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“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.” – William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783

“A principal source of errors and injustice are false ideas of utility. For example: that legislator has false ideas of utility who considers particular more than general conveniences, who had rather command the sentiments of mankind than excite them, who dares say to reason, "Be thou a slave;" who would sacrifice a thousand real advantages to the fear of an imaginary or trifling inconvenience; who would deprive men of the use of fire for fear of their being burnt, and of water for fear of their being drowned; and who knows of no means of preventing evil but by destroying it.

The laws of this nature are those which forbid to wear arms, disarming those only who are not disposed to commit the crime which the laws mean to prevent. Can it be supposed, that those who have the courage to violate the most sacred laws of humanity, and the most important of the code, will respect the less considerable and arbitrary injunctions, the violation of which is so easy, and of so little comparative importance? Does not the execution of this law deprive the subject of that personal liberty, so dear to mankind and to the wise legislator? and does it not subject the innocent to all the disagreeable circumstances that should only fall on the guilty? It certainly makes the situation of the assaulted worse, and of the assailants better, and rather encourages than prevents murder, as it requires less courage to attack unarmed than armed persons..” – Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

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4 hours ago, Imgreatagain said:

“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.” – William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783

“A principal source of errors and injustice are false ideas of utility. For example: that legislator has false ideas of utility who considers particular more than general conveniences, who had rather command the sentiments of mankind than excite them, who dares say to reason, "Be thou a slave;" who would sacrifice a thousand real advantages to the fear of an imaginary or trifling inconvenience; who would deprive men of the use of fire for fear of their being burnt, and of water for fear of their being drowned; and who knows of no means of preventing evil but by destroying it.

The laws of this nature are those which forbid to wear arms, disarming those only who are not disposed to commit the crime which the laws mean to prevent. Can it be supposed, that those who have the courage to violate the most sacred laws of humanity, and the most important of the code, will respect the less considerable and arbitrary injunctions, the violation of which is so easy, and of so little comparative importance? Does not the execution of this law deprive the subject of that personal liberty, so dear to mankind and to the wise legislator? and does it not subject the innocent to all the disagreeable circumstances that should only fall on the guilty? It certainly makes the situation of the assaulted worse, and of the assailants better, and rather encourages than prevents murder, as it requires less courage to attack unarmed than armed persons..” – Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

 

The Founders legislated gun control.  Obviously they supported it.  This ain't rocket science.

 

I remember reading about when Thomas Jefferson suggested a law that gun owners could only keep their guns on their own property. 

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1 hour ago, Scout said:

 

The Founders legislated gun control.  Obviously they supported it.  This ain't rocket science.

 

I remember reading about when Thomas Jefferson suggested a law that gun owners could only keep their guns on their own property. 

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Just now, Blue Devil said:

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1 hour ago, Scout said:

 

The Founders legislated gun control.  Obviously they supported it.  This ain't rocket science.

 

I remember reading about when Thomas Jefferson suggested a law that gun owners could only keep their guns on their own property. 

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Thats what Demonrats do.we been proving it for 10 years now.

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8 hours ago, Scout said:

 

The Founders legislated gun control.  Obviously they supported it.  This ain't rocket science.

 

I remember reading about when Thomas Jefferson suggested a law that gun owners could only keep their guns on their own property. 

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I recall your thread that I destroyed you . Yes. I definitely did that. We all know that you have zero gun knowledge. So - please. Go now 

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8 hours ago, EltonJohnson said:

 

 

You have lost this debate soundly.   They wanted to know who had what guns to be sure they had them ready and working.  

 

you are fundamentaly dishonest. 

 

Not one iota of dishonesty from me

The dishonesty is from people like you that make up words and claim the Founders uttered them.

 

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57 minutes ago, Imgreatagain said:

I recall your thread that I destroyed you . Yes. I definitely did that. We all know that you have zero gun knowledge. So - please. Go now 

 

If this type of fantasy gives you self esteem, so be it.

We know the truth and the TRUTH will set you free! 

 

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Thomas Jefferson and James Madison Didn’t Want Guns on Their College Campus

This 1824 document banned firearms for the future students of the University of Virginia.

In October of 1824, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison attended a board meeting of the University of Virginia, which would open the following spring. Jefferson and Madison had spent not a little time thinking about individual liberties. But minutes from the meeting show that their new school would not extend the right to bear arms to its red-brick grounds.

“No student shall, within the precincts of the University, introduce, keep or use any spirituous or vinous liquors, keep or use weapons or arms of any kind …” the board declared.

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I found more information of which IGA is ignorant:

 

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Thomas Jefferson wrote this into the 1776 draft of the Virginia Constitution, the first such document of a state declaring their independence:

 

 “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."

 

That seems pretty cut and dry until you consider that the second and third drafts of the same document added within his own lands or tenements” to the sentence. It seems Jefferson seriously considered that there should be some limitations on the individual’s right to gun ownership. It makes sense to own a gun for self-defense on your own property, but a different set of issues comes up when this gun is taken into public space.

 

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And the ignorance and lies are exposed.

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5 minutes ago, Scout said:

I found more information of which IGA is ignorant:

 

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Thomas Jefferson wrote this into the 1776 draft of the Virginia Constitution, the first such document of a state declaring their independence:

 

 “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."

 

That seems pretty cut and dry until you consider that the second and third drafts of the same document added within his own lands or tenements” to the sentence. It seems Jefferson seriously considered that there should be some limitations on the individual’s right to gun ownership. It makes sense to own a gun for self-defense on your own property, but a different set of issues comes up when this gun is taken into public space.

 

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And the ignorance and lies are exposed.

whataboutism LMFAO

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26 minutes ago, Scout said:

 

If this type of fantasy gives you self esteem, so be it.

We know the truth and the TRUTH will set you free! 

 

It’s not a fantasy . Ew who would involve you in any type of fantasy? 
this is fact . And I can see you posted the same nonsense that you did before. Why do you do this to yourself? You lost before with it.

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8 minutes ago, Scout said:

I found more information of which IGA is ignorant:

 

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Thomas Jefferson wrote this into the 1776 draft of the Virginia Constitution, the first such document of a state declaring their independence:

 

 “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."

 

That seems pretty cut and dry until you consider that the second and third drafts of the same document added within his own lands or tenements” to the sentence. It seems Jefferson seriously considered that there should be some limitations on the individual’s right to gun ownership. It makes sense to own a gun for self-defense on your own property, but a different set of issues comes up when this gun is taken into public space.

 

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And the ignorance and lies are exposed.

Scout .. poor scout. Just stop . This is the same bs you posted before ON YOUR OWN THREAD. And I went savage on you . Are you a glutton for punishment? 

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11 hours ago, Scout said:

 

The Founders legislated gun control.  Obviously they supported it.  This ain't rocket science.

 

I remember reading about when Thomas Jefferson suggested a law that gun owners could only keep their guns on their own property. 

 

 

 

Uh huh...(nodding,smiling,and backing away slowly)

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