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Like Brennan said.. Many people go down a treasonous path unwittingly and by the time it is discovered it is too late. Brennan actually tried to coach people on what the right thing is to do. Trump is trampling through the swamp like a bull in a China shop.

 

 

^^^^^ STUCK ON STUPID

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And it all goes back to Fabian Socialism ... which is the roots of the modern DemocRAT"ic" Party.

 

Fabian Socialism was started by communists to further the communist agenda.

and communism is a tool of globalism

These Fabians want a one world government

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^^^^^ STUCK ON STUPID

^^^^Believes in Trump even if he sells us out to everyone by blabbing all our intel.

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^^^^Believes in Trump even if he sells us out to everyone by blabbing all our intel.

 

 

You don't give a damn about secrets, SM. No more than maineman does.

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You don't give a damn about secrets, SM. No more than maineman does.

You don't give a damn about the empirical truth. :D

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You don't give a damn about the empirical truth.

 

 

You wouldn't recognize empirical truth if it jabbed you in the eyes, snowflake.

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Peters Principle applies to Trump. Trump is not smart enough to understand the importance of Peter's Principle. Peter's principle basically says that in any organization the most incompetent are likely to rise up the hierarchy because often they are simply ass-kissers and exhibit outrageous loyalty to their immediate boss. And when that happens an organization collapses due to horrible incompetents making bad decisions. We see the evidence of Peter's Principle in the Trump organization. Trump ignores competence in favor of those folks he deems the most loyal like close family members. He ignores their incompetence because of his and their unswerving loyalty. This situation is often referred to as nepotism. And that will be his undoing. Everyone should understand that Peter's Principle is telling business owners to ignore close friends and family when building a business unless they have real life experience that verifies that those folks closest are in fact highly competent.

 

Dr.joeb has always applied Peter's Principle in his business dealings mostly when hiring contractors. Dr.joeb often gets to like folks who work on his properties. However, he observes carefully whether they do their job competently. If he sees anything incompetent going on, he is unlikely to ever hire that company or person again. To add to the mix often a very competent person or company starts losing its edge from the infirmity of old age, disability, self-serving conmanship, and other possible faux pas.

 

Another interesting Peter's Principle is quite funny. Big profitable organizations often try to seal off their incompetent managers by sequestering them in meaningless enterprises rather than risking costly lawsuits and hard feelings resulting in sabotage. Peter pointed out that there have existed companies who build a huge building with a close to meaningless mission. Then they transfer incompetent managers to this building where nothing really important can happen. That means the company is protected from lawsuits from wrongful firings and incompetent decisions affecting profits.

 

Then there is another funny corollary of Peter's Principle. When identifying a particularly incompetent manager for an important operation they have been known to systematically eliminate competent underlings with transfers. At some point the incompetent manager is left as an isolated point with no support group because the competent underlings have been transferred to another office and the incompetent underlings fired. The free floating point incompetent manager eventually realizes that he is no longer relevant to any thing that is actually productive and profitable to the company. Such managers often seek early retirement. I.e. they fire themselves. Or risk being ostracized by the competent elements within company. They pine with loneliness and depression.

 

Do you see how Trump has systematically run off true competents in favor of friends and family? It is clear that the power in our government is presently systematically planning to eliminate one of Trump's incompetent appointee friends and family one at a time until Trump is left standing alone as a free floating point with no support and virtually no way to make any change to our nation. One by one they will be eliminated. Dr.joeb believes Mueller will do his job.

 

Dr.joeb knows the current situation of our presidency has a funny side but it is also a very serious problem that needs immediate attention by the majority of the smart guys in both parties. Let the impeachment begin!!! Huah!

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How do you see things like Fast and Furious as anything but incompetence, Dr. Joe?

 

For eight years the Obama apologists used incompetence as the excuse for everything that went wrong during the Obama regime

 

Sometimes you crack me up Dr. Joe

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How do you see things like Fast and Furious as anything but incompetence, Dr. Joe?

 

For eight years the Obama apologists used incompetence as the excuse for everything that went wrong during the Obama regime

 

Sometimes you crack me up Dr. Joe

 

 

That's why I call him Dr. Drive-By.

 

 

He runs from debate.

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Perhaps, Chuck would like to go back to the incompetence of the Bush/Cheney administration where the banks were folding and real estate plummeted in value. Home values have increased dramatically during Obama's administration. Even Trump would not want his real estate holdings to plummet again. Why, Chuck? Do you insist that Obama's administration did not pave the way to our economy coming back to life? Have you compared stock market prices to the last days of Bush/Cheney with the ones that Obama left? And, where is Osama Bin Laden today? As you know he got his because of a great president willing to make a hard decision. Admittedly, health care was addressed as well as possible but not the way the public really wants it done. We (70 percent of us) want a universal health care like every other significant nation in the world. We want at minimum a public option expanded Medicare coverage to all. It is the GOP who has stopped our nation from being truly great. A great nation wants its people to have the best possible situation in life. Kudos for Obama who did the best anyone could possibly have done with the mess inherited from Bush/Cheney.

 

Why do you insist on going down with the Trump Ship? Admitted it. You screwed up and voted all wrong based on your own personal imagination. You are full of bunk like every other Trumpster. Your foolishness is not contagious. Most know the real score.

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Perhaps, Chuck would like to go back to the incompetence of the Bush/Cheney administration where the banks were folding and real estate plummeted in value. Home values have increased dramatically during Obama's administration. Even Trump would not want his real estate holdings to plummet again. Why, Chuck? Do you insist that Obama's administration did not pave the way to our economy coming back to life? Have you compared stock market prices to the last days of Bush/Cheney with the ones that Obama left? And, where is Osama Bin Laden today? As you know he got his because of a great president willing to make a hard decision. Admittedly, health care was addressed as well as possible but not the way the public really wants it done. We (70 percent of us) want a universal health care like every other significant nation in the world. We want at minimum a public option expanded Medicare coverage to all. It is the GOP who has stopped our nation from being truly great. A great nation wants its people to have the best possible situation in life. Kudos for Obama who did the best anyone could possibly have done with the mess inherited from Bush/Cheney.

 

Why do you insist on going down with the Trump Ship? Admitted it. You screwed up and voted all wrong based on your own personal imagination. You are full of bunk like every other Trumpster. Your foolishness is not contagious. Most know the real score.

The financial crisis was caused by sub prime housing loans which your democrats created.

 

 

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Perhaps, Chuck would like to go back to the incompetence of the Bush/Cheney administration where the banks were folding and real estate plummeted in value. Home values have increased dramatically during Obama's administration. Even Trump would not want his real estate holdings to plummet again. Why, Chuck? Do you insist that Obama's administration did not pave the way to our economy coming back to life? Have you compared stock market prices to the last days of Bush/Cheney with the ones that Obama left? And, where is Osama Bin Laden today? As you know he got his because of a great president willing to make a hard decision. Admittedly, health care was addressed as well as possible but not the way the public really wants it done. We (70 percent of us) want a universal health care like every other significant nation in the world. We want at minimum a public option expanded Medicare coverage to all. It is the GOP who has stopped our nation from being truly great. A great nation wants its people to have the best possible situation in life. Kudos for Obama who did the best anyone could possibly have done with the mess inherited from Bush/Cheney.

 

 

 

Dr. Joe,

I asked you about Fast and Furious

 

And it seems you want to talk about anything but

 

What's up with that?

 

 

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The gun running operation started under Bush/Cheney in 2006. It was one of the messes Obama inherited from the Bush/Cheney administration. The ATF allowed the illegal straw man purchases to go on with the proviso that ATF agents with Mexican government approval would track the buyers to the sources that set up the straw man purchases. The operation was under the Attorney General's office. The operation was minimally successful because prosecutors under the Attorney General never felt like they had enough evidence to make prosecutions successful.

 

The GOP vultures in Congress seized on the opportunity to attempt to make a fake scandal out of the unsuccessful program to convict the illegal gun trafficking started in 2006 under Bush/Cheney. Obama sensing another one of those make-believe scandals issued executive privilege to let his Attorney General off the hook from subpoena. Who could blame him? Obama was a savvy politician who saw the fake scandal forming among the GOP vultures.

 

Now if you wish the whole story in gory details go to Wikipedia and do a search on Gunwalking.


Fake scandals are the substance of GOP Trumpster types. Witness how many times they attempted that BS on Hillary. Obama was too smart to be fooled by their nonsense. Great presidents know how to side step make-believe scandals.

 

Chuck, go to the Wikipedia to read the whole story in gory detail. Probably, you have no idea of what Fast and Furious was really all about. Fortunately, many smart people figured it out. And nothing came of this bogus scandal.

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Fast and Furious began under Obama, sold guns to drug lords under Obama, and got people killed with them under Obama

This was the secret plan Obama had in place when he told the mad mothers that he was working on gun control "behind the scenes"

His intent was for there to be a bloody shootout involving those guns, so he could use the bloodbath to push for a new assault weapon ban.

His excuse of they didn't mean to lose the guns, only highlights the incompetency
They failed to execute a seriously flawed plan

And, in true Liberal fashion, he blamed BUsh for his administration's incompetence

 

Bush had an investigation going into smuggled guns, but it wasn't called Fast and Furious

And he NEVER caused guns to be sold to drug lords, and he NEVER lost guns nor caused anyone to be killed.

Bsh wasn't trying to ban assault weapons, or anything else.
Obama was

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The gun running operation started under Bush/Cheney in 2006. It was one of the messes Obama inherited from the Bush/Cheney administration. The ATF allowed the illegal straw man purchases to go on with the proviso that ATF agents with Mexican government approval would track the buyers to the sources that set up the straw man purchases. The operation was under the Attorney General's office. The operation was minimally successful because prosecutors under the Attorney General never felt like they had enough evidence to make prosecutions successful.

 

The GOP vultures in Congress seized on the opportunity to attempt to make a fake scandal out of the unsuccessful program to convict the illegal gun trafficking started in 2006 under Bush/Cheney. Obama sensing another one of those make-believe scandals issued executive privilege to let his Attorney General off the hook from subpoena. Who could blame him? Obama was a savvy politician who saw the fake scandal forming among the GOP vultures.

I see *dr*Joe is trying to lie, AS USUAL.

 

He won’t get away with it this time either.

 

First, *dr*Joe is trying to conflate two programs.

 

Bush’s program was called Wide Receiver.

 

Obama’s was called Fast And Furious.

 

They were two completely different programs.

 

Wide Receiver ended in 2007, long before Obama took office.

 

So how can Fast And Furious have been be a mess that Obama inherited?

 

*dr*Joe just LIED.

 

Second, there were huge differences between the two programs.

 

Wide Receiver was an honest but failed attempt to track the movement of guns into the cartels so they could arrest those involved in the transfers.

 

http://pjmedia.com/blog/gunwalker-gunning-down-the-bush-did-it-too-lie/

 

Wide Receiver sought to track and interdict guns being smuggled south using a combination of RFID-tracking devices embedded in the shipments and overheard surveillance aircraft. Wide Receiver failed because of the limitations of the technology used, compounded by the ineptness of its installation and the unexpected resourcefulness of the cartel’s gun smugglers.

Once it was clear the effort had failed and guns were getting into Mexico, it was shut down.

 

Fast and Furious, on the other hand, was a deliberate effort by the Obama Administration to get guns got into cartel hands.

 

They had no intention of arresting the straw purchasers and smugglers.

 

As noted in the link above, unlike Wide Receiver,

 

Fast and Furious used neither tracking devices nor aircraft, ran interference for smugglers with local law enforcement on multiple occasions, and federal agents were not allowed to interdict weapons.

As a result,

 

Holder’s Department of Justice may have intentionally sent more than 12,000 guns into criminal hands in the U.S and Mexico, enough to arm three U.S. Army brigades.

In short,

 

Wide Receiver was botched law enforcement, while the gun-walking programs of the Obama administration were intentionally criminal — and arguably terrorist — acts, arming violent narco-terrorists waging war on a U.S. ally.

THAT is the dirty secret that Obama and *dr*Joe want to cover up.

 

Everyone needs to understand that *dr*Joe’s conflation of Wide Receiver with Fast And Furious is a DELIBERATELY DISHONEST tactic.

 

It has been employed by DemocRATS in an effort to spin the Fast And Furious scandal.

 

Andrew C McCarthy examines this tactic and scandal …

 

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/282606/fast-furious-was-bushs-fault-andrew-c-mccarthy#

 

I was only able to take in parts of Attorney General Eric Holder’s just-completed Senate testimony. But that was enough to see that “Bush did it” is going to be the Democrats’ excuse for the inexcusable “Fast & Furious” operation conducted by ATF on the Obama administration’s watch.

 

… snip …

 

The key to their strategy is conflating two very different programs: Operation Fast & Furious and a Bush era ATF initiative known as “Operation Wide Receiver.” In the questions from Judiciary Committee Democrats (principally, Senators Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer — there may have been others but, again, I didn’t see the entire hearing), it emerged that Wide Receiver began in 2006, when Alberto Gonzales was the Bush administration attorney general. Senator Schumer took pains to describe Wide Receiver as involving the “tracing” of firearms that crossed into Mexico. As we shall see, Wide Receiver’s notion of tracing was night-and-day different from the tracing involved in the reckless gun-walking approach employed by Fast & Furious. Obviously, however, Democrats hope that if they get enough help from their friends in the media, the public will miss the distinction.

 

… snip ...

 

It was left to Republican Senators Charles Grassley and John Cornyn to lay bare some crucial distinctions between to two ATF operations. Wide Receiver actually involved not gun-walking but controlled delivery. Unlike gun-walking, which seems (for good reason) to have been unheard of until Fast & Furious, controlled delivery is a very common law enforcement tactic. Basically, the agents know the bad guys have negotiated a deal to acquire some commodity that is either illegal itself (e.g., heroin, child porn) or illegal for them to have/use (e.g., guns, corporate secrets). The agents allow the transfer to happen under circumstances where they are in control — i.e., they are on the scene conducting surveillance of the transfer, and sometimes even participating undercover in the transfer. As soon as the transfer takes place, they can descend on the suspects, make arrests, and seize the commodity in question — all of which makes for powerful evidence of guilt.

 

Senator Schumer’s drawing of an equivalence between “tracing” in a controlled-delivery situation and “tracing” in Fast & Furious is laughable. In a controlled delivery firearms case, guns are traced in the sense that agents closely and physically follow them — they don’t just note the serial numbers or other identifying markers. The agents are thus able to trace the precise path of the guns from, say, American dealers to straw purchasers to Mexican buyers.

 

To the contrary, Fast & Furious involved uncontrolled deliveries — of thousands of weapons. It was an utterly heedless program in which the feds allowed these guns to be sold to straw purchasers — often leaning on reluctant gun dealers to make the sales. The straw purchasers were not followed by close physical surveillance; they were freely permitted to bulk transfer the guns to, among others, Mexican drug gangs and other violent criminals — with no agents on hand to swoop in, make arrests, and grab the firearms. … snip …

 

In sum, the Fast & Furious idea of “trace” is that, after violent crimes occur in Mexico, we can trace any guns the Mexican police are lucky enough to seize back to the sales to U.S. straw purchasers … who should never have been allowed to transfer them (or even buy them) in the first place. That is not law enforcement; that is abetting a criminal rampage.

 

As Sen. Cornyn pointed out, there is another major distinction between Wide Receiver and Fast & Furious. The former was actually a coordinated effort between American and Mexican authorities. Law enforcement agents in both countries kept each other apprised about suspected transactions and tried to work together to apprehend law-breakers. To the contrary, Fast & Furious was a unilateral, half-baked scheme cooked up by an agency of the Obama Justice Department — an agency that was coordinating with the Justice Department on the operation and that turned to Main Justice in order to get wiretapping authority.

 

By the time Cornyn was done drawing this stark contrast between Wide Receiver and Fast & Furious, Holder was reduced to conceding, “I’m not trying to equate the two.” That is big of him given that the two cannot be equated. But the attorney general seemed fine with the effort to equate them — to make them one and the same — when it was Schumer asking the questions. Expect the effort to continue. “Bush did it” may be a tired defense, and in this instance a preposterous one, but it’s the one the Democratic base loves to hear.

Rather than being the good guy *dr*Joe claims, Eric Holder lied through his teeth about Fast and Furious.

 

Here are just a few of the MANY MORE articles on that:

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/07/holder-expected-to-face-questions-on-hill-about-fast-furious-wiretap/#ixzz1x87RCNk5 “Fast & Furious amnesia hits Attorney General Eric Holder during House testimony“

 

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/holder-claims-emails-using-words-fast-and-furious-don-t-refer-operation-fast-and “Holder Claims Emails Using Words ‘Fast and Furious’ Don’t Refer to Operation Fast and Furious”

 

http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/07/holder-ducks-questions-on-who-highest-ranking-official-with-fast-and-furious-knowledge-was/ “Holder ducks questions on who highest-ranking official with Fast and Furious knowledge was”

 

http://www.humanevents.com/2012/06/07/fast-and-furious-eric-holders-bizarre-house-judiciary-testimony/ “Fast and Furious: Eric Holder’s bizarre House Judiciary testimony”

 

You can see why Obama finally had to invoke Executive Privilege.

 

Holder was being savaged in his effort to keep the details of what the Obama administration did from being exposed.

 

Finally, Fast and Furious ALSO appears to have been an effort by the Obama administration to push its gun control agenda in the US.

 

Obama told the Sarah Brady back in March of 2011 that he was working on gun control "below the radar".

 

The Huffington Post reported that "the Obama administration is exploring potential changes to gun laws that can be secured strictly through executive action".

 

In that context, the HUNDREDS of deaths resulting from Fast And Furious were supposed to be the *justification* for the "executive action".

 

Only problem is that it backfired so the Obama administration had to go into full cover up mode … as they’ve in scandal after scandal.

 

Now if you wish the whole story in gory details go to Wikipedia and do a search on Gunwalking.

LOL! Wikipedia is controlled by the left and almost anything with political implications is spun by Wikipedia to protect Democrats and attack Republicans.

 

And I can prove that a dozen ways from Sunday.

 

*dr*Joe is a FOOL to believe otherwise.

 

*dr*Joe is a FOOL.

 

:D

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Fast and Furious began under Obama, sold guns to drug lords under Obama, and got people killed with them under Obama

This was the secret plan Obama had in place when he told the mad mothers that he was working on gun control "behind the scenes"

His intent was for there to be a bloody shootout involving those guns, so he could use the bloodbath to push for a new assault weapon ban.

His excuse of they didn't mean to lose the guns, only highlights the incompetency

They failed to execute a seriously flawed plan

And, in true Liberal fashion, he blamed BUsh for his administration's incompetence

 

Bush had an investigation going into smuggled guns, but it wasn't called Fast and Furious

And he NEVER caused guns to be sold to drug lords, and he NEVER lost guns nor caused anyone to be killed.

Bsh wasn't trying to ban assault weapons, or anything else.

Obama was

That was a state run operation, Specifically, Arizona.

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Apparently Obama's administration did a good job in finally putting El Chapo away. One might surmise that the Obama war on drugs had some major successes despite the corrupt Mexican government. The drug war is not over yet. It is fueled by lots of foolish people who use illegal drugs in our nation.

 

Every time an international incident occurs during a good administration like Obama's the GOP vultures come out of the woodwork trying to find a scandal where there is none. It is the way the GOP works. Karl Rove wrote the book on making up fake scandals. One of his tricks is to accuse the enemy (democrats) of the sins that the GOP politicians committed. The best example is the S&L debacle caused by Reagan economic policy in deregulating S&Ls. 2000 S&Ls went bankrupt at the expense of the taxpayers. The FDICC paid for the bankruptcies out of the taxpayer's pockets. Bogus projects to get outrageous loans from S&Ls were made fluently causing huge S&L losses and eventual bankruptcies. Investigative reporters wrote the book titled "Inside Job" explaining how Reagan's foolish deregulation resulted in huge losses to taxpayers. The winners in looting the S&Ls were criminals like Jeb and Neil Bush, for example. So, using Rovian strategy the GOP applied Rovian tactics by trying to prove guilt on the Clintons for the White Water S&L bankruptcy that involved the Bush Bros. The strategy worked, unfortunately, Many thought the Clintons were S&L crooks instead of the Bushes. The Karl Rove strategy took the heat off of the real slime behind the raping of our S&Ls. Guys like Jeb and Neil Bush were knee deep in the real scandal. Clinton's had nothing whatsoever to do with it. But accusing them took the heat off of the Bush Bros who actually were put on probation by courts for S&L improprieties. Both Neil and Jeb were put on probation and disallowed from having anything to do with financial deals involving the federal government for their involvement in the S&L thievery for several years. They only escaped prison terms because their father was president. Milken and Keating paid the full price for their roles in the S&L scandal.

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Like I said, He gave you a once over and dismissed you. :D

 

 

Notice this ^^^^^ FOOL, too?

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Notice this ^^^^^ FOOL, too?

Are you having trouble being rejected? Surprising since I'd thought you'd have a lot of experience with it considering your total dedication to your own ego. :D

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That was a state run operation, Specifically, Arizona.

 

 

Are you arguing with me or Dr. Joe?

 

In either case, the answer is negative

It was ATF, which is Treasury, which is federal, who ORDERED the sales to go through over the objections of the gun store owners.

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Are you arguing with me or Dr. Joe?

 

In either case, the answer is negative

It was ATF, which is Treasury, which is federal, who ORDERED the sales to go through over the objections of the gun store owners.

What was the AG's name?? Holder??

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