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Almost half of Foxagandas viewers believe baseless Russian claim that Ukraine meddled in 2016

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Most Americans don't believe the GOP’s baseless claim that Ukraine meddled in the 2016 presidential elections, according to a new impeachment survey from FiveThirtyEight/Ipsos. Overall, just 30% of respondents think Ukraine interfered, while 71% correctly believe that Russia attacked the '16 elections. "The theory isn’t even resonating broadly among Trump’s supporters: Republicans aren’t any likelier than Democrats to think that Ukraine meddled in 2016," writes FiveThirtyEight. 


But one segment that has latched onto the Ukraine lie invented by Russian President Vladimir Putin and embraced by Donald Trump and GOP lawmakers is frequent Fox News viewers. Fully 44% of Americans who traffic in the Fox fever swamp of conspiracy theories believe that Ukraine meddled. That same cohort of Fox viewers is also much less likely to believe that Russia interfered in 2016, despite the fact that the U.S. intelligence community, the two-year special counsel investigation, and the GOP-led Senate Intelligence Committee all concluded that Russia launched a coordinated, top-down attack on the U.S. electoral system in the last presidential cycle. 

Chart showing 44.2% of Fox viewers say Ukraine meddled in 2016 while just 56.3% say Russia meddled. By comparison, just 33.1% of ABC viewers think Ukraine meddled, while 72.9% say Russian meddled. Just 10.5% of MSNBC viewers say Ukraine meddled, while 90.7% say Russia did.  

The good news is that the GOP’s Ukraine conspiracy theory hasn’t caught on more broadly among the American public. The bad news is that Trump and his Republican henchmen have convinced close to half of his cultists to believe Putin’s propaganda.

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The Dangerous Propaganda Machine

One thing to note is that according to scholars, Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's propaganda minister, said, “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”


Fox News and other right-wing media are the Joseph Goebbels of today.  Roger Ailes created Fox News to prevent another Watergate-type scandal from impeaching and removing a Republican president.  These media outlets have been using propaganda to poison people’s minds for decades in the same ways Trump has.  They spewed all types of lies and bigotry, dehumanizing various groups, including Democrats.  About two decades ago, as a result of this propaganda, I realized we were headed for the point where we are now.  Trump is just a symptom of much bigger problems.  


Right-wing media, which trends toward authoritarianism, has used the 1st Amendment to undermine democracy, helping to create an increasingly partisan atmosphere since the 1980s.  Democracy can’t survive in the absence of truth, so it’s been easy to see this coming, especially since most of the rest of the press continues to parrot the propaganda.


To demonstrate how powerful propaganda is, I just saw some research showing that a large majority of people believed the impeachment inquiry information.  However, after a week of propaganda, many dismissed the information.  Such is the power of repeated lies.  To counter them, the truth has to be repeated in the same manner.


Therefore, it greatly concerns me that McAdams’s article totally underestimates the power of propaganda.  Without it and social media, Trump could not have survived.

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16 minutes ago, benson13 said:


Free speech isn't "free." We pay for it by having the liars, and demagogues like those above inciting hate and bigotry, because there's a lot of money in it.

And the GOP is a minority party that depends on gerrymandering, voter suppression, and blaming the poor and the minorities to stay in power. Thus the marriage made in hell between Hate-Media and the Republican Party!!!

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Bret Stephens, the rightwinger from NYT, has a column today and says we can not wait for another year, the ConMan has to be removed now.



“because we’ve been living in a country undergoing its own dismal process of Ukrainianization: of treating fictions as facts; and propaganda as journalism; and political opponents as criminals; and political offices as business ventures; and personal relatives as diplomatic representatives; and legal fixers as shadow cabinet members; and extortion as foreign policy; and toadyism as patriotism; and fellow citizens as “human scum”; and mortal enemies as long-lost friends — and then acting as if all this is perfectly normal. This is more than a high crime. It’s a clear and present danger to our security, institutions, and moral hygiene.”

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Oops.....beanie just got PROVEN TO BE THE BEST LIAR IN THE UNIVERSE!!!



Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko told Hill.TV’s John Solomon in an interview aired on Wednesday that he has opened a probe into alleged attempts by Ukrainians to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.


“Today we will launch a criminal investigation about this and we will give legal assessment of this information,” Lutsenko said last week. 


Lutsenko is probing a claim from a member of the Ukrainian parliament that the director of the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU), Artem Sytnyk, attempted to influence the 2016 vote to the benefit of Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.

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