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50 minutes ago, WillFranklin said:

 

I removed it from view.

 

In orde to be instructive, let's go over why it promotes hates of Jews.

 

First of all, it is a lie. The US military does not fight for Israel.

 

Secondly, it uses an unattractive image of a presumably Jewish retiree ordering a soldier. A big hooked nose... which I suppose some Jews have, as well as many other Europeans. But not me, nor any other Jews I ever knew.

 

Moreover it uses a untrue trope: by showing an unattractive American Jew holding an Israeli flag, it suggests that American Jews have divided loyalty; and more loyalty to Israel than to the United States.

 

Furthermore, it pushes a conspiracy theory that the 2% of Americans who are Jewish are somehow in control of government.

 

These things are lies in service of instigating hatred of Jews.

 

The facts are:

- American Jews are over 70% Democrat voters and revile Trump.

- American Jews are overwhelmingly supportive of liberal positions.

- American Jews strongly support the existence of Israel. That is a view that comes from 2000 years of persecution. For a starter, see: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Jews and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_antisemitism.  Please have a look at each century in the latter link, to judge whether or not Jewish support for the existence of Israel is rational.

- American Jews strongly dislike the conservative Netanyahu government in Israel. (But of course they can't vote there. They vote in the United States.)

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And another thing. The US gives massive military aid to Israel, but does it for business reasons. They know Israel is likely to use it effectively in some context, and that this demonstrates that these weapons systems work. That's the best advertising that American companies like Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, General Atomics, and Raytheon can get.

 

US companies sell massive dollar amounts of weapons systems all over the world. The US government gets a cut via FMS (Foreign Military Sales contracts).  See: https://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales

 

US soldiers aren't fighting for Israel. Israeli soldiers are fighting for US weapons manufacturers. The military aid is a tip for that service.

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3 hours ago, bludog said:

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A lot of these aren't really relevant tbh.

 

#1 - His tax returns aren't important to prove he's a billionaire.  We want to see if he's a tax cheat.  Which he probably is, since he admitted as much.  

 

#2. College grades should be somewhat confidential.  

 

#6.  You don't have to serve in the military to be a Patriot.

 

#7. You don't have to go to church to be a Christian either.

 

#8.  The 5th amendment exists for a reason.  If anything, intimidating witnesses would be a better example.

 

The others are definitely true, though.  Especially the bankruptcies.  And it cannot be forgotten that he ran a scam university.

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1 hour ago, Cecelia said:

A lot of these aren't really relevant tbh.

 

You are correct about each, separate point.  But it is no random coincidence that they are all true of this one individual.  Taken together, they paint a damning picture of his character.

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They do, but I think it's better to attack him with more substance.  Especially when there's a LOT of substance.

 

-Donald Trump claims to be a patriot, but he stole $2M from Veterans Organization.

-Donald Trump says he's innocent, yet he won't let anyone testify on his behalf.  Is this what an innocent man does?

Those are cold hard facts that cannot be refuted.

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On 12/15/2019 at 10:20 AM, laripu said:

And another thing. The US gives massive military aid to Israel, but does it for business reasons. They know Israel is likely to use it effectively in some context, and that this demonstrates that these weapons systems work. That's the best advertising that American companies like Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, General Atomics, and Raytheon can get.

 

US companies sell massive dollar amounts of weapons systems all over the world. The US government gets a cut via FMS (Foreign Military Sales contracts).  See: https://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales

 

US soldiers aren't fighting for Israel. Israeli soldiers are fighting for US weapons manufacturers. The military aid is a tip for that service.

absolutely. My nephew is a Petty Officer First Class in the US Navy. They travel around the world sometimes giving these airshows - basically to promote arm sales. 

And regarding Jewish People, especially those who are US citizens, they are usually very smart and typically Democrats who care deeply about justice and human rights. 

I don't appreciate Alan Dershowitz much, but it has nothing to do with his religion. I have good friends who came from Palestine - the ME is basically a mess and has been for far far too long. It's a dangerous playground for proxy wars where once beautify places like Lebanon, Libya, Iran, etc... have been corrupted for oil concerns and little else. 

Israel, someplace I've never been, is beautiful, people tell me. My nephew says it is, and so too are most the people who live there. I have no way of knowing how many citizens in Israel are actually liberal and would prefer that Palestine could become its own peaceful nation state. That much is always in the background due an unending evil that is seemingly perpetuated 

by less than honest brokers who care little for the people who must live there.

 

We sell weapons  - because we devote our tax dollars to weapon manufacturers who build very very expensive prototypes. And truth be told, some senators will say, that's a big part of our economy. But it's not socialism. I guess we must just know what about human needs?

 

Peace!

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