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I don't see Trump being able to fix the economy. Made and bought in america might create some jobs but with global economy good luck. GOP will kill any good proposals like infrastructure with their self imposed budget balancing efforts. Hillary would have done no better with Wall Street in her pocket and trying to balance budgets. Tough nut fixing an economy.

 

I read thru your posts and appreciate the independent thinking. You do seem to slam all the republicans consistently and give a pass to the democrats, even Hillary, suggesting you're a democrat. Nonetheless great and educational about the topic of liberal and conservative. As an independent it's tough... well... almost impossible to find discussions that are not severely bias one side or the other RNC vs DNC.

 

Sacking Reagan and Bush for running deficits is flat out wrong. You need to understand how fiat money works. Look at Clinton, economy was doing great while running deficits until he tried to balance the budget.
Why don't you read up on some MMT. Deficits and Low Taxes are good. A quick lesson below by one of the founders. A little rough on the audio but hopefully may interest you. Clear your mind, you're going to need it to wrap your head around it.

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Yikes Dr. Joe B. I can't read anymore. All the put downs of republicans ... KKK, uneducated manual laborers, stupid voters. Isn't it obvious many voted for Trump wanted a political outsider, non establishment, someone who might reform Washington, and maybe create some jobs along the way.


Geez. Why is it every time I follow someone of seemingly an independent mind, politics have in some way have corrupted them.


Maybe we're all basically brainwashed to some extent in the US for the foreseeable with only two parties two chose from. The majority of citizens are obviously too bias. A parliamentary system with multiple parties and factions might be something to be admired just about now.


You're welcome for the education on MMT. Too bad I ran out of gas reading you're postings. There were many with a good amount of history and knowledge there. I guess we can all blame the media and our respective parties for the brainwashing.

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Welcome top the fray, petersamperos
I've enjoyed reading your posts
I hope you stick around

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Yikes Dr. Joe B. I can't read anymore. All the put downs of republicans ... KKK, uneducated manual laborers, stupid voters. Isn't it obvious many voted for Trump wanted a political outsider, non establishment, someone who might reform Washington, and maybe create some jobs along the way.
Geez. Why is it every time I follow someone of seemingly an independent mind, politics have in some way have corrupted them.
Maybe we're all basically brainwashed to some extent in the US for the foreseeable with only two parties two chose from. The majority of citizens are obviously too bias. A parliamentary system with multiple parties and factions might be something to be admired just about now.
You're welcome for the education on MMT. Too bad I ran out of gas reading you're postings. There were many with a good amount of history and knowledge there. I guess we can all blame the media and our respective parties for the brainwashing.

 

3 million more people voted for HRC than DJT

 

unless you believe in those 5 million illegal votes

 

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Drjoeb has taken a short rest from posting while awaiting the sorting out of the new president's agenda. It is too early to tell whether Trump will back down on some of his moronic ideas like building a wall. Worse yet, Drjoeb fears that Trump will treat war cavalierly as though it is some kind of political game. Trump, like Bush jr., was never much of a warrior himself but seems to have reverence for the warrior type military man. Some of his appointments are real scary. Some make no sense like the one of Devos who has no connection whatsoever with public education.

 

Dr.joeb believes that the FBI and CIA are doing a thorough undercover investigation of the Putin connection to the election. It is clear that Trump's US citizen colluders have had extensive dealings with the Russian government. All the FBI and CIA have to do is find a way to prove that Trump knew they were conspiring with Putin to influence the election. Once they have enough evidence there is no doubt one of the good GOP guys like McCain or Issa will start the ball rolling to impeachment. Dr.joeb does not believe that Trump will survive the next 4 years. But then, he didn't believe that Trump would actually win the election either, if he really did.

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3 million more people voted for HRC than DJT

So 5x5, do you believe that the national champions in sports should be based on who scores the most posts in total during the year?

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Definition of liberal
  1. 1a : of, relating to, or based on the liberal arts <liberal education>b archaic : of or befitting a man of free birth

  2. 2a : marked by generosity : openhanded <a liberal giver>b : given or provided in a generous and openhanded way <a liberal meal>c : ample, full

  3. 3 obsolete : lacking moral restraint : licentious

  4. 4 : not literal or strict : loose <a liberal translation>

  5. 5 : broad-minded; especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms

  6. 6a : of, favoring, or based upon the principles of liberalismb capitalized : of or constituting a political party advocating or associated with the principles of political liberalism; especially : of or constituting a political party in the United Kingdom associated with ideals of individual especially economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives

liberally play \ˈli-b(ə-)rə-lē\ adverb
liberalness

noun

 

Definition of liberalism
  1. 1 : the quality or state of being liberal

  2. 2a often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianityb : a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard (see gold standard 1)c : a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy (see autonomy 2) of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties; specifically : such a philosophy that considers government as a crucial instrument for amelioration of social inequities (such as those involving race, gender, or class)d capitalized : the principles and policies of a Liberal (see 1liberal 6b) party

liberalist play \ˈli-b(ə-)rə-list\ noun or adjective
liberalistic play \ˌli-b(ə-)rə-ˈli-stik\ adjective
Definition of conservative
  1. 1 : preservative

  2. 2a : of or relating to a philosophy of conservatismb capitalized : of or constituting a political party professing the principles of conservatism: such as (1) : of or constituting a party of the United Kingdom advocating support of established institutions (2) : progressive conservative

  3. 3a : tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions : traditional <conservative policies>b : marked by moderation or caution <a conservative estimate>c : marked by or relating to traditional norms of taste, elegance, style, or manners <a conservative suit> <a conservative architectural style>

  4. 4 : of, relating to, or practicing Conservative Judaism

conservatively adverb
conservativeness noun

 

 

Definition of conservatism
  1. 1 capitalized a : the principles and policies of a Conservative partyb : the Conservative party

  2. 2a : disposition in politics to preserve what is establishedb : a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change; specifically : such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (as retirement income or health-care coverage)

  3. 3 : the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change <religious conservatism> <cultural conservatism>

 

 

 

 

If you have issues with the above? Take it up with Noah Webster.

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The real defining line is whose money you want to spend.

 

Yours, or someone else's.

 

L's always deal in money that isn't theirs

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Money is not more important than our nation living according to our principles. Money and good economy flows from having an honest working set of principles. We became the richest most powerful nation in the world mainly because of our governing principles. To put filthy lucre ahead of them is a sure way to destroy our way of life. Most of our founding fathers understood the importance of setting up a government for the people and by the people.

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The real defining line is whose money you want to spend.

 

Yours, or someone else's.

 

L's always deal in money that isn't theirs

tell me what you known about the cumberland road

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Drjoeb would like to share his Facebook message composed today. He usually tailors messages to this forum. So, it will not be an exact quote. This message applies to the current Trump situation.

 

Does anyone believe that Trump had no knowledge or actions in the Russian attempts to ridicule our beloved democracy? Sessions will be the next to get a well-deserved attempt at removing him from his appointment like what happened to Flynn. But there will be more and very possibly an attempt to impeach Trump. He has huge financial investments in Russia. His son admitted that a long time ago before the election. Trump's connection to Russia is very suspicious to say the least.

 

Could Trump have played the Russian card for his own benefits? He refuses to allow his income tax to be viewed publicly. Why? All of this was known before the election. Why was it not divulged openly and often to the public by the media like every other honest candidate for president? Now the press is doing its job better late than never. The FBI clearly helped Trump for no good reason due to their GOP appointee Comey reopening email investigations against the ethics of the FBI in the week before the election. The FBI now appears to be attempting to make up for their behavior. No doubt the CIA is busily doing ar secret investigation on the connection of Trump and Putin. And they will keep it secret until they have definite proof of the conspiracy of Trump and his followers with Putin.

 

Trump must be quaking in his boots now. His teleprompter motherhood speech no doubt composed by his very worried team has already been ridiculed by MSNBC. Al Franken added his thoughts to the mix admirably, too. The Trump speech was not Trump. It was a sanitized version. It was contrived motherhood type speech waving flags with glowing generalities of how he plans to make "America Great Again" suggesting that it lost its greatness some how. If it did, then it wasn't Obama who did it. No doubt the Bush Jr. administration devastated some of our greatness. Obama did a marvelous job of restoring our nation to any lost greatness. We became way better than ever under Obama. Trump can only mess up the legacy of greatness restored by Obama.

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Drjoeb would like to share his Facebook message composed today. He usually tailors messages to this forum. So, it will not be an exact quote. This message applies to the current Trump situation.

 

Does anyone believe that Trump had no knowledge or actions in the Russian attempts to ridicule our beloved democracy? Sessions will be the first to get a well-deserved attempt at removing him from his appointment. But there will be more and very possibly an attempt to impeach Trump. He has huge financial investments in Russia. His son admitted that a long time ago before the election. Trump's connection to Russia is very suspicious to say the least.

 

Could Trump have played the Russian card for his own benefits? He refuses to allow his income tax to be viewed publicly. Why? All of this was known before the election. Why was it not divulged openly and often to the public by the media like every other honest candidate for president? Now the press is doing its job better late than never. The FBI clearly helped Trump for no good reason due to their GOP appointee Comey reopening email investigations against the ethics of the FBI in the week before the election. The FBI now appears to be attempting to make up for their behavior. No doubt the CIA is busily doing ar secret investigation on the connection of Trump and Putin. And they will keep it secret until they have definite proof of the conspiracy of Trump and his followers with Putin.

 

Trump must be quaking in his boots now. His teleprompter motherhood speech no doubt composed by his very worried team has already been ridiculed by MSNBC. Al Franken added his thoughts to the mix admirably, too. The Trump speech was not Trump. It was a sanitized version. It was contrived motherhood type speech waving flags with glowing generalities of how he plans to make "America Great Again" suggesting that it lost its greatness some how. If it did, then it wasn't Obama who did it. No doubt the Bush Jr. administration devastated some of our greatness. Obama did a marvelous job of restoring our nation to any lost greatness. We became way better than ever under Obama. Trump can only mess up the legacy of greatness restored by Obama.

Post fail Joe Bob.

 

All this rhetoric is all over the forum...yours is the same.

 

 

Here's a leftist journalist...process it however you want to Big Joe...

 

 

"The editor of The New Yorker, David Remnick, says that the Russians weren't trying to aid Trump's campaign; he says they were trying to destabilize Hillary's inevitable presidency. His contention is that, like everyone in the media, the Russians thought that Secretary Clinton was going to be the 45th president, and the hacks and leaks they released were intended to damage her leadership. Remnick says that the Russians are actually now fearful of Trump's off-the-cuff attitudes and that "there's a lot of buyer's remorse." This totally flies in the face of the liberal narrative that the Russians essentially put President Trump in the Oval Office."

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Post fail Joe Bob.

 

All this rhetoric is all over the forum...yours is the same.

 

 

Here's a leftist journalist...process it however you want to Big Joe...

 

 

"The editor of The New Yorker, David Remnick, says that the Russians weren't trying to aid Trump's campaign; he says they were trying to destabilize Hillary's inevitable presidency. His contention is that, like everyone in the media, the Russians thought that Secretary Clinton was going to be the 45th president, and the hacks and leaks they released were intended to damage her leadership. Remnick says that the Russians are actually now fearful of Trump's off-the-cuff attitudes and that "there's a lot of buyer's remorse." This totally flies in the face of the liberal narrative that the Russians essentially put President Trump in the Oval Office."

 

BZZZT!!!!

NO Link + personreal = More-Than-Likely EDITED!!

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It was contrived motherhood type speech waving flags with glowing generalities of how he plans to make "America Great Again" suggesting that it lost its greatness some how. If it did, then it wasn't Obama who did it. No doubt the Bush Jr. administration devastated some of our greatness.

 

 

So you don't know if America lost its greatness or not, but if it did, it wasn't Obama!

 

LOLOLOL

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Drjoeb would like to share his Facebook message composed today. He usually tailors messages to this forum. So, it will not be an exact quote. This message applies to the current Trump situation.

 

Does anyone believe that Trump had no knowledge or actions in the Russian attempts to ridicule our beloved democracy? Sessions will be the next to get a well-deserved attempt at removing him from his appointment like what happened to Flynn. But there will be more and very possibly an attempt to impeach Trump. He has huge financial investments in Russia. His son admitted that a long time ago before the election. Trump's connection to Russia is very suspicious to say the least.

 

Could Trump have played the Russian card for his own benefits? He refuses to allow his income tax to be viewed publicly. Why? All of this was known before the election. Why was it not divulged openly and often to the public by the media like every other honest candidate for president? Now the press is doing its job better late than never. The FBI clearly helped Trump for no good reason due to their GOP appointee Comey reopening email investigations against the ethics of the FBI in the week before the election. The FBI now appears to be attempting to make up for their behavior. No doubt the CIA is busily doing ar secret investigation on the connection of Trump and Putin. And they will keep it secret until they have definite proof of the conspiracy of Trump and his followers with Putin.

 

Trump must be quaking in his boots now. His teleprompter motherhood speech no doubt composed by his very worried team has already been ridiculed by MSNBC. Al Franken added his thoughts to the mix admirably, too. The Trump speech was not Trump. It was a sanitized version. It was contrived motherhood type speech waving flags with glowing generalities of how he plans to make "America Great Again" suggesting that it lost its greatness some how. If it did, then it wasn't Obama who did it. No doubt the Bush Jr. administration devastated some of our greatness. Obama did a marvelous job of restoring our nation to any lost greatness. We became way better than ever under Obama. Trump can only mess up the legacy of greatness restored by Obama.

I am convinced RussiaGate was planned.. with option A or B. Unfortunately plan B was chosen by the people

 

Cons say Obama set a trap.. some cry praise.. some cry foul..

 

Trump should be asking for Sessions resignation right now as you read this.

 

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At this time Dr.joeb is busily expressing his views on the Trump illegitimate presidency on Facebook. Here is a paraphrase of today's facebook message. It should open up eyes of those who still don't understand the mindset of the psychopathic Trump. He has no ethics. He believes like way too many other GOP types that anything goes as long as you can win. Winning is everything. Ethical behavior is irrelevant to Trump-like people. Not all GOP guys are like Trump. In fact, Dr.joeb has characterized Trump as more a bad Democrat who sold out his soul to the devil a long time ago. Prior to him being shocked by actually winning a presidency he was a luke-warm type of Democrat subscribing to most all of the usual Democrat positions. Like a chameleon he changed colors to be what ever wins regardless of ideology.

 

Here is the message composed by Dr.joeb on Facebook that addresses Trump's current bad tired worn-out Karl Rove strategy.

 

FACEBOOK PARAPHRASE: Trump is reading the Karl Rove playbook. One play used by the most corrupt GOP types has been to accuse the accuser of the same thing or something slightly different but similar regardless of truth to divert attention away from your own wrongdoing. For example, Karl Rove knew that the weak spot in the George Bush Jr.'s quest for a presidency in 2000 was his family's involvement in the Federal S&L deregulation swindle of the US public. Both Jeb and Neil Bush had their hands dirty in the S&L swindle of the public. Both were put on probation for their part in the swindle rather than given jail terms like so many other mainly Wall street guys. Having a president for a father helped their cause considerably. Jeb did his swindling involvement at the Broward S&L in Florida while Neil did it in the Silverado S&L in Colorado. Both were slapped on the wrist and given probation and told by the courts that they could not have involvement in financing for a few years.

 

So, how did Karl Rove address this situation. He orchestrated an investigation into the Clinton's for their losses at the White Water S&L bankruptcy. Eight years of investigation proved only that the Clinton's lost about 40,000 from their life savings in the White Water bankruptcy. The investigation went on for 8 years keeping the real culprits in the Bush family under the radar. The ploy worked and took the heat off of the George Bush Jr. who had also been involved in a stock swindle involving Middle East oil bankruptcy. The rest is history. No one seemed to know the involvement of the Bush family in swindling the tax payers with unethical business dealings.

 

Trump surely understands the Karl Rove strategy. He knows that his best defense against wrongdoing of colluding with the Russian government to subvert our democratic election is best addressed by making a false claim against Obama for wire tapping. He fabricated a false crime to divert attention from his wrongdoings. But do not put it past Trump to have rigged a wire tap in his own buildings to make it look like it could have happened. His followers will want to believe his BS once again because they do not understand the mindset of Trump. Had they read Trump's confessions in his own published biographical books they would understand that Trump has no ethics other than anything goes to win. Recall how he explained that he was brought up by his father who made him believe that they only thing that is important is to win regardless of what it takes. Trump engaged in unethical behavior throughout his business dealings. He takes delight in his biographical accounts of how he fooled people with lies of commission and omission both.

 

Dr.joeb might add that the Rove strategy was applied against Hillary for many years going back to the 1990s. The strategists in the GOP cooked up numerous false investigations on Hillary to even include her possible involvement in murdering Bill's best friend who committed suicide. They attacked her for the White Water savings and loan with that 8 year investigation that cost the taxpayers plenty but proved only that Bill was a philanderer. Hillary was never like Bill. She has always been squeaky clean. Then there was the Libyan deaths to our ambassador staff that was caused by terrorists and not Hillary. Yet, they found a way to blame the few deaths on Hillary while they never mentioned that over 60 state department embassy people were killed in terrorists actions in 13 embassies during GOP administrations that were never investigated. So what was behind their huge attempt to implicate Hillary in Ben Ghazi? It was GOP strategists applying the Karl Rove rule that whatever you are guilty of you must accused your accusers of some sort of similar crime to take the heat of your own wrongdoing. Trump knows that technique now. Possibly, his unethical advisors explained it to him. And you know that he would be very receptive to making up a lie to win the day some how. It is his lack of character that makes anything possible.

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February 23, 2017

"Bannon repeatedly used the phrase economic nationalism and posited that Trump’s withdrawal from the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement was “one of the most pivotal moments in modern American history.”

 

Nigel Farage, the British politician who led the successful Brexit movement in the United Kingdom to withdraw from the European Union, said in an interview at the conference that Bannon has the right vision to reorder world powers.

 

“I’ve never met anyone in my life who has such focus and is so clear in the direction that he intends to go in,” Farage said. “Steve is the person with an international perspective on all of this. He’s got a good feel for the direction that he wants to see across the West.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/top-wh-strategist-vows-a-daily-fight-for-deconstruction-of-the-administrative-state/2017/02/23/03f6b8da-f9ea-11e6-bf01-d47f8cf9b643_story.html?utm_term=.91e479729dc2

 

 

 

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February 25, 2017

"The US billionaire who helped bankroll Donald Trump’s campaign for the presidency played a key role in the campaign for Britain to leave the EU, the Observer has learned.

 

It has emerged that Robert Mercer, a hedge-fund billionaire, who helped to finance the Trump campaign and who was revealed this weekend as one of the owners of the rightwing Breitbart News Network, is a long-time friend of Nigel Farage. He directed his data analytics firm to provide expert advice to the Leave campaign on how to target swing voters via Facebook – a donation of services that was not declared to the electoral commission.

 

Cambridge Analytica, an offshoot of a British company, SCL Group, which has 25 years’ experience in military disinformation campaigns and “election management”, claims to use cutting-edge technology to build intimate psychometric profiles of voters to find and target their emotional triggers. Trumps team paid the firm more than $6M (£4.8m) to target swing voters, and it has now emerged that Mercer also introduced the firm – in which he has a major stake – to Farage.

 

The strategy involved harvesting data from people’s Facebook and other social media profiles and then using machine learning to “spread” through their networks.

 

Mercer – and his daughter Rebekah – are emerging as key figures in the ascendancy of Trump and, as the Observer details today, the strategic disruption of the mainstream media.

 

As well as financing Trump’s campaign, he encouraged Trump to take on two key advisersSteve Bannon and Kellyanne Conway – and on Saturday the Washington Post revealed him as one of the owners of Breitbart. Bannon’s role within the Trump administration is being increasingly examined but, until now, Mercers connection has escaped the same sort of close scrutiny – particularly with regard to the media."

https://www.theguard...ped-back-brexit

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After 12 years of political blogging close to 7 or 8000 political messages on liberalism versus conservatism there is very little that Dr.joeb has not heard about political strategy. Dr.joeb appreciates that others are adding to the furor over the bogus election of Trump. Dr.joeb would have no problem had a decent GOP person like McCain or Romney had won their election. They are both honorable ethical GOP politicians. Trump is a totally different politician. He has no ideology other than greed, narcissism, and winning regardless of how it occurs. Truly, we have a psychopathic president. Our nation is in deep trouble until we can rid our White House of this new vermin. Psychopaths think nothing of sacrificing other's lives for their gain. We must be vigilant that Trump does not trump up a war like Hitler did to restore Germany after WWI. Hitler truly was attempting to restore Germany's lost greatness. Trump cannot make that claim, however. USA has never been anything but the greatest nation in the world. And one of the signs of its greatness is that it continues to become even greater with each passing year. Trump is more likely to devastate our nation's greatness than make it greater.

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TO123urout... Blehhhhck.... .. Are you sure you didn't mean Halls of Ignorance?

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JOE BLOW IS A TYPICAL LIBERAL COMPLETE WITH A INVERTED PENIS

It is supposed to be "an inverted penis"

How goes Trumpocalypse Survival Dr Joe?

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Conservatives have the facts on their side, which is why Liberals never want to debate them and do their best to shut them up. It's very revealing the way they go to great lengths to suppress conservative speech at universities. Universities should be where the best and brightest Liberals are to be found but even they cannot stand the intellectual challenge that conservatism poses for them. It is clearly a great threat to them. If what we say were ridiculous or wrong, they would grab every opportunity to let us know it
Conservatives does not hanker after the new; They hankers after the good. Leftists hanker after the untested
So an essential feature of Leftism is that they think they have the right to tell other people what to do.
Liberals are the disgruntled folk. They see things in the world that are not ideal and conclude therefore that they have the right to change those things by force. Conservative explanations of why things are not ideal -- and never can be -- fall on deaf ears.
So an essential feature of Liberalism is that they think they have the right to tell other people what to do. Fact

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