. election-related crimes. It does not include the three Russian companies that were also indicted.

Foreign, direct connection unclear: This includes Alex van der Zwaan, a Dutch citizen who has already served his prison sentence, as well Maria Butina, a Russian national who remains in U.S. custody. Both were arrested as part of the Mueller investigation, but it’s not yet clear whether they were involved in crimes relating to Trump, or got scooped up while investigating Trump’s corrupt associates.

For more details about the specific people involved, see People Included in the Trump Data below.

Comparing Administration Felonies

Number of Individuals with Felonies by Presidential Administration

NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS WITH FELONIES BY PRESIDENTIAL ADMINISTRATION
PRESIDENT PARTY YEARS IN OFFICE # PEOPLE INDICTED # PEOPLE CONVICTED # PEOPLE IMPRISONED CONVICTIONS PER YEAR
DONALD TRUMP R 1.7*

7

[35]**

6

[7]

2 (+3)

[3 (+4)]

3.5

[4.1]

BARACK OBAMA D 8 0 0 0 0
GEORGE W. BUSH R 8 16 9 9 1.1
BILL CLINTON D 8 3 2 2 0.25
GEORGE H. W. BUSH R 4 1 1 1 0.25
RONALD REAGAN R 8 26 16 8 2.0
JIMMY CARTER D 4 1 0 0 0
GERALD FORD R 2.4 1 1 1 0.4
RICHARD NIXON R 5.6 76 55 15 9.8

* Through September 17, 2018.    ** Number in [brackets] includes foreign nationals.

Source: Kevin Goebel. DailyKos: RoyalScribe / Twitter: @kgoebel, tinyurl.com/POTUSFelonies201809

 

 

 

 

Republicans don't shelter their criminals from prosecution. That's really all these statistics show. If a Republican fuks up criminally they can't expect their party to shelter them.

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13 minutes ago, benson13 said:

""Republicans don't shelter their criminals from prosecution""
 

 

 

right...right.....

 

NO DOCUMENTS.....NO WITNESS'S

Give it a test Benny...

 

Dems have a history of being reelected after committing crimes

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