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On 4/27/2021 at 12:07 PM, RickyTavy said:

Doctor Joe?  I've heard a better History and Political Science dissertations from Doctor Pepper.  Hitler didn't call the party National Socialists; it was called that before he took over.  Adolf converted that party into a RIGHT-WING fascist party. Ridding it of socialists was one of the reasons for the Night of the Long Knives.  I posted earlier here a letter from Mussolini, one of the founders of fascism, in which he explains why fascism and socialism are opposed to each other, despite seeming similarities to the uneducated eye.  Further, Doctor Joe show no understanding of right vs left in the first place.  The term "right wing" comes from where people sat in the French Assembly leading up to the French Revolution.  Those on the RIGHT, supported the monarchy.  They were CONSERVATIVES, supporting the status quo.  Last time I looked, monarchies were big government entities noted for their censorship and suppression of individual rights.  Dr. Joe makes the mistake common to poorly educated Americans who see their largely unique debate on stronger states vs a stronger central government as universally applicable.  At that, those in America who supposedly oppose big government, are generally in favor of a big government that enforces or protects their social values.  And, that doesn't even address how their entire pose is a phony pretense of manly manliness and independence by people who would not last five minutes without the "big government" they supposedly abhor.

If you insist on a nutshell description of the terms, conservatives resist change.  They cling to a status quo that has benefited them, normally through inherited positions and privileges.  Conservatives are the waste product of historical evolution (watch for this as a thread title soon).  Liberals embrace change in the name of progress in an effort to form a more perfect union.  They look to policies that help and protect larger segments of society, particularly the underprivileged and disadvantaged.  Historically, liberalism always prevails, eventually.  Deplorables understand this instinctively, which explains their general air of hysteria.

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On 4/27/2021 at 12:07 PM, RickyTavy said:

Doctor Joe?  I've heard a better History and Political Science dissertations from Doctor Pepper.  Hitler didn't call the party National Socialists; it was called that before he took over.  Adolf converted that party into a RIGHT-WING fascist party. Ridding it of socialists was one of the reasons for the Night of the Long Knives.  I posted earlier here a letter from Mussolini, one of the founders of fascism, in which he explains why fascism and socialism are opposed to each other, despite seeming similarities to the uneducated eye.  Further, Doctor Joe show no understanding of right vs left in the first place.  The term "right wing" comes from where people sat in the French Assembly leading up to the French Revolution.  Those on the RIGHT, supported the monarchy.  They were CONSERVATIVES, supporting the status quo.  Last time I looked, monarchies were big government entities noted for their censorship and suppression of individual rights.  Dr. Joe makes the mistake common to poorly educated Americans who see their largely unique debate on stronger states vs a stronger central government as universally applicable.  At that, those in America who supposedly oppose big government, are generally in favor of a big government that enforces or protects their social values.  And, that doesn't even address how their entire pose is a phony pretense of manly manliness and independence by people who would not last five minutes without the "big government" they supposedly abhor.

If you insist on a nutshell description of the terms, conservatives resist change.  They cling to a status quo that has benefited them, normally through inherited positions and privileges.  Conservatives are the waste product of historical evolution (watch for this as a thread title soon).  Liberals embrace change in the name of progress in an effort to form a more perfect union.  They look to policies that help and protect larger segments of society, particularly the underprivileged and disadvantaged.  Historically, liberalism always prevails, eventually.  Deplorables understand this instinctively, which explains their general air of hysteria.

The mythical folks you call liberal have about a 50-50 balance of conservative and liberal positions.  There is no way to define a liberal person or a conservative one.   Because EVERYBODY has both conservative and liberal positions.  You must read message 12 in this  topic to finally grasp exactly how to precisely define a liberal and a conservative position.  You are muttlebrained totally confused at how people's minds work.   The Democrat party has 50 percent conservative positions and  50 percent liberal positions on issues.   And there are issues that most everyone has that are BOTH liberal and conservative positions.   For example, right to do mail.   Most everyone believes that the US Postal service should be allowed to do mail service.   Those same people also favor the right of private companies to do the same.  For example, Fedex, UPS, and DHL are private companies who can do mail services.  Of course, private companies do have to obey liberal legislation.   The issue is simply the right to exist.  USPS exists and that is fine.  Private companies for road service also exist.  But the liberal created International highway system started by the very conservative Ike surely has a right that none of us would like to be terminated in all private roads.   Why don't you see the obvious distinction of what liberalism and conservatism is.   You seem to  understand that conservative positions usually means government has a laissez faire position (leave alone in French).   Don't you see that the ONLY thing important is that you have positive positions whether liberal, conservative, or both liberal and conservative on the same issue.    

 

Please read message 12 here and finally understand what you babble about in positioning.   Clarity of thought is important to thinking.   Dr.joeb is trying to instill truth in folks who love to bathe in foggy notions of reality.   Get real.  

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1 hour ago, Dr. Joe B. said:

The mythical folks you call liberal have about a 50-50 balance of conservative and liberal positions.  There is no way to define a liberal person or a conservative one.   Because EVERYBODY has both conservative and liberal positions.  You must read message 12 in this  topic to finally grasp exactly how to precisely define a liberal and a conservative position.  You are muttlebrained totally confused at how people's minds work.   The Democrat party has 50 percent conservative positions and  50 percent liberal positions on issues.   And there are issues that most everyone has that are BOTH liberal and conservative positions.   For example, right to do mail.   Most everyone believes that the US Postal service should be allowed to do mail service.   Those same people also favor the right of private companies to do the same.  For example, Fedex, UPS, and DHL are private companies who can do mail services.  Of course, private companies do have to obey liberal legislation.   The issue is simply the right to exist.  USPS exists and that is fine.  Private companies for road service also exist.  But the liberal created International highway system started by the very conservative Ike surely has a right that none of us would like to be terminated in all private roads.   Why don't you see the obvious distinction of what liberalism and conservatism is.   You seem to  understand that conservative positions usually means government has a laissez faire position (leave alone in French).   Don't you see that the ONLY thing important is that you have positive positions whether liberal, conservative, or both liberal and conservative on the same issue.    

 

Please read message 12 here and finally understand what you babble about in positioning.   Clarity of thought is important to thinking.   Dr.joeb is trying to instill truth in folks who love to bathe in foggy notions of reality.   Get real.  

Reagan had a very conservative view on many issues.   But he really wasn't a dedicated Republican person who adhered strictly to conservative views.  He was Democrat who had his share of liberal positions.   He passed himself off as a conservative but he was not that.   He had the normal 50-50 balance of conservative and liberal positions.   Folks like to view him as their prototype conservative but he won by capturing the votes of many Democrats.   They called them Reagan Democrats.   

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14 hours ago, Dr. Joe B. said:
On 4/27/2021 at 12:07 PM, RickyTavy said:

Doctor Joe?  I've heard a better History and Political Science dissertations from Doctor Pepper.  Hitler didn't call the party National Socialists; it was called that before he took over.  Adolf converted that party into a RIGHT-WING fascist party. Ridding it of socialists was one of the reasons for the Night of the Long Knives.  I posted earlier here a letter from Mussolini, one of the founders of fascism, in which he explains why fascism and socialism are opposed to each other, despite seeming similarities to the uneducated eye.  Further, Doctor Joe show no understanding of right vs left in the first place.  The term "right wing" comes from where people sat in the French Assembly leading up to the French Revolution.  Those on the RIGHT, supported the monarchy.  They were CONSERVATIVES, supporting the status quo.  Last time I looked, monarchies were big government entities noted for their censorship and suppression of individual rights.  Dr. Joe makes the mistake common to poorly educated Americans who see their largely unique debate on stronger states vs a stronger central government as universally applicable.  At that, those in America who supposedly oppose big government, are generally in favor of a big government that enforces or protects their social values.  And, that doesn't even address how their entire pose is a phony pretense of manly manliness and independence by people who would not last five minutes without the "big government" they supposedly abhor.

If you insist on a nutshell description of the terms, conservatives resist change.  They cling to a status quo that has benefited them, normally through inherited positions and privileges.  Conservatives are the waste product of historical evolution (watch for this as a thread title soon).  Liberals embrace change in the name of progress in an effort to form a more perfect union.  They look to policies that help and protect larger segments of society, particularly the underprivileged and disadvantaged.  Historically, liberalism always prevails, eventually.  Deplorables understand this instinctively, which explains their general air of hysteria.

Are you aware that Hitler himself claimed he was socialist?   What could be more true than what came from Hitler's mouth. 

So, what is a socialist?   It would seem everybody is a socialist because every body wants government to give guidance on social activities like road-building, health care, safety regulations, sewage disposal, public parks, public libraries, public education, infrastructure building and maintenance, EPA, gun laws, ..etc....   You see? we are all socialists because we want big government to care for those commons that we all want but many cannot be done by private interest.   Try to see the big picture for a change.  Picking at meaningless trivia is what fools do.  Look at the big picture at all times.   Forget about picking at grammar, misspellings, dots on i's, and trivial meaningless estimates of intelligence based on trivia.   You can become wizened if you just listen to the voice of reason coming from Dr.joeb.   He prays for all of the fallen infidels....especially for Trump and his foolish minions.   Our nation needs you to be righteous at all times and believe in our way of life set up and often amended as needed by the Constitution first devised for us by the founding fathers.       

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2 hours ago, Dr. Joe B. said:

Are you aware that Hitler himself claimed he was socialist?   What could be more true than what came from Hitler's mouth. 

     

That you could ask such a dumbass question annihilates all your self-fellating, dicky waving claims of intellectual qualifications and prowess.  You are a boring blowhard, trying to live a cyber-life because you cannot face your real one.

 

Your long-winded blather about everything being socialist reflects your need to make everything simplistic, so that your tiny mind may grasp it.  Kinda.

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21 hours ago, RickyTavy said:

That you could ask such a dumbass question annihilates all your self-fellating, dicky waving claims of intellectual qualifications and prowess.  You are a boring blowhard, trying to live a cyber-life because you cannot face your real one.

 

Your long-winded blather about everything being socialist reflects your need to make everything simplistic, so that your tiny mind may grasp it.  Kinda.

Dr.joeb thinks you would have a way teaching teenagers.   Dr.joeb believes in living to the fullest within a person's limitations.     

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1 hour ago, Dr. Joe B. said:

Dr.joeb thinks you would have a way teaching teenagers.   Dr.joeb believes in living to the fullest within a person's limitations.     

And yet, here you are running away from your real life to play Baron von Munchausen in cyberspace in the sad hope somebody somewhere will be impressed with your increasingly absurd, boring, and pathetic boasts.

 

I thought at first that you were just doing some kind of theater, mocking the kind of self-important blowhards who refer to themselves in the third person while fellating themselves on the internet.  Now, I see you are the only one who isn't in on the joke you are.

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21 hours ago, RickyTavy said:

And yet, here you are running away from your real life to play Baron von Munchausen in cyberspace in the sad hope somebody somewhere will be impressed with your increasingly absurd, boring, and pathetic boasts.

 

I thought at first that you were just doing some kind of theater, mocking the kind of self-important blowhards who refer to themselves in the third person while fellating themselves on the internet.  Now, I see you are the only one who isn't in on the joke you are.

Dr.joeb needs no applause from any one.   He is a very happy person with who he is.  Are  you?   He does not need anyone to be impressed.   He believes everyone should be impressed with their own accomplishments, good deeds, and desire to do good for others. 

 

   Closing on 82 years of living Dr.joeb has led a very self-sufficient happy life with normal ups and downs.    His only desire is to bring truth to those who are hopelessly mislead by physicalism.  We are spiritual beings more than physical ones.   The road to happiness is to make that realization before getting wound up on the physical aspects of life.    If you don't love who you are then you cannot love any one.    Dr.joeb loves his life.   After he rid himself of the superficiality of the physical side of life he found real happiness.   Have you?

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2 hours ago, Dr. Joe B. said:

Dr.joeb needs no applause from any one.  

Squeaked by a needy loser whose every post is an absurd long-winded boast.  Oh, "anyone," the way you use it, is one word, genius.  On a site full of anger and ignorance and stupidity and bigotry, you commit the ultimate sin.  You are boring.

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31 minutes ago, RickyTavy said:

Squeaked by a needy loser whose every post is an absurd long-winded boast.  Oh, "anyone," the way you use it, is one word, genius.  On a site full of anger and ignorance and stupidity and bigotry, you commit the ultimate sin.  You are boring.

You are forcing yourself to be a hard core loser like Trump.   Just change your outlook on life.   You are full of baseless opinions.   Dr.joeb composed a poem a number of years ago titled Opinionation.   It is about those folks who spout off opinions without supporting facts that they never seem to have.   Your opinions only hurt you and no one else.  Quit it.  

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10 hours ago, Dr. Joe B. said:

You are forcing yourself to be a hard core loser like Trump.   Just change your outlook on life.   You are full of baseless opinions.   Dr.joeb composed a poem a number of years ago titled Opinionation.   It is about those folks who spout off opinions without supporting facts that they never seem to have.   Your opinions only hurt you and no one else.  Quit it.  

Sorry, but you are just too boring.  If you want any more attention from me, you will have to do something about that.  First, and foremost, you need to understand that only needy asshole posers refer to themselves in the third person.  It is a pathetic affectation, made worse by your even more pathetic need to impress people you will never meet with your self-fellating buffoonery. 

Otherwise, just give me another sad wimpy hiss-and-spit, or more of your needy pleas for my approval, and I am done with you.  Even cyber-space requires some social skills, or this will just be like your real life.

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Good news!   Dr.joeb had his Usage/Age projection paper accepted and about to be published in a major applied mathematics journal. This article gives equations that allows to project when a fleet of vehicles should require replacements to maintain its fleet's mission.

 

  Dr.joeb has been a very busy person the whole of his life addressing real world problems.   His theory is that intention is needed when the ability exists.   So, on and on despite going on 82  Dr.joeb is still planning for doing more publications.    His next article already partially accepted will turn the world of physics on its head just like the process of turning the world of political science on its head relative to liberalism versus conservatism.   Dr.joeb is determined to  bring as much truth as possible in one life time to the world of sciences and mathematics.   

 

At this time Dr.joeb has a physics and optics journal accepting his debunking of  the time dilation equations of Einstein and Lorentz.   He also has formulated the debunking of the relativity equations that claim that lengths can vary according to relative velocities.    The General Theory of Relativity is based on the acceptability of the Special Theory of Relativity.   So, there is a big question mark as to the claims of the General Theory, too.    

 

As we all know the atomic age was based on the equation e=mc2.   So, the power of inexact science shows to be a dramatic historical achievement.   The salient fact is that the General Theory is inexact because it does not take into account that the natural force of Gravity is repulsion and not attraction.  By a quirk the inexact theory produced by artificial reasonable equations has given incredible direction in the application of science.    So we now live in the atomic age.  

 

Dr.joeb plans to incorporate the logic of how repulsion gravity is behind the atomic energy effects that make possible creating almost infinite clean atomic energy.    The truth boils down to the enormous affect of repulsion gravity on unstable particles (like Plutonium) that are unstable due to repulsion gravity and may be broken wide open by the introduction of the cyclotron adding strength to the repulsion of gravity on unstable atoms like Plutonium to bust them wide open in a way that converts much of their mass m to almost pure energy.   

 

What Dr.joeb is trying to explain is that the artificial artifacts of mathematical equations are not reality.  They are an inexact model that tries to highlight the true nature of our physical universe.  The best way to look at it is that the equations are indicators without exactitude.   The main lesson of science whether social or physical is  the salient fact that  nothing describes more exactly physical phenomena reality better than itself.    Artificial equations are not reality.  They are pointers.   Empiric physics should and does dominate scientific knowledge.   Physics is on the brink of tying the spiritual realm to the physical world that we can only know up to the size of an electron with our limited ability to sense reality. 

 

 Dr.joeb expects that dramatic new physics of the world of frequencies smaller than the size of an electron will be harnessed and allow communicating with the spirits of people who left their body to exist in the spiritual form.   Dr.joeb believes there are human forms in the universe who have already discovered and mastered the connection between our physical world and the spiritual one.   

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The GOP is in shambles due to its compulsive dedication to the worst lying president in history who wished to be the rebirth of Hitler.    This GOP of today needs badly to become like the days when the GOP was anti-autocratic and really believed in our way of governing by the democratic rule of law.  

 

Some morons still hoping to reverse the fair and legitimate election of Biden are spending money to count votes in Arizona.   What damned fools they be!   Any one with a grain of common sense knows that the vote was totally legal and binding.   Biden won by 7 million votes.  He trounced Trump good.   Every national poll showed Biden winning easily.  Only the stupid electoral college nonsense made the election look close.   We need to remove the electoral college from choosing a president.   If BIden can make that happen the GOP may have a chance in the next 20 years to restore its reputation from the stench left by Trump and his minions like Giuliani and Barr.

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As long as there is even the slightest chance to cheat an election the GOP will go for it as it is today.   Gerrymandering, vote repression, using foreign influence from enemy nations, and any illegal way possible might happen with the degenerate GOP of today.       

 

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On 5/5/2021 at 1:10 PM, RickyTavy said:

Squeaked by a needy loser whose every post is an absurd long-winded boast.  Oh, "anyone," the way you use it, is one word, genius.  On a site full of anger and ignorance and stupidity and bigotry, you commit the ultimate sin.  You are boring.

You live in a make-believe world.   Get real.  

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Stalin is dancing in his grave over the behavior of the GOP attempting to kibosh voting in the USA.   Insinuating that we are not smart enough to have an honest vote is exactly what Stalin believed.    He was well-known to say "It is not the vote that counts but who counts the vote".   Stalin knew just like Putin that using power could sway the vote.   The GOP is not trying to protect our voting right as every decent politician of the past would do.  They are actively trying to fix the vote using devious ways of hindering the voting process to favor the minority of voters who are Republican.   They know that people of color vote for Democrats by a huge percent.   So, they are trying to make up laws and voting procedures that discourage people of color and Democrats in general.   

 

We are a nation that believes in Democracy.   A carefully designed program for counting votes accurately is in place.   All recounts have shown that only a very small percent of counting mistakes occur in the election process of the USA.   Trump cannot believe that the public grasped his degeneracy and voted him out of office.  He is a authoritarian Communist at heart who believes what Stalin and Hitler preached.   Hitler destroyed Germany's democracy.   Stalin destroyed the USSR's royalty and replaced it with his autocratic brand of Communism.    Trump does not believe in our Constitutional rule of law that depends on votes.   In his degeneracy he has insisted against the obvious outcome of the election that he lost despite losing by 7 million votes.   Trump belongs in prison for his crimes against our great nation.   Patiently , we citizens who love our way of governing are waiting for him to be indicted, tried and placed behind his beloved walls.   

 

There still exist good Republicans who understand the threat imposed on our Democracy.   Both Romney and Cheney are living up to their character.   McConnell tried to convince the GOP politicians that Trump has to be removed from contention for presidency due to his supporting the first insurrection since the 1930s when a group of unscrupulous wealthy criminals tried to take over FDR's presidency in the 1930s with a failed insurrection led by well-known people like George Bush senior's father.   Fortunately, the man they chose to lead their insurrection General Butler exposed their attempt at a coup d'etat.   Due to the wealth and power of the fiends behind that insurrection no one went to prison for their attempt.   Trump believed he could get away with his evil plot to have a successful coup d'etat.   He did nothing but encourage the fiendish morons who staged the Jan 6 insurrection.   He must be imprisoned to protect our nation from future degenerates like Trump.     

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28 minutes ago, Dr. Joe B. said:

 A carefully designed program for counting votes accurately is in place.   

 

Dr. Joe B...are you kidding ?

 

 

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15 minutes ago, XavierOnassis said:

Dr. Joel is wordy, but mostly he makes sense.

 

LOL... Dr. Joe is fraud, like you.   A coward.

 

 

I offered to  debate Joe  on the  statistical anomalies of the  2020 election,  his field, statistics and  math,  he fled.

 

 

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45 minutes ago, Dr. Joe B. said:

There still exist good Republicans who understand the threat imposed on our Democracy.   Both Romney and Cheney are living up to their character. 

 

 

we have reached the point  where   Democrats  now   love  the Cheneys after  hating them for  decades.   Democrats  have no shame, no character,  the hate for  liberty and Trump rules their  lives,

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2 hours ago, Old Mack said:

 

Dr. Joe B...are you kidding ?

 

 

Precincts are run by an equal number of democrats and republicans whose mission is to watch the process.   All recounts done by hand are done the same way.   No recount has ever made a dramatic difference in the actual count.  But in exceedingly close elections there are times when even the small 1/10th of a percent error can change an outcome.  Most of the time the recount shows pretty much the same outcome.   That we even have a recount allowed tells you something about how hard election officials want an honest count.

 

 Democracy depends on accurate vote counting.   Everyone whether Republican or Democrat knows this.   Democracy is the antithesis of autocracy.   Autocracy is communism, Nazi-ism, Fascism, royalty rule, and dictatorships.    We are lucky to have a system that keeps our government reacting in right ways to please the public.   The vote has to be carefully done.  Who is too stupid not to realize that vote manipulation by blocking voters from voting damages democracy?   That is easy.   The GOP believes it is the only way that it has a chance to win elections instead of actually trying to please voters to vote for them by their conduct.   

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4 hours ago, EltonJohnson said:

 

 

we have reached the point  where   Democrats  now   love  the Cheneys after  hating them for  decades.   Democrats  have no shame, no character,  the hate for  liberty and Trump rules their  lives,

No, no, no.....  Cheney and Romney simply are the way honest republicans should behave.   We need an opposition party to the Democrats.  We do not need a corrupt opposition.  Romney and Cheney both have a conscience that tells them right from wrong.  They recognized the moral degeneracy of Trump.   And they deserve respect for their standing up for their moral beliefs.  McConnell has done the same thing.   We Democrats still disagree basically with the trickle down theory that even good Republicans like Romney support.   Dr.joeb read Romney's book recently.   Romney is a trickle-downer.   But he really believes in having honest values.   Dr.joeb likes much of what Romney wrote.   But as long as he believes in trickle downing and is anti-union Dr.joeb will never vote for him.   Dr.joeb likes many republicans that he would not vote for.  Gates is one of the best ever.  And he worked for a few years in the Obama administration doing a terrific job.   Gates thought Hillary was a true servant of the public that stood up for honest righteous thinking.   They worked close together during the Obama administration.   There are plenty of good republicans.  But at this time there are way too many bad ones.   

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1 minute ago, Dr. Joe B. said:

No, no, no..... 

 

 

shut up

 

I challenged you to debate the  statistical anomalies of 2020  and you ran away 

 

you are a fraud

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35 minutes ago, EltonJohnson said:

 

 

shut up

 

I challenged you to debate the  statistical anomalies of 2020  and you ran away 

 

you are a fraud

Where were you when Bush Jr. was declared a winner despite statistics saying that Gore would have won the election if they had not stopped the legal recount?   Were you lying then, too.   Guys like you just do not face reality.   You make it up the way you want it like Trump.  

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2 hours ago, Dr. Joe B. said:

Where were you when Bush Jr. was declared a winner despite statistics saying that Gore would have won the election if they had not stopped the legal recount? 

 

Can you show the statistics that showed Gore would have won?

 

2 hours ago, Dr. Joe B. said:

Guys like you just do not face reality. 

 

I am reality 

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2 hours ago, EltonJohnson said:

 

Can you show the statistics that showed Gore would have won?

 

 

I am reality 

Gore should have complained.   The count was going Gore's way when the US Supreme Court interfered with the legal recount to award  the presidency to the incompetent George Bush Jr. team.   Estimates from those who did the recount came up with about a 17000 vote win for Gore.   Look it up in the internet.   The Florida Supreme Court wanted to go forth with the legal required recount.   James Baker got his GOP stacked US Supreme Court with his friend Chief Justice Scalia to stop the recount and award the presidency to the one who lost it by over 1 million votes.   The reason they gave was that it denied equal justice to one man, George Bush Jr. and stole the presidency from the 1 million more votes for Gore.   That election set the mode for the fiendish Trump.   

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